Best way to approach my boss..

RbSX

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Hey guys,

I'm put in the pretty unenviable position of being compromised by my bosses ability to retain and acquire decent, well groomed and energetic staff and I am not really sure how to talk to him about it. I work for a valet company which is great, it fits within my schedule as a student and until recently, has paid quite well.

I'm a supervisor thats sent out to manage many of the people that work underneath me at various private events, because of the nature of private parties with everyone coming in at once, and everyone leaving at once, the volume of valets required far exceeds whats normally needed, and the tip outs suck for everyone involved.. as a result more and more people are refusing to work at these private events due to two things, the lack of tips, and the lack of hours (private parties in general are much shorter, and as a result wages are very little, even though I made $4 an hour more than the valets, it amounts to nothing because of how few hours worked) The end result is my boss usually complaining to me about how tough it is.

For the other valet company I used to work for, the solution was simple, the company charged a mandatory $30 dollar service fee per valet, as a result there was financial incentive for people to want to work.

The problem is he wins as many contracts as he does by undercutting his competition, my argument is, it doesn't matter how many contracts you win if you have unsatisfied staff and an incredibly high turnover rate that compromises your ability to offer satisfactory service. You also cannot staff a contract if you have no employees that will work for you.

While he has started to do that in very few cases, it's simply not enough, staff are leaving, I'm being sent incompetent people with very little common sense that are doing stupid things, which really bothers me.

Any suggestions how to approach this?

Cliffs:

-Read it or don't reply
 

OrByte

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first ask yourself this;

Are you secure enough in your position to discuss these matters without threat of losing your job?

and when I say position I mean wrt this issue...AND wrt your employment.

Dont put your neck out there if the answers are "no."

And if you wish to discuss company problems you better be ready to discuss your solutions too.

just my .02
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: Ns1
How do you currently charge for private events?

Right now my boss bills them based upon labour, charges an hourly service rate with markup.

The fact is a lot of the time we're hired to stand out in front of extremely high end houses, and other catered events as an eye piece, and infrequently get used because the owners can have us out there with very little personal expense.

We've been turned into eye candy.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: OrByte
first ask yourself this;

Are you secure enough in your position to discuss these matters without threat of losing your job?

and when I say position I mean wrt this issue...AND wrt your employment.

Dont put your neck out there if the answers are "no."

And if you wish to discuss company problems you better be ready to discuss your solutions too.

just my .02

I don't need the money, I don't care if I get canned for it, it's easy enough for me to find another job but I think any good boss needs to be able to accept constructive criticism.

The fact is the staffer quality has declined significantly over the last year, and there is very little retention. It would be much easier to keep people on if there was some financial incentive, otherwise people are better off being a busser.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: OrByte
first ask yourself this;

Are you secure enough in your position to discuss these matters without threat of losing your job?

and when I say position I mean wrt this issue...AND wrt your employment.

Dont put your neck out there if the answers are "no."

And if you wish to discuss company problems you better be ready to discuss your solutions too.

just my .02

I don't need the money, I don't care if I get canned for it, it's easy enough for me to find another job but I think any good boss needs to be able to accept constructive criticism.

The fact is the staffer quality has declined significantly over the last year, and there is very little retention. It would be much easier to keep people on if there was some financial incentive, otherwise people are better off being a busser.

What are they currently being paid?

I don't see why your boss doesn't do X amount just to bring your guys out, X amounts per car, and pay your valets a "special event rate". That's what the company I used to work for did.

And yes, I agree, working special events blows ass.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: OrByte
first ask yourself this;

Are you secure enough in your position to discuss these matters without threat of losing your job?

and when I say position I mean wrt this issue...AND wrt your employment.

Dont put your neck out there if the answers are "no."

And if you wish to discuss company problems you better be ready to discuss your solutions too.

just my .02

I don't need the money, I don't care if I get canned for it, it's easy enough for me to find another job but I think any good boss needs to be able to accept constructive criticism.

The fact is the staffer quality has declined significantly over the last year, and there is very little retention. It would be much easier to keep people on if there was some financial incentive, otherwise people are better off being a busser.

What are they currently being paid?

I don't see why your boss doesn't do X amount just to bring your guys out, X amounts per car, and pay your valets a "special event rate". That's what the company I used to work for did.

And yes, I agree, working special events blows ass.


I think he just wants to undercut everyone so he doesn't want to charge them on a volume basis, it would put him at too much of a disadvantage, but I'll propose that model to him.

I've been with the company for a year, and there are some that have been there for 5-10 years, but the new guys are just turning over too quickly and it's really bad.

I get paid $14 an hour, the other valets get $10 per hour, but that doesn't matter, the functions are often too unpredictable in length. I think that is a very good idea to propose that they charge a flat rate and you can't pay a valet for less than say.. 5 hours work even though the function only lasts 2 hours, it's incredibly time inefficient for someone to show up for just two hours.
 

theeedude

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How are you going to compete in this high tech economy if you don't attract top valet parking talent?
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: senseamp
How are you going to compete in this high tech economy if you don't attract top valet parking talent?

