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Best way to do weights? 3 sets, lowering the weight each time, or upping the weight each time?

JEDI

Lifer
just wondering which is better?

i see upping the weight and lowing the reps counter to the norm, but i heard that it's better.

is that true?

Edit:

I can "bench press" my own body weight on the machine. I've never tried it with free weights though.

I do a set of 8 at my weight, then do a 2nd set of 8 with weight-10lbs.

This good?

(my goal is to try to maximize the effectiveness of my workout.)
 
do 3 sets, but keep the weight the same for all three, receive help when you run out of gas and continue to lift the last few w/ the help of a spotter.

note: i am not into weight training, but this is how i have always seen, and been told

MIKE
 
I usually do one kida light to warm up, then up the weight for the next 2, then on the fourth I do drops where I get someone to help, do the heaviest weight, then right away drop the weights down a bit and keep doing that till u can barley do any weight at all.
 
It also depends on your goal.

Cutting? Do less weight tons of reps & sets, keep the weight the same.

I'm a fan of doing a pyramid though. Start light, work your way up to heavy, then work your way back down to light. It's like 6 sets. But you also should adjust your reps.

15 - 12 - 8 - 6 - 8 - 12 - 15
 
I'm not a fan of pyramid sets. You end up doing too many sets and overworking your muscles. For tone, lose some weight (as in go on a diet). Otherwise just lift normal, 1 set of very light weight to warm up and 3 sets of your regular weight.
 
Originally posted by: Blieb
It also depends on your goal.

Cutting? Do less weight tons of reps & sets, keep the weight the same.

I'm a fan of doing a pyramid though. Start light, work your way up to heavy, then work your way back down to light. It's like 6 sets. But you also should adjust your reps.

15 - 12 - 8 - 6 - 8 - 12 - 15

How much or how many times you lift a weight will not make you "cut."

"Cut" depends on your body fat content. To have any effect on that, you must do cardio and/or diet. Weight lifting, unless you do one long set for 20 minutes or more, cannot keep your heart at the target heart rate long enough to burn fat.

The "lighter weights and high reps to 'cut'" myth MUST DIE. It's bullsh!t.

"Cut" happens in the kitchen and on the treadmill... not in the weight room.

Want to have maximum effect on muscle mass? (Of course, what else is the point in lifting weights?)

Do every set with maximum intensity and to complete muscle failure. How many reps you do is not as important as doing the reps until you cannot possibly do any more. A good rule for beginners is keep the reps between 8-12 and keep the weight the same between sets. If you can do more than 12 on your first set (not including warmup sets) before complete muscle failure, increase the weight.

Also, by by using maximum intensity, you can limit your heavy, non-warm-up sets to two instead of three. But you must remember to give each set 100% intensity.

As for size, that's determined in the kitchen as well. Eat big to get big, eat small to stay small. That's why body builders have cycles of "cutting" and "bulking" that they go through. You cannot gain any signifigant muscle mass and stay "cut" while you do. It's counter productive.

Finally, avoid the newbie curse: Over training. Work each muscle group only once a week. Growth happens in recovery, not in the gym. Screwing up that recovery time by lifting again too soon is counter productive.

A good schedule to follow:

Mon: Chest, shoulders and triceps
Tue: Off
Wed: Back and biceps
Thu: Off
Fri: Legs and calves
 
Amused ... perhaps if someone who didn't know what they were talking about said what I said, then your little self righteous bash would have been warranted.

I'm not going to post chemical formulas and all, but it's a FACT that muscle burns fat. More muscle = more fat burned. If I did a lot of sets, to failure, with proper form ... I would gain muscle (assuming I'm not eating just cabbage, which will be your next argument) .... thereby I would burn FAT.

I would assume that any good routine would involve a proper amount of cardio.

There's tons of factors and the OP didn't post his goal or current stats ... lest we give more accurate advice.
 
Originally posted by: Blieb
Amused ... perhaps if someone who didn't know what they were talking about said what I said, then your little self righteous bash would have been warranted.

