Best (money no issue) self defense weapon for smaller man

[Kirby]

Browning Automatic Rifle

 

[epsilon]

The tone of your replies demonstrate an almost angry defense of your gun positions. This is exactly the type of sentiment that is virulent in our society. There is no reason to be nasty about this.

Admittedly, the first source I cited was flawed. Therefore I shall cite one with more scientific backup.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=home

Please let's keep this civil.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: epsilon
The tone of your replies demonstrate an almost angry defense of your gun positions. This is exactly the type of sentiment that is virulent in our society. There is no reason to be nasty about this.

Admittedly, the first source I cited was flawed. Therefore I shall cite one with more scientific backup.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=home

Please let's keep this civil.

Keeping it civil, has anyone read the book "freakanomics" by Stephen Dubner. He analyzes the statistics of children killed in the US by drowning in backyard pools compared to children killed by firearms in their own home. Obviously far less people own backyard pools, but the ratio of accident per pool is ungodly higher.

Not trying to prove anything, just a great book. He's writing another.

 

[Cattlegod]

a moat + draw bridge + castle wall + archers + hot oil = no one getting in.

oh yeah, add a trap door and some tigers in the trap door pit for good measure.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: epsilon
The tone of your replies demonstrate an almost angry defense of your gun positions. This is exactly the type of sentiment that is virulent in our society. There is no reason to be nasty about this.

Admittedly, the first source I cited was flawed. Therefore I shall cite one with more scientific backup.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/issues/?page=home

Please let's keep this civil.

The problem is, there is no backup to that stat. It only works on people who don't stop and think about it. It's a meaningless, purposely misleading stat meant to inflame the ignorant. Nothing more than a propaganda tool that is mindlessly parroted over and over again.

I'm not being nasty, I'm being honest. There is no nice way to describe such a worthless and flawed piece of garbage.

And the first source you sited was far from flawed. It exposed the myth for what it is. The only irony here is you used that source without reading it.

At any rate, over 2 million defensive gun uses per year utterly destroy that so-called stat. A legal gun in a responsible home is FAR more likely to save it's owners lives than take them.

 

[yh125d]

Rocket launcher.





or a slightly more practical option, a .357 magnum shortest barrel you can find. that'd scare off just about anybody

 

[BigJelly]

I got a FNP 40 cal. Comes with 3x14 round mags all for only $420 after taxes.
For protection you need three things:
1. Stopping power. Yes a 22 pistol can kill but it doesn't always drop people.
2. Reliability. Don't cheap out on the gun OR ammo. Also FFS clean the gun EVERY time you take it to the range.
3. Comfort/ease of use. I got lucky enough to have a NRA confention where I could get my hands on dozens of pistols and the FNP just felt the best for my hand/grip.

So check out .357 magnums, 40 cals, 45s, and shotguns. Personally, I don't like the length of a shotgun; size is a drawback. But never underestimate the fear that the sound of cocking a shotgun causes on an intruder.

Someone mentioned the PPK. My dad has it and was told it's one of the best personal defense guns money can buy. It would seem great for concealed carry (sadly WI is one of the two states that doesn't allow CC). Its small, reliable, and accurate; I was easily able to get 5" groupings (radius) from 75 feet (was only 16 years old so give me a break).

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Someone mentioned the PPK. My dad has it and was told it's one of the best personal defense guns money can buy. It would seem great for concealed carry (sadly WI is one of the two states that doesn't allow CC). Its small, reliable, and accurate; easily able to get 5" groupings (radius) from 75 feet.

Yep, the PPK and PPK/S are the best small carry weapons you can buy.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

I can belt out fake statistics too, but that doesn't get us anywhere. My wife was the police office for 15 years and saw the results of having a gun in the house every week. Here's some real statistics:
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/hidden.shtml

In fact a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than to kill an intruder in selfdefense.

 

[tasmanian]

50 cals at door entrances?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

I can belt out fake statistics too, but that doesn't get us anywhere. My wife was the police office for 15 years and saw the results of having a gun in the house every week. Here's some real statistics:
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/hidden.shtml

In fact a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than to kill an intruder in selfdefense.

Read a few posts above to find the absurd flaws in that mindlessly paroted stat.

Fake stats? HA! The "43 times more likely" is about as fake as one can get.

The Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, 'Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,' this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

Is the DOJ in the habit of putting out "fake stats?"

Please, before mindless paroting the "43 times more likely" crap again, read about the absurd flaws in the study AND remember that the vast majority of defensive gun uses result in no shots fired.

It is a fact that there are between 1.5 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year.

 

[cw42]

Originally posted by: everman
Peeeeeeps!

+ microwave

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
Best self defense? Intelligence: don't get yourself into situations that require you to use a secondary means of defense.

Stick with math.

Sometimes situations find you....

There are a lot of intelligent people that need to hire help to protect them.

Personally, however; smaller man or not...just learning how to fight goes a long way. Next learning how to use a knife goes a long way (close range a knife is a lot worse than a gun).

It really depends though if you are looking for home defence or personal defence. For home you can get crazy (although your neighbors may suffer in a firefight). For personal, it's usually better to have more bullets than less. Also for personal, it adds a whole new level to you just 'being around'. Nothing is more ackward than getting a hug from someone that finds out you are carrying. Permits <> emotions.

edit: for money no issue, hire professionals.

 

[HamSupLo]

I see the OP lives in LA, i do too. Which part do you live in? I don't have gun.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

I can belt out fake statistics too, but that doesn't get us anywhere. My wife was the police office for 15 years and saw the results of having a gun in the house every week. Here's some real statistics:
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/hidden.shtml

In fact a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than to kill an intruder in selfdefense.

Read a few posts above to find the absurd flaws in that mindlessly paroted stat.