You're hilarious buddy, but I don't want idiots driving the Bentleys and Lambos we get on a regular basis.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: senseamp
How are you going to compete in this high tech economy if you don't attract top valet parking talent?

money is motivation, and in the valet world "motivation" leads to speed and efficiency.
 

theeedude

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So what's the big deal about just telling your boss that for the money he's paying it is going to be difficult to bring in sufficient workers to meet demand and maintain quality?
You just need to make sure he knows about reality of the labor market, let him decide what he wants to do.
 

CycloWizard

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If people want better service, they'll cough up the cash for the higher-end valet company. If your employees want better wages, they'll go work for one of those companies. It sounds like your boss is trying to fill a niche at the bottom of the valet market, and time will tell if there is enough of a niche there to maintain a business.
 

Descartes

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I would focus on specific instances of the "stupid things" these people are doing. Paying more isn't an automatic solution either, but at least he can understand the issue better and make an informed decision. If you're his eyes and ears, you need to use them to your mutual benefit.

At the very least, I'd come up with more than it's just bothering you. You need to quantify the issue and point out some candidate solutions. Leave it at that. Try to keep the ranting to a minimum when you're meeting with him; that can be hard when it's something that's really bugging you.

Cliffs:

1) Be cool, calm and collected
2) Communicate the key issues and offer examples
3) Communicate some solutions and how you think they'll ameliorate the issue
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: Descartes
I would focus on specific instances of the "stupid things" these people are doing. Paying more isn't an automatic solution either, but at least he can understand the issue better and make an informed decision. If you're his eyes and ears, you need to use them to your mutual benefit.

At the very least, I'd come up with more than it's just bothering you. You need to quantify the issue and point out some candidate solutions. Leave it at that. Try to keep the ranting to a minimum when you're meeting with him; that can be hard when it's something that's really bugging you.

Cliffs:

1) Be cool, calm and collected
2) Communicate the key issues and offer examples
3) Communicate some solutions and how you think they'll ameliorate the issue

Thanks for the advice, I have no intention of ranting, I think I've thought this out pretty well, and I hope that I can approach him and help him understand the relation between cause and effect here.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: Descartes
I would focus on specific instances of the "stupid things" these people are doing. Paying more isn't an automatic solution either, but at least he can understand the issue better and make an informed decision. If you're his eyes and ears, you need to use them to your mutual benefit.

At the very least, I'd come up with more than it's just bothering you. You need to quantify the issue and point out some candidate solutions. Leave it at that. Try to keep the ranting to a minimum when you're meeting with him; that can be hard when it's something that's really bugging you.

Cliffs:

1) Be cool, calm and collected
2) Communicate the key issues and offer examples
3) Communicate some solutions and how you think they'll ameliorate the issue

Exactly.

Also, considering that you stated above that you regularly park Lambos and Bentleys, you should emphasize how catastrophic one incident, such as a crash, involving these high priced vehicles would do to your company's reputation and/or finances.


 

JS80

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Is anyone else getting a kick out of the fact little rich boy is working as a valet?
 

chorb

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I understand the difficulty of the private events, where everyone shows up at once and leaves at once, causing the need for extra valets; (I worked as one). The company I worked for was pretty shady to its workers, they would have an abundance of valets show up to park the cars, then send the majority of them home after all the cars had been parked. They would be pissed, complain and threaten to quit, but never did anything about it. I was fortunate that I became buddies with one of the supervisors and was never cut from the shift and always brought home excellent tips.

Unfortunately, the valet business isn't where you're going to find a ample amount of talented, hardworking people; in fact most are quite the opposite. There were some hardworkers and they got compensated (in tips and good hours), but the rest were expendable and were easy to replace if they quit. This worked as a good business model as the company was doing pretty well.

In conclusion, I dont have an answer for you. good luck.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: JS80
Is anyone else getting a kick out of the fact little rich boy is working as a valet?

Hey bud, I'm workin, I pay my bills, I enjoy it.

Just because I am going to inherit a lot of money one day doesn't mean I can sit on my ass, I actually really enjoy my job.
 

RbSX

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Originally posted by: chorb
I understand the difficulty of the private events, where everyone shows up at once and leaves at once, causing the need for extra valets; (I worked as one). The company I worked for was pretty shady to its workers, they would have an abundance of valets show up to park the cars, then send the majority of them home after all the cars had been parked. They would be pissed, complain and threaten to quit, but never did anything about it. I was fortunate that I became buddies with one of the supervisors and was never cut from the shift and always brought home excellent tips.

Unfortunately, the valet business isn't where you're going to find a ample amount of talented, hardworking people; in fact most are quite the opposite. There were some hardworkers and they got compensated (in tips and good hours), but the rest were expendable and were easy to replace if they quit. This worked as a good business model as the company was doing pretty well.

In conclusion, I dont have an answer for you. good luck.

The fact is there are a lot of really good valets in the company that I work for, there are no shortage of hardworking people that have attempted to join the company and work hard for them.

The fact is my boss offers very little in terms of retention, I've been treated very well, offered good hours, and I can only think that we could have had a full rank of good people getting paid well if this company were better organized.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: JS80
Is anyone else getting a kick out of the fact little rich boy is working as a valet?

You are just about the biggest douche on these boards.