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Best sports car under 30k?
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Summitdrinker
Golden Member
chrysler 300, not a sports car but what the heck it will do
AgaBoogaBoo
Lifer
S2000 with 9k RPM redline 😀
DaveCSparty
Senior member
I'm feeling a lot of hate for the 350Z! I really like the way it looks and it's pretty decent performance wise, it is such a blast to drive as well. I'm not a big convertible fan so the S2000 never really entered into the equation. There's not that many 350Z around where I'm from (typical blue collar Michigan suburb where all you see are Fords and Chevys) either, I always hated driving a car that you see every minutes like the Grand Am.
Zenmervolt
Elite member
I'm 23 damnit!
As for the list of cars and their weights, only the S2000 comes close to being a sportscar. And it's still at least 800 pounds overweight.
Sportscars:
MGs
Triumphs
Lotuses (Loti?)
Porsche 914's
The Miata is OK, though it's a bit of a porker too at 2,447 pounds, and way too luxurious.
Quick test for sportscars: Does the vehicle have power steering, air conditioning, electric windows/locks/mirrors/seats, a radio with more than two speakers, sound insulation? If the answer to any of these is "yes", then it may not be a sportscar. If the answer to more than two of them is "yes", then it's definitely not.
ZV
Evo. 🙂
I don't think anyone has really ragged on the 350Z, just the fact it is a bit heavy. I won't argue with that, because it is. Most of the flak came from the fact you thought (or think) that the G35 and 350z are different cars, when in reality, they're extremely similar.
I'm still going with my new GTO or used Z06 suggestion 🙂.
BTW, ZV, if you want a "modern-day" affordable "sports-car", then a ClubSport Miata is for you!
I'm still going with my new GTO or used Z06 suggestion 🙂.
BTW, ZV, if you want a "modern-day" affordable "sports-car", then a ClubSport Miata is for you!
DaveCSparty
Senior member
Now you're just not talking about normal people cars 😉
PeeluckyDuckee
Diamond Member
RSX?? I thought true sports cars are RWD only? If that's the case, hey, count my Prelude in there too. Not. Torque-less 2L inline4 engine and way too heavy at 3100lbs.
Zenmervolt
Elite member
Meh, with the views I hold and the way I typically type I can see that being a common mistake.
The Miata ClubSport is a nice little car, but I don't have space right now for a full-on sportscar in my life. The 944 is as close right now as I can justify since it's still liveable as a daily driver even with the track suspenstion and rollcage (has A/C, PW/PM/PS/PB, and a nice stereo). Want to make sure that it can be pressed into service as my daily if the Lincoln gets clobbered or something.
Would just _love_ to take a TR-4 and strip it down for Vintage Racing though. Or another 914. I really miss my old 'teener.
ZV
Summitdrinker
Golden Member
http://www.amarilloautos.com/autonews/030805_subaru.shtml
By John O'Dell(c) 2005, Los Angeles Times - Subaru, the Japanese automaker known for its all-wheel-drive vehicles, won the top spot for the highest quality brand among new cars in Consumer Reports' annual automotive issue.
The magazine's annual survey of product quality and performance, which hits newsstands Tuesday but has already gone to subscribers, ranks Japanese and South Korean automakers tops for quality. U.S. brands are second, but fall below the industry average, and Europeans rank a distant third.
Subaru jumped 16 places to become the most reliable automotive brand overall for 2004 models. It's the first time Subaru finished in the top spot in the 26 years Consumer Reports has conducted the survey.
Subaru owners reported eight problems per 100 cars and SUVs sold - an 8 percent problem rate. Honda was the second-highest-rated brand at 9 percent and Toyota took third at 10 percent. Lexus, last year's leader, fell to fourth with an 11 percent rate.
In another surprise, the magazine found South Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co.'s midsize Sonata Sedan to be the most reliable car in the United States last year, with just two problems reported for every 100 cars sold.
"That's quite dramatic, and shows that Hyundai has really made a big effort," said David Champion, Consumer Reports' auto testing director. "It used to be a joke to have Hyundai and reliability in the same sentence."
Last year's reliability champ was Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus GS sedan.
"With Subaru and Hyundai doing so well, we have two newcomers pushing the others to do even better," Champion said.
The magazine's quality ratings are based on surveys from 810,000 vehicle owners. Subscribers were asked to report problems in 17 areas, such as engine or bodywork troubles, for vehicles up to 8 years old.
As for the U.S. automakers, they keep drawing closer to their Asian rivals, but never quite catch up. The best U.S. brands - Ford, which ranked ninth, and Pontiac, 10th - had 15 problems per 100 vehicles for 2004 models, more than twice Subaru's rate. Audi was the best from Europe with a 12 percent problem rate.
The industry average for 2004 model vehicles was a 16 percent problem rate, compared with 17 percent a year earlier.
As a group, Asian brands averaged 12 problems per 100 vehicles, a score unchanged for three years. It wasn't all glory, though. Nissan Motor Co., hobbled by glitches with the Titan pickup, Armada SUV and Quest minivan built at its new Mississippi plant, fell well below the average with a 19 percent problem rate.
Several brands were not rated because of insufficient responses, the magazine said.
Domestic brands fell just below the industry mean, averaging 17 problems per 100 vehicles sold, an improvement from 18 last year. "They've been getting a little more reliable year after year," Champion said.
