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Best rapper alive ( hes white and not Eminem )

I don't get it.

I mean, I could pretty much always tell when something I did was horrible and uninteresting. Youtube seems to be proof that millions of other people can't do that.
 
Somehow I don't think "white" and "best rapper" ever come together.

Eminem was never the best rapper ever either. He only sold so many records because white rural/suburban kids looked at him as the long sought after connection to the hip hop world.

Youtube is blocked here so you can just file the above away as just another generalized sweeping comment.
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
Somehow I don't think "white" and "best rapper" ever come together.

Eminem was never the best rapper ever either. He only sold so many records because white rural/suburban kids looked at him as the long sought after connection to the hip hop world.

Youtube is blocked here so you can just file the above away as just another generalized sweeping comment.
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I dunno, I'd say he's one of the best, if not the best, lyricists.
 
loldoctor said:
I dunno, I'd say he's one of the best, if not the best, lyricists.
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I class lyricists something like..


A level: Canibus, Ras Kass, Killah Priest, Nas, Rakim, AZ, Common, Black Thought, GZA, Kool G Rap
A/B level: Inspectah Deck, Prodigy, Kurupt, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Big Pun, Del the Funky Homosapien, Pharohe Monche
B level: Jay-Z, Eminem, Royce Da 5'9, Biggie ( A level flow though ), Jay Electronica, Jeru the Damaja, Ghostface Killah, Redman, Masta Ace, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Scarface, Ice Cube, Raekwon
C level: Tupac ( A level influence though ), Snoop Dogg, Buckshot, Xzibit, O.C, Method Man
D level: 50 Cent
F level: Lil Wayne
 
SlitheryDee said:
I don't get it.

I mean, I could pretty much always tell when something I did was horrible and uninteresting. Youtube seems to be proof that millions of other people can't do that.
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So true. I think it's interesting how some people are overly critical of themselves, while others enjoy smelling their own farts and think they're amazing.
 
Woosta said:
I class lyricists something like..


A level: Canibus, Ras Kass, Killah Priest, Nas, Rakim, AZ, Common, Black Thought, GZA, Kool G Rap
A/B level: Inspectah Deck, Prodigy, Kurupt, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Big Pun, Del the Funky Homosapien, Pharohe Monche
B level: Jay-Z, Eminem, Royce Da 5'9, Biggie ( A level flow though ), Jay Electronica, Jeru the Damaja, Ghostface Killah, Redman, Masta Ace, Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Scarface, Ice Cube, Raekwon
C level: Tupac ( A level influence though ), Snoop Dogg, Buckshot, Xzibit, O.C, Method Man
D level: 50 Cent
F level: Lil Wayne
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lol @ canibus
 
gimmewhitecastles said:
Somehow I don't think "white" and "best rapper" ever come together.
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Funny, I have trouble with "best" and "rapper" appearing in the same sentence. That's like "best paper folder" or "best corn husker" or "best road bump driver-over'er".

Its not a terribly difficult skill. Its talking, to a rhythm, and occasionally rhyming even if you have to butcher words or make up words that don't exist. I'm vastly more impressed by good auctioneers, and road bump driver-over'ers.

However, good improv rapping (provided it is done without butchering or inventing words to make them fit or using them in nonsensical ways just because they rhyme) is impressive. I used to know someone who could take any spoken sentence and immediately repeat it backwards - fluently. That was impressive. But rehearsed/memorized/written rap? yawn...
 
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tcsenter said:
Funny, I have trouble with "best" and "rapper" appearing in the same sentence. That's like "best paper folder" or "best corn husker" or "best road bump driver-over'er".

Its not a terribly difficult skill. Its talking, to a rhythm, and occasionally rhyming even if you have to butcher words or make up words that don't exist. I'm vastly more impressed by good auctioneers, and road bump driver-over'ers.

However, improv rapping (provided it is done without butchering words to make them fit or using them in nonsensical ways just because they rhyme) is somewhat impressive. I used to know someone who could take any spoken sentence and immediately repeat it backwards - fluently. That was impressive. But rehearsed/written rap? yawn...
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Rapping well is terribly difficult. It's much more than just talking with some occasional rhyming words tossed in for good measure. the word play displayed in Chino XL's Messiah is mind blowing. Rapping can be the easiest shit in the world or the most difficult shit depending on who's doing it. I can't say what Lil Wayne does is hard because it's not. But Chino's on another level with his metaphors, similes & double entendre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olVPXpGohII link to Chino's song.
 
QueBert said:
Rapping well is terribly difficult. It's much more than just talking with some occasional rhyming words tossed in for good measure. the word play displayed in Chino XL's Messiah is mind blowing. Rapping can be the easiest shit in the world or the most difficult shit depending on who's doing it. I can't say what Lil Wayne does is hard because it's not. But Chino's on another level with his metaphors, similes & double entendre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olVPXpGohII link to Chino's song.
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Improv or memorized? If memorized, then give credit to the writer for good rap, but not the rapper. Its just repeating rehearsed/memorized lyrics with a sense of rhythm (no harmony, pitch, vocal ability, or knowledge of music required). Again, not difficult at all, except maybe for people with a speech impediment. But if someone can do that off the top of their head with no advanced preparation or memorization of written lyrics, that's impressive.
 
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tcsenter said:
Improv or memorized? If memorized, then give credit to the writer for good rap, but not the rapper. Its just repeating rehearsed/memorized lyrics with a sense of rhythm (no harmony, pitch, vocal ability, or knowledge of music required). Again, not difficult at all, except maybe for people with a speech impediment. But if someone can do that off the top of their head with no advanced preparation or memorization of written lyrics, that's impressive.
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Rapping on beat is difficult, I'll bet money you couldn't do it well, and most people can't. To sound good rapping requires good breath control, rhythm and an understanding of music. Tell a non musical person that the baseline will come in after the next bar. Who's going to know what that means? I would definitely say that's knowledge of music *shrug* Rapping well is ever bit as hard as singing well. I let people come in my little studio and see how easy it is to rap when they act like it doesn't require any talent. A few have took me up on the offer to prove me wrong and they sounded real bad. It seems simple but it's not.

For the record I think there are only about 25 people in the music industry who can rap well. I definitely can't stomach 99% of them, because the average person frankly sucks dick at it.
 
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QueBert said:
Rapping on beat is difficult, I'll bet money you couldn't do it well, and most people can't.
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lol! I played drums (and guitar) for several years so I know all about people who have no sense of timing or rhythm. I've taught such people to develop simple timing and rhythm in just a few hours (after they practiced on their own for several hours more).

And the learning curve is about 100 times harder than teaching them to rap. Sure, it would take many people a few dozen hours of practice, at the very most, but they most certainly could pick it up very quickly. Some might not have the "ghetto" sound to their voice, which could roughly translate into the subjectivity of having a good singing voice, but they could master all the objective skills in a very short amount of time.

Please stop suggesting its harder than it really is. The fact that a lot of people who have never attempted it nor may even listen to rap would not be able to master it on the first try is irrelevant.

Nobody rides a bicycle on the first try, either, and yet 99.9% of able-bodied persons could learn to do so competently with several hours of practice.
 
At that age there's a fine line between boldness, stupidity, and completely humiliating oneself.

Well, actually its more like two concentric circles with 99% overlap. 😛
 
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