Best headphones in the $150-$300 range

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I had a pair of Sony HDR-1's that I somehow lost or had stolen so I'm in the market for a new pair. My goal is great sound in the listed price range and they should NOT be noise cancelling.

My taste in music runs the gamut and includes: rock/hard rock/metal, classical, jazz, blues and opera and I tend to prefer a clean natural sound with good frequency response that can play pretty loud. I have an external headphone amp (JDS Labs C5) so a headphone that needs one isn't a problem. I'm not one of those guys that needs ridicules levels of bass, but having the ability to play bass is still important to me.

I have a pretty decent home system with Paradigm Studios 100's etc but sometimes, later at night, you can't just blast them as the neighbors go apeshit when I do so on those occasions I use my headphones. My major use outside the home is on airplanes and sadly that's about 8 hours/week. I also use them in the hotel or at Starbucks etc and in these situations I tend to drive it with the C5 and use my smartphone to play high bit-rate music.

So, I'm headed to NYC tomorrow and plan to stop by B&H to pick up a new pair so any recommendations are appreciated. I can't say that the online sources are all that helpful and maybe it's a crap shoot asking hear but so be it...


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I'm a big fan of the clean natural sound and after trying many high end earphones, I quite fancy the Etymotic ER4P. They are known for their incredibly clean, detailed, and analytical sound that's exceptionally good at separating instruments into a holographic sonic space all around you. They don't exaggerate bass but extends it low so that it hits clean and punchy.
They also have the best noise isolation out of any solution on the market, including noise cancelling. This makes it amazing for the airplane.
 
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Brian Stirling

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I'm a big fan of the clean natural sound and after trying many high end earphones, I quite fancy the Etymotic ER4P. They are known for their incredibly clean, detailed, and analytical sound that's exceptionally good at separating instruments into a holographic sonic space all around you. They don't exaggerate bass but extends it low so that it hits clean and punchy.
They also have the best noise isolation out of any solution on the market, including noise cancelling. This makes it amazing for the airplane.

Thanks for the feedback, I am, however, not a fan of earbuds no matter how good. Much prefer over ear headphones...


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Here's a great place to start:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-full-size-sealed
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-ear-pad-sealed

There's been several great headphones that should fit what you're looking for released in just the last 6 months or so. Some push your budget (seems like several are $350-400 new, although Amazon prices are usually lower) though, but there should still be plenty to choose from. Frankly its almost difficult to buy bad headphones now, as long as you stay away from stuff like most of the Beats and other gimmicky brands (but even Skullcandy and some of them have made some ok headphones, like the Skullcandy Aviators are decent although generally outshined now). Even less audiophile brands like Philips have stepped up their headphones noticeably in the past couple of years.

If B&H has demo units or whatever then yeah try out as many as you can, if for nothing other than comfort/fit. Like the Sennheiser Momentum is at the size where it almost isn't circumaural.
 

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If you're looking to use them outside the home on airplanes, etc., and aren't looking for noise-cancelling, I'm thinking you want a closed type headphone, correct?

If so, I'd look at something like a Beyerdynamic DT770 if you're looking to grab them from B&H, or similar store. If you can wait and purchase online, then maybe something like the Mr. Speakers Mad Dog. For a closed headphone with a bit more bass emphasis, perhaps the Audio-Technica ATH-M50 (under $200, and sometimes near $100 on Amazon), or the V-Moda M-100.
 

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M50 isn't bad at the low end of your budget. Slightly boosted bass, a bit uneven treble (can sound harsh and dark at the same time), but overall pretty well controlled a neutral-ish for the price.

MrSpeaker's Mad Dog is a great introductory audiophile headphone at $300. You can also mod the T50RP yourself, but it can be a PITA and will take a lot of experimentation and time to narrow down the sound you want. At $300, this is what I recommend to people first. They're pretty neutral overall but are tuned towards a slightly dark, laid-back sound signature. This is also a good way to get into planar magnetic-based headphones.