I'm not going to post chemical formulas and all, but it's a FACT that muscle burns fat. More muscle = more fat burned. If I did a lot of sets, to failure, with proper form ... I would gain muscle (assuming I'm not eating just cabbage, which will be your next argument) .... thereby I would burn FAT.

I would assume that any good routine would involve a proper amount of cardio.

There's tons of factors and the OP didn't post his goal or current stats ... lest we give more accurate advice.

You're not building muscle by doing 7 sets with a crazy number of reps. Working out means you're breaking down the muscle. The only growth of your muscles occurs during rest, which means what you do in the kitchen and the amount of rest you get is the key to muscle growth. The food and nutrition you intake is just as important as the number of sets you do or the amount of weight you do. You're blind if you think doing lots of sets to failure means you're gaining muscle.

Burning fat = burning more calories than you intake in, not gaining muscle.
 
Originally posted by: Blieb
Amused ... perhaps if someone who didn't know what they were talking about said what I said, then your little self righteous bash would have been warranted.

I'm not going to post chemical formulas and all, but it's a FACT that muscle burns fat. More muscle = more fat burned. If I did a lot of sets, to failure, with proper form ... I would gain muscle (assuming I'm not eating just cabbage, which will be your next argument) .... thereby I would burn FAT.

I would assume that any good routine would involve a proper amount of cardio.

There's tons of factors and the OP didn't post his goal or current stats ... lest we give more accurate advice.

Muscle MASS burns fat, yes. Having more muscle mass burns more fat, yes. To gain more muscle mass, one must lift heavy with maximum intensity, minimum reps and sets. Light, high rep sets will NOT build any signifigant muscle mass after the first couple of months.

As ANY reputable trainer will tell you, lifting light weights for too many reps will NOT burn signifigant amounts of fat, and will not make one "cut." It just does not keep the heart rate up long enough. Nor does it build signifigant amounts of muscle mass either. In fact, it doesn't do anything to meet most people's goals long term.

If your goal is to gain muscle mass to burn fat, you should maximize your muscle growth. That requires the maximum intensity, minimum sets/reps I spoke of before.

Of course, a newbie can lift any old way he pleases and see some results in the first couple of months. But if your goals extend beyond that, one should learn how to maximize results.

Blieb, perhaps if I wasn't quite experienced with this I wouldn't have bashed you. But I know better.

Maybe you should read this from one of the most reputable exercise sites on the web:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightTraining/Myths.html

High Repetitions Burn More Fat Myth
Performing lighter weight with more repetitions (15-20 reps, 20-30 reps, or 20-50 reps) does not burn more fat or tone (simultaneous decrease of fat and increase muscle) better than a heaver weight with moderate repetitions (8-12 reps). Weight training utilizes carbohydrates after the initial ATP and CP stores have been exhausted after the first few seconds of intense muscular contraction. Typically a set's duration is 20 to 30 seconds. For the average fit person, it requires 20 to 30 minutes of continuous aerobic activity with large muscle groups (eg. Gluteus Maximus and Quadriceps) to burn even 50% fat; fat requires oxygen to burn. Performing a few extra repetitions on a weight training exercise is not significant enough to burn extra fat and may in effect burn less fat. If intensity is compromised, less fat may be burned when light weight is used with high repetitions. The burning sensation associated with high repetition training seems to be the primary deterrent for achieving higher intensities.

For individuals attempting to achieve fat loss for aesthetics, the intensity of weight training can be a double edge sword. When beginning an exercise program, muscle mass increases may out pace fat losses, resulting in a small initial weight gain. Significant fat loss requires a certain intensity, duration, and frequency that novice exercisers may not be able to achieve until they develop greater tolerance to exercise. If an exercise and nutrition program is not adequate for significant fat loss, a lighter weight with higher repetitions may be recommended to minimize any bulking effects, although less fat may be utilized hours later. If an aerobic exercise and nutrition program is sufficient enough to lose fat, a moderate repetition range with a progressively heavier weight will accelerate fat loss with a toning effect. If a muscle group ever out paces fat loss, the bulking effect is only temporary. For a toning effect, fat can be lost later when aerobic exercise can be significantly increased or the weight training exercise(s) for that particular muscle can be ceased altogether. The muscle will atrophy to a pre-exercise girth within months. Higher repetitions training may be later implemented and assessed.

