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xtreme2k

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We just have to pray that that little heatsink clip plastic notch on the socket doesnt break.
 
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formulav8

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Ever heard of the hsf falling off? Not me. That movie it about stupid. Noone in thier right mind would take off the hsf from the cpu. Except maybe Tom.
 
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Auric

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Tom... or an engineer. I am glad he brought it to our attention. As a consumer I now demand that feature to protect my expenditure of several hundred dollars on a CPU and mainboard from damage to overheating. It is one of those things that costs virtually nothing to implement so it is crazy not to.
 
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If the thermal diode "failed" on the Palomino, will it do that for every Palomino or just that certain one? More testing is required before you guys start your b!tching.

I for one don't plan on ever running my CPU without a heatsink, and if you're not a n00b, you really shouldn't run into that situation.
 
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<< Ever heard of the hsf falling off? Not me. That movie it about stupid. Noone in thier right mind would take off the hsf from the cpu. Except maybe Tom. >>


This experiment was both very interesting and worthwhile. I myself own an Athlon, but I think this test shows something about the design of the chips. Athlon CPU's run "on the edge," whereas P4's do not melt-down like Chernobyl when the cooling system breaks down. I find this a very impressive feature of the P4. Disregarding Tom's test shows your unwaivering bias. Oh, and Tom has been called an AMD zealot by many people, so I don't understand how anybody could now say he is showing Intel favor.
 
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Wingznut

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Granted, heatsinks don't "fall off" very often. However, cpu fans DO fail. I'd like to see the same test, but just with the cpu fan inop.
 
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xtreme2k

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I can see some guys in here are so AMD zealots that they defend any accusations towards them. Any programs that runs slow on the Athlon is biased towards Intel and unoptimised or deemed "not real world performance". Any compatibility issues of AMD based mobo has to do with some 3rd party equipments or softwares. Some of you guys are so full of it.

The fact is that the difference between a Heatsink drop off or a Fan failure is not going to be any different. AMD Tbird will still burn but just at a slower rate. AMD Palomino MIGHT stay alive but it is a hard call, as its temp increased to 290'c within a few seconds. I am guessing but it might still reach 150'c within a minute WITH the heatsink on.
 
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ST4RCUTTER

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Clearly the AMD chips/mobo's need some refinement of the thermal diode. I don't think people were or will (in the near term) buy AMD products based on their thermal safety measures. As long the CPU/HSF is installed properly, this is a non-issue. If your fan fails and your CPU gets fried...guess what, you're out $107. For the performance, I'll take that rist.
 
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<< The removal of the heat sink proves to be fatal. In less than a second Athlon 1400 dies the heat death. It doesn't take long and the core reaches a temperature of extremely hefty 370 degrees Celsius / 698 degrees Fahrenheit. If the user of the Athlon system doesn't turn off his box immediately, the motherboard will be destroyed too. There's even the risk of a fire. >>



ROTFLMAO....He said risk of fire :Q 698 DEGREES FAR.......WTF?
 
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Aihyah

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ok, makes me happy i don't run amd..comps on 24/7, don't need to worry about it burning down my house:)
 
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<< Ever heard of the hsf falling off? Not me. That movie it about stupid. Noone in thier right mind would take off the hsf from the cpu. Except maybe Tom. >>


This experiment was both very interesting and worthwhile. I myself own an Athlon, but I think this test shows something about the design of the chips. Athlon CPU's run "on the edge," whereas P4's do not melt-down like Chernobyl when the cooling system breaks down. I find this a very impressive feature of the P4. Disregarding Tom's test shows your unwaivering bias. Oh, and Tom has been called an AMD zealot by many people, so I don't understand how anybody could now say he is showing Intel favor. >>




Where did a say anything bias? I said he's stupid for running the cpu without the hsf. Everyone knows the athlons run hotter it doesn't take a rocket science to know that. Everyone also knew that the athlons doesn't have a diode. Didn't take a rocket science to know that one either.
 
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AGodspeed

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ok, makes me happy i don't run amd..comps on 24/7, don't need to worry about it burning down my house

Funny, I've left my Athlon system on for the last 5 weeks, and no problems. ;)
 
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CTho9305

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my question is... how did the p4 live? and still run? a pentium 60/66 was 11 watts typical, 15 max. It required a heatsink or it cooked (after a long time, but it did). IIRC, the p4 max is around 73 watts (anyone know for sure?). I fail to see how dropping to a half duty cycle can cut you down to under even 20 watts from there, unless you can also pull off a SIGNIFICANT voltage drop. anyone know how it works?
 
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CTho9305

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to clarify why i'm skeptical: I played with a box of mobos and AMD K5 PR133's. They are 10.6 watts typical, ~14 max. Take off the heatsink, and they got crashy. with a larger surface area than a P4, too (since they're pre-flip chip, big ceramic area)
 
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