Fake stats? HA! The "43 times more likely" is about as fake as one can get.

The Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, 'Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,' this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

Is the DOJ in the habit of putting out "fake stats?"

Please, before mindless paroting the "43 times more likely" crap again, read about the absurd flaws in the study AND remember that the vast majority of defensive gun uses result in no shots fired.

It is a fact that there are between 1.5 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year.

Link to your claim?

All I'm saying is if you have something in the house that's only use is to kill, the chances of an unintentional killing are going to skyrocket. I'm not going to be able to convince you and others otherwise, but that's a chance you're willing to take.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Sex Smurf
ninja stars and sword.

Any bad guy who sees you in the hallway in your ninja outfit will say "WTF!? this guy is a ninja!" and then bolt out the way he came in.

Actually they would say -

<unsychronized mouth movement>...."WTF!? this guy is a ninja!"

 

[K1052]

Personally I like military surplus Makarovs that have had some custom sights done. The Walther .380s (PPK/S) are good little guns but I never liked shooting them.

Next size up I'd say a SIG P239 in either 9mm or .40 S&W.

For home defense the P239 would work but I'd prefer to keep a shotgun on hand as well (they are cheap anyway).


Edit: For the record I am 5'5" and 140 lbs so I'm not the hugest guy around. I can handle the recoil from most anything but for pistols I prefer 9mm +P+ ammo. It kicks and has more muzzle flash but I can compensate pretty quickly and the ballistic/mag capacity advantage is a nice plus.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

I can belt out fake statistics too, but that doesn't get us anywhere. My wife was the police office for 15 years and saw the results of having a gun in the house every week. Here's some real statistics:
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/hidden.shtml

In fact a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than to kill an intruder in selfdefense.

Read a few posts above to find the absurd flaws in that mindlessly paroted stat.

Fake stats? HA! The "43 times more likely" is about as fake as one can get.

The Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, 'Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,' this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

Is the DOJ in the habit of putting out "fake stats?"

Please, before mindless paroting the "43 times more likely" crap again, read about the absurd flaws in the study AND remember that the vast majority of defensive gun uses result in no shots fired.

It is a fact that there are between 1.5 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year.

Link to your claim?

All I'm saying is if you have something in the house that's only use is to kill, the chances of an unintentional killing are going to skyrocket. I'm not going to be able to convince you and others otherwise, but that's a chance you're willing to take.

Read further up the page for the links. We had that discussion just a few posts above your last.

There are many things in my house that can kill me and my loved ones if misused. Responsibility goes a long way.

 

[0roo0roo]

money no object?
armed body guard obviously.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Where do you live that you feel you need a gun in the house to protect yourself?

My was was a cop, and we had two guns (duty and off duty weapon), but she had to have them locked up in a safe. She's never taken them out of the safe other than for work, and the off duty weapon gets used twice per year for qualifying.

You never hear of any home invasions or robberies being stopped by the victim having a gun, but you do hear about accidental shootings every week.

So, if you're worried about protection or security, get an alarm system and maybe learn some martial arts. Otherwise, move somewhere safer or get meds for your paranoia.

Sorry Fritzo, but you don't know what you're talking about. There are a ton of home invasions that are stopped by armed citizens. There are also a ton of home invasions that could have been stopped by armed citizens, which ended up in murder, rape, etc.

Just because your "something" (you left out a noun) never used her gun to protect herself doesn't mean no one else ever has. Applying one instance to everyone is beyond ignorant.

I can belt out fake statistics too, but that doesn't get us anywhere. My wife was the police office for 15 years and saw the results of having a gun in the house every week. Here's some real statistics:
http://consumerlawpage.com/article/hidden.shtml

In fact a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a family member or a friend than to kill an intruder in selfdefense.

Read a few posts above to find the absurd flaws in that mindlessly paroted stat.

Fake stats? HA! The "43 times more likely" is about as fake as one can get.

The Department of Justice sponsored a survey in 1994 titled, 'Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,' this survey estimated 1.5 million DGU's annually.

Is the DOJ in the habit of putting out "fake stats?"

Please, before mindless paroting the "43 times more likely" crap again, read about the absurd flaws in the study AND remember that the vast majority of defensive gun uses result in no shots fired.

It is a fact that there are between 1.5 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year.

Link to your claim?

All I'm saying is if you have something in the house that's only use is to kill, the chances of an unintentional killing are going to skyrocket. I'm not going to be able to convince you and others otherwise, but that's a chance you're willing to take.

Read further up the page for the links. We had that discussion just a few posts above your last.

There are many things in my house that can kill me and my loved ones if misused. Responsibility goes a long way.

With those statistics I (and my whole family) should be dead many times over.

 

[Fritzo]

All I'm saying is if you have something in the house that's only use is to kill, the chances of an unintentional killing are going to skyrocket. I'm not going to be able to convince you and others otherwise, but that's a chance you're willing to take.

Read further up the page for the links. We had that discussion just a few posts above your last.

There are many things in my house that can kill me and my loved ones if misused. Responsibility goes a long way.[/quote]

None of those other things has the sole purpose of killing. A knife can be used for preparing food, opening things, etc. A gun is only used to kill. That's what it's designed for. See the difference?

 

[miniMUNCH]

hand grenade and a really crazy face and yell to go with it.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
If I wanted a good self defense weapon, what brand/caliber etc would be best? Basically for home defense. A shotgun? Handgun?

if $ no object -> bodyguard, preferably a former Secret Service agent who guarded the President

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Manuwell
Swiss Army Knifes. Besides the self-defense purpose, you can do a lot of things with them.

Most are non-locking....you never want to fight with a non-locking folding blade.

 

[0roo0roo]

blackwater defense contractor