If you go a bit over your budget, the new Focal Spirit Professional and Classic headphones are also excellent. Linear, smooth, controlled, mostly neutral response (the Pro being better for, you know, pros, with the Classic having a bit more of a relaxed sound). I've heard they're a bit small and not always over-the-ear for everyone, but I doubt they're any worse than the M50 when it comes to comfort.

The Logitech UE6000 and 9000 are also good choices (9000 should sound nearly identical, but it has wireless capabilities). I don't like how they sound with noise cancellation on...too much extra bass. But, in passive mode, they have a fun but smooth sound. Bass is a bit emphasized and treble is a bit shelved but still has plenty of detail (smoother than M50 but more laid-back). The UE6000 can be had for under $100, and it's damn good for the price. However, these are very sensitive to a good fit and seal, and the pads take a good 10 minutes to fully warm up and fit/seal well on your head.

Can't say I was a big fan of the Sennheiser Momentum. They looked and felt nice, but they occupied this weird space between being over-ear and on-ear. Not particularly comfortable and couldn't figure out how to put them on my head and ears for the best sound. I would describe these as confusing sounding headphones. Bass sometimes sounded bloated, sometimes lean. Mids sometimes seemed OK, sometimes like they were missing a chunk of information. Treble had something irritating about it and wasn't particularly natural sounding, but sometimes it was OK. It was a really mixed bag overall. However, I could have demoed a crappy pair...but Sennheiser is usually pretty good about quality control. I liked the HD429 better despite it being so cheap, though I have reason to suspect the Momentum uses the same or a similar driver.

If open-back headphones are an option, consider something like the Sennheiser HD598 or, if you can fit it in your budget, the HD600.

The Fidelio X1 is another option, semi-open, I believe. Looks like it has a fairly linear response with somewhat boosted bass (probably will sound a tad boomy due to the extra harmonic distortion in the low bass) and a bit of extra treble to bring out a sense of clarity and give less of a laid-back sound. Pretty good opinions on these overall from what I can tell, though they have a particular sound signature to be aware of.

Lots of options on the table, though it will be hard to say what will fit your tastes best. Feel free to PM me if you need other info or have any questions.
 

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MrSpeaker's Mad Dog is a great introductory audiophile headphone at $300. You can also mod the T50RP yourself, but it can be a PITA and will take a lot of experimentation and time to narrow down the sound you want. At $300, this is what I recommend to people first. They're pretty neutral overall but are tuned towards a slightly dark, laid-back sound signature. This is also a good way to get into planar magnetic-based headphones.

+1 to the Mad Dog suggestion. Planar magnetics take sound to the next level over typical 40-50mm driver units. The Mad Dogs also scale very well depending on your headphone amp. I currently just run them through my Yamaha receiver but I've been thinking of taking the plunge into a stand alone headphone amp (Schiit Asgard 2 maybe?).
 

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Well I tested out most of the display models from Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, Shure, AKG, etc, but I wound up getting the Sony MDR-1R. I brought my headphone amp and tested many units with a couple music selections to test the response across the spectrum and found most of the either fatiguing or unable to handle the bass. I played some Al Di Meola (Flight Over Rio) that has nice clean highs (cymbals) and the tested the very bass heavy opening to The Package from A Perfect Circle.

Almost all the headphone I tested failed my tests for the bass section and most just kind of buzzed they were so bad. Interestingly, although some say the Sony MDR-1R is light on bass it was the only one that held up playing that section and it did so very musically.

So, I guess you can't please everyone and my preferences may not be others, but I do like the MDR-1R's a bunch. They also didn't need any noticeable break in.


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Was B&H where you were able to demo that many sets of headphones? I had wanted to stop there on my last trip into NYC, but ran short of time.

Do they do any type of price matching there? Their website shows $298 for those, and today's price on Amazon has $232.95 and free shipping.

Sony does make a few good sets of cans. My first were MDR-V6's that are still going strong years later, and were under $100. Anyway, it's good that you were able to check that many choices out, and were able to find a pair that you're happy with.
 

