Originally posted by: Pariah
I'd much sooner listen to someone who didn't know what the huffyYUV codec (something which is not used much if any in the professional market) was before I would listen to someone who thought DV was an analog format.
That's lovely. You've gone and taken the least stupid thing
Slow Eddie said and compared it to the most stupid thing
yukichigai said, and you have concluded that
Slow Eddie is smarter simply because "I've never heard of HuffyUV" is more reasonable than saying "DV is analog." Nevermind the fact that
yukichigai accepted that he was wrong about that and actually demonstrated the ability to learn something.
Come on. Get a grip.
If you're going to be such an ass in an online forum, you're going to have to learn to argue better. I'll try and give you some tips.
Your argument here is called Poisoning the Well. It's a fallacy where you find one questionable thing that a person said and conclude that everything that person ever says is therefore wrong.
It's also incredibly ignorant to think that using a lossless codec renders the choice of capture device irrelevant.
I guess that would be ignorant. Did someone say that? I didn't.
Your argument here is called the Straw Man. It's a common fallacy where you misrepresent someone's position then attack your distortion of their position.
The capture device is certainly near the bottom of the list of important components in this particular case, though, and there's a good chance that a cheap capture card using a lossless codec will give better results than an expensive DV cam that simply can't avoid generational loss. Sure, if the capture card was really terrible it could screw things up.
A $50 TV tuner card is not going to capture the same quality movie as a $50,000 Media 100 system simply because it is using the same codec with the same settings.
Nobody claimed it would.
This is another Straw Man. You made up something else that nobody said and then pointed out that it was ridiculous.
The capture device is very important no matter what you are capturing and in what format.
Not really, unless you're talking about a complete POS capture card. If you're letting the computer do all the work, you don't need a card that does its own filtering or does hardware MPEG. You just need something that can get a clean capture. There are some really cheap cards that can do an excellent job when that's all you need.
Sure, an expensive capture device would be nice, but it is absolutely nowhere near as imporant as having a good source. In this case, the VCR is the weak link. A good SVHS deck with TBC will make a huge difference. Without upgrading the VCR, you don't just have noise to worry about. You actually have analog time-base problems that you're not going to be able to fix (well, some really expensive Canopus cards will try, but it's no substitute for having a good SVHS deck). Those rainbows and jitters are going to screw up your video a lot more than having a cheap capture card.
At least it looks like you're done with the personal attacks.
Like Eddie, I would also recommend using DV as opposed to any other format. It's extremely easy to work with and has the best balance of file size to quality (which is exceptional depending on the hardware). It is widely use in the professional world, which makes it more than good enough for a VHS capture for a home user. I wouldn't go the DV camera route though, I didn't get that one, try getting something like this:
canopus ADVC55
It can't really get any easier than using one of these. Plug the source into the device and and connect it to your PC through firewire (you will need a firewire port in your PC), and let the device do all the work for you. You'll end up with a high quality DV compatible stream which you can do what you please with.
He wants to make DVDs, and you're suggesting he capture DV then convert it to MPEG2. It's just not the ideal route to take. It looks like you want to pretend the guy who started this thread is a complete moron who is not capable of capturing video without a box that gives him DV. If he wants a simple solution, he should get a card that captures directly to MPEG2. It doesn't take a genius to understand that capturing to MPEG2 would be much more simple than capturing to DV then converting to MPEG2. At least your suggestion of the ADVC avoids having to stop the VCR to change tapes in the middle like you would have to if you were using a DV cam.
If you're most concerned about quality, you should avoid DV because it adds generational loss.
If you're most concerned about simplicity, you should avoid DV because it adds the extra step of converting the DV.
Regardless, my main point is that none of that is nearly as important as the VCR he uses, and the fact that you're totally ignoring my main point and attacking all the small details is pretty suspicious.
Have you ever tried capturing VHS tapes? Have you captured old VHS tapes? Have you seen the difference between capturing VHS tapes with a regular VCR and capturing VHS tapes with an SVHS deck with TBC? I've compared all of them. I've spent weeks on a single tape seeing what gave the best results.
I've actually used a good DV cam to capture old VHS material that was really bad. I used the DV cam because it was a really high-end Sony that did a very good job, and the tape I was capturing had so much noise that the Athlon XP 1600 I had at the time couldn't capture it without dropping frames. The results were great. They were great because a professional JVC deck was plugged into the DV cam. That's the important part.
And... umm... what exactly crawled up your ass and died that is causing you to troll every thread I post to lately?
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