It still may be recommended to perform high repetitions (20-30 or 20-50 reps) for abdominal and oblique training. With fat around the waist, moderate repetitions with a greater resistance can increase muscular girth under the subcutaneous fat. If fat is not lost, more muscle can push out the fat resulting in a bulkier appearance. The abdominal muscles are relatively small muscles. Performing high reps with a lighter resistance will not compromise metabolism or muscle increases as would performing high reps with light resistance on larger muscles. See Spot Reduction Myth above.

It is plausible that the high repetition myth was originated and later propagated by bodybuilders that used calorie restrictive diets to shed fat before a contest. Because of their weakened state from dieting, they were unable to use their usual heavier weights. When inquired about their use of lighter weights, they explained they were "cutting up" for a contest. This is merely a theory, but it is easy to see how it may have been misunderstood that the lighter weight was used to reduce fat instead of actually being a result of their dietary regime.
 
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
You're not building muscle by doing 7 sets with a crazy number of reps. Working out means you're breaking down the muscle. The only growth of your muscles occurs during rest, which means what you do in the kitchen and the amount of rest you get is the key to muscle growth. The food and nutrition you intake is just as important as the number of sets you do or the amount of weight you do. You're blind if you think doing lots of sets to failure means you're gaining muscle.

Burning fat = burning more calories than you intake in, not gaining muscle.

You're taking what I'm saying out of context. You need to suck down protein "in the kitchen."

I never said nutrition wasn't important.

EDIT:

All of this is moot until Jedi says goals and current level.
 
First off you wont lose body fat in the weight room. You need to do long cardio excercise to burn any decent amount of caliories. Personally i can burn about 100 calories on a fairly fast-paced, intense 10min run on the rowing machine. Id imagine doing lots of reps of total 1or 2 mins would be about 10-20cal.


I do one warm up set with really light weight, one set with maybe 10-20lbs off my taget and the rest maybe 2 or 3 sets on the target weight till i fail on each of em.

So for example seated barbel curls:

10@40lbs, 10@50lbs and then maybe 8@60, 5@60 and 4@60 or whatever i can do. This is where creatine come in handy. If i rent about a minute between each, some of my ATP gets recycled and i dont fail so soon
 
Originally posted by: Blieb
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
You're not building muscle by doing 7 sets with a crazy number of reps. Working out means you're breaking down the muscle. The only growth of your muscles occurs during rest, which means what you do in the kitchen and the amount of rest you get is the key to muscle growth. The food and nutrition you intake is just as important as the number of sets you do or the amount of weight you do. You're blind if you think doing lots of sets to failure means you're gaining muscle.

Burning fat = burning more calories than you intake in, not gaining muscle.

You're taking what I'm saying out of context. You need to suck down protein "in the kitchen."

I never said nutrition wasn't important.

EDIT:

All of this is moot until Jedi says goals and current level.

No matter what your goals and current level, lighter weights and higher reps are a waste of time for most healthy people. In fact, the only use for them is rehab and old people prone to injuries.

Size and fat content is determined in the kitchen (and treadmill). Not the weight room. No matter his goals, he should lift with maximum intensity if for nothing else, to save time and bordom. If he wants to stay small and cut, he should lift the same as I advised above, and restrict his diet + add lots of cardio. If he wants to gain size, he should lift the same, eat a sh!t load of food and minimize his cardio. If he wants to get bigger and cut he should bulk for 3-6 months then restrict his diet and up his cardio for three months and repeat... all the while lifting the same way: maximum intensity, minimum reps and sets.
 