European passenger vehicle brands continued dragging the bottom with a 21 percent problem rate, slightly worse than the previous survey's 20 percent.
Of 160 models surveyed, the worst reliability scores, with 49 problems per 100 vehicles, were tallied by two behemoth vehicles: Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln Navigator SUV and the Nissan Quest minivan.
This is the second consecutive year U.S. brands outscored European makes. The European automakers, long plagued by problems with complex electrical systems, have been further hurt by quality problems with their SUVs, Champion said.
Volkswagen's Touareg, for instance, had one of the worst results in the survey, with 48 problems reported per 100 vehicles. Porsche's Cayenne, which shares the same vehicle platform, had 41 problems per 100. BMW's X5 and Mercedes-Benz's M-Class SUVs, the Mercedes E-Class sedan and Volkswagen's New Beetle also scored far below average in reliability.
In a separate satisfaction survey, Consumer Reports asked subscribers if they would buy the same car or truck again. The magazine said it received more than 250,000 responses.
In this category, the Toyota Prius gas-electric hybrid topped the list - a first for a hybrid - with 94 percent of owners saying they would repeat. Last year's leader, the Lexus LS430 sedan, dropped into second place with a 92 percent positive response.
Of 32 vehicles on the magazine's "most satisfying" list, 25 are Japanese models, six are European and only one, the Chevrolet Corvette, is a domestic model.
By John O'Dell(c) 2005, Los Angeles Times - Subaru, the Japanese automaker known for its all-wheel-drive vehicles, won the top spot for the highest quality brand among new cars in Consumer Reports' annual automotive issue.
The magazine's annual survey of product quality and performance, which hits newsstands Tuesday but has already gone to subscribers, ranks Japanese and South Korean automakers tops for quality. U.S. brands are second, but fall below the industry average, and Europeans rank a distant third.
Subaru jumped 16 places to become the most reliable automotive brand overall for 2004 models. It's the first time Subaru finished in the top spot in the 26 years Consumer Reports has conducted the survey.
Subaru owners reported eight problems per 100 cars and SUVs sold - an 8 percent problem rate. Honda was the second-highest-rated brand at 9 percent and Toyota took third at 10 percent. Lexus, last year's leader, fell to fourth with an 11 percent rate.
In another surprise, the magazine found South Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co.'s midsize Sonata Sedan to be the most reliable car in the United States last year, with just two problems reported for every 100 cars sold.
"That's quite dramatic, and shows that Hyundai has really made a big effort," said David Champion, Consumer Reports' auto testing director. "It used to be a joke to have Hyundai and reliability in the same sentence."
Last year's reliability champ was Toyota Motor Corp.'s Lexus GS sedan.
"With Subaru and Hyundai doing so well, we have two newcomers pushing the others to do even better," Champion said.
The magazine's quality ratings are based on surveys from 810,000 vehicle owners. Subscribers were asked to report problems in 17 areas, such as engine or bodywork troubles, for vehicles up to 8 years old.
As for the U.S. automakers, they keep drawing closer to their Asian rivals, but never quite catch up. The best U.S. brands - Ford, which ranked ninth, and Pontiac, 10th - had 15 problems per 100 vehicles for 2004 models, more than twice Subaru's rate. Audi was the best from Europe with a 12 percent problem rate.
The industry average for 2004 model vehicles was a 16 percent problem rate, compared with 17 percent a year earlier.
As a group, Asian brands averaged 12 problems per 100 vehicles, a score unchanged for three years. It wasn't all glory, though. Nissan Motor Co., hobbled by glitches with the Titan pickup, Armada SUV and Quest minivan built at its new Mississippi plant, fell well below the average with a 19 percent problem rate.
Several brands were not rated because of insufficient responses, the magazine said.
Domestic brands fell just below the industry mean, averaging 17 problems per 100 vehicles sold, an improvement from 18 last year. "They've been getting a little more reliable year after year," Champion said.
European passenger vehicle brands continued dragging the bottom with a 21 percent problem rate, slightly worse than the previous survey's 20 percent.
Of 160 models surveyed, the worst reliability scores, with 49 problems per 100 vehicles, were tallied by two behemoth vehicles: Ford Motor Co.'s Lincoln Navigator SUV and the Nissan Quest minivan.
This is the second consecutive year U.S. brands outscored European makes. The European automakers, long plagued by problems with complex electrical systems, have been further hurt by quality problems with their SUVs, Champion said.
Volkswagen's Touareg, for instance, had one of the worst results in the survey, with 48 problems reported per 100 vehicles. Porsche's Cayenne, which shares the same vehicle platform, had 41 problems per 100. BMW's X5 and Mercedes-Benz's M-Class SUVs, the Mercedes E-Class sedan and Volkswagen's New Beetle also scored far below average in reliability.
In a separate satisfaction survey, Consumer Reports asked subscribers if they would buy the same car or truck again. The magazine said it received more than 250,000 responses.
In this category, the Toyota Prius gas-electric hybrid topped the list - a first for a hybrid - with 94 percent of owners saying they would repeat. Last year's leader, the Lexus LS430 sedan, dropped into second place with a 92 percent positive response.
Of 32 vehicles on the magazine's "most satisfying" list, 25 are Japanese models, six are European and only one, the Chevrolet Corvette, is a domestic model.
Summitdrinker
Golden Member
thanks for the info/link
Summitdrinker
Golden Member
Lincoln are great cars, except for there big SUV
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