If you go to heavy weight, you certainly should do a warm-up. so start with less weight, and increase to the MAXX

Calin
 
Originally posted by: Calin
If you go to heavy weight, you certainly should do a warm-up. so start with less weight, and increase to the MAXX

Calin

Agreed. Though, I usually consider this point a given when talking about sets.

A good warm-up set rule to follow is use the weight that lets you fail at 15-20 reps. Do them slower than usual sets and focus mainly on form. Warm-ups are a great way to practice good form.
 
3 sets is rookie sh*t.... one of the best tempo's i found for lifting is ... 10 (10 warmup reps) 8 (lift as much weight as you can for 8 reps), 6- 6 (2x 6reps with more weight) and 4 (as much weight as you can do to get 4 reps)

so, 10 (optional warmup) then 8-6-6-4... works a hell of a lot better than 3 reps of 10
 
I do either 3 sets of 10-8-6 reps with increasing weight, or 4 sets with 12-10-8-6 reps, with increasing weight, depending on if i'm going for peak strength or endurance.
 
Amused is like 99% right, so listen to him. (I left 1% error in just for the hell of it) 😀

To gain muscle mass, you MUST consume more calories than you burn.

To cut fat, you MUST consume less calories than you burn.

It's that simple. Ever see a bodybuilder in the winter? They look fat and bloated. The only need 6-8 weeks of cutting to get the ripped look (because they have 150-250lbs lean mass, which burns calories fast).

Low reps, high weight is the "weigh" to go 🙂

Also, do your larger muscle groups first. (Back, Quads, Chest) Then finish up the workout with smaller muscles (Triceps, Biceps, Calves, Shoulders)

You must do warmup sets (On the big muscle groups), which should not count towards your main set count. If you want to do 4 sets of 6-10 on your chest, you should do at least 2 warmup sets of 12-15 reps first to get the blood flowing and to prevent strains and pulled muscles. Your muscles need to be "warm" to gain muscle. So for Quads, Chest and Back, you should be doing 6 sets for the first or main exercise. (Bench press, Squats, Pull-ups or Lat-Pulldown)

I kinda jumped around a lot... but you get the idea.
 
Originally posted by: yobarman
3 sets is rookie sh*t.... one of the best tempo's i found for lifting is ... 10 (10 warmup reps) 8 (lift as much weight as you can for 8 reps), 6- 6 (2x 6reps with more weight) and 4 (as much weight as you can do to get 4 reps)

so, 10 (optional warmup) then 8-6-6-4... works a hell of a lot better than 3 reps of 10

Hardly "rookie sh!t", it just works your muscles in a different way. You can do far more weight in 3 sets than you can in 5. Depends on what you're going for in the exercise.
 
Originally posted by: yobarman
3 sets is rookie sh*t.... one of the best tempo's i found for lifting is ... 10 (10 warmup reps) 8 (lift as much weight as you can for 8 reps), 6- 6 (2x 6reps with more weight) and 4 (as much weight as you can do to get 4 reps)

so, 10 (optional warmup) then 8-6-6-4... works a hell of a lot better than 3 reps of 10

Bah, that's overkill. Better to do 2-3 heavy sets and move on to another exercise for the same body part. e.g., 2-3 heavy sets of flat bench then 2-3 heavy sets of flat dumbell bench... then move on to incline or vice-versa.

If you need more than 2-3 heavy sets of any exercise, you're not getting the maximum intensity needed the first time and/or you're just wasting time and energy best spent elsewhere.
 
I've generally lowered the weight because I lose strength after each set, but I think the best is to incorporate both, and over recent months - mirroring what I see most people doing - I've started to raise the weight, and keep the reps steady. To do this requires, obviously, not going to failure on the first sets except for the last set of an excercise.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I've generally lowered the weight because I lose strength after each set, but I think the best is to incorporate both, and over recent months - mirroring what I see most people doing - I've started to raise the weight, and keep the reps steady. To do this requires, obviously, not going to failure on the first sets except for the last set of an excercise.

Skoorb, I know you didn't ask, but here's my advice:

A heavy set that is not to complete and utter failure with maximum intensity is a wasted set.
 
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