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Each headphone has a different sound signature as well. Some people prefer one brand's sound over another. Some people want a completely neutral headphone so they can EQ it to their liking. Some people want a bass heavy set without muddying the rest of the soundstage.

The issues that come up with the Sony MDR-1R that I see around is the plug on the phones coming loose after a bit. The usual recommendation is not to unplug them all the time from there and it should be fine. Also the hinges may creek but I have no idea if these issues are resolved with current models or what. They win a ton of points for comfort though. They are probably the most comfortable headphones I've demoed.

Personally I like Sennheiser's sound signature in general. I find it very pleasing overall but I understand that different models will sound slightly different with the same source as well. I am also a fan of Sony's professional studio headphones like the MDR-7506 and 7520. They are much flatter and not as forward which puts some people off. Their intended usage is different from simply plugging into an ipod or receiver though so I understand that many people won't find them all that interesting to listen to. Your source is as important, if not more so to the quality of sound you receive as your actual headphones are.

The idea is you find something you enjoy listening to which may be very difficult. You are lucky you were able to demo so many options, most people don't have that opportunity so have to resort to trial and error.

Here's a great place to start:
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-full-size-sealed
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-ear-pad-sealed

There's been several great headphones that should fit what you're looking for released in just the last 6 months or so. Some push your budget (seems like several are $350-400 new, although Amazon prices are usually lower) though, but there should still be plenty to choose from. Frankly its almost difficult to buy bad headphones now, as long as you stay away from stuff like most of the Beats and other gimmicky brands (but even Skullcandy and some of them have made some ok headphones, like the Skullcandy Aviators are decent although generally outshined now). Even less audiophile brands like Philips have stepped up their headphones noticeably in the past couple of years.

If B&H has demo units or whatever then yeah try out as many as you can, if for nothing other than comfort/fit. Like the Sennheiser Momentum is at the size where it almost isn't circumaural.


There are now two models of Momentum. The one you refer to retails for around $199 which are advertised as "on ear" and they have a $299 version advertised as "over the ear". I did not know this until I went headphone shopping myself. I settled on the $200 momentums and for the usage I had in mind for them (travel) they are plenty comfortable for a few hours at a time. I could not fall asleep with them on though like I could with some of the curcumaural sets I have.
 
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Brian Stirling

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Was B&H where you were able to demo that many sets of headphones? I had wanted to stop there on my last trip into NYC, but ran short of time.

Do they do any type of price matching there? Their website shows $298 for those, and today's price on Amazon has $232.95 and free shipping.

Sony does make a few good sets of cans. My first were MDR-V6's that are still going strong years later, and were under $100. Anyway, it's good that you were able to check that many choices out, and were able to find a pair that you're happy with.

I paid $239.90 for them -- not sure where the $298 price came from...

Yes, they have about 4 racks of headphones for demo -- maybe 75 or more units total.

They're not much for haggling and there prices can be beat on the web but they are 100% trust worthy and that means more to me than a couple dollars...

If you've never been there it's almost worth the trip by itself. They do so much business in there store they have an automated product delivery system that moves the merchandise from storage to the counter and then to the bagging area -- you bring a ticket to the cashier to pay then had the ticket to the bagging guy and out you go.


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Each headphone has a different sound signature as well. Some people prefer one brand's sound over another. Some people want a completely neutral headphone so they can EQ it to their liking. Some people want a bass heavy set without muddying the rest of the soundstage.

The issues that come up with the Sony MDR-1R that I see around is the plug on the phones coming loose after a bit. The usual recommendation is not to unplug them all the time from there and it should be fine. Also the hinges may creek but I have no idea if these issues are resolved with current models or what. They win a ton of points for comfort though. They are probably the most comfortable headphones I've demoed.

Personally I like Sennheiser's sound signature in general. I find it very pleasing overall but I understand that different models will sound slightly different with the same source as well. I am also a fan of Sony's professional studio headphones like the MDR-7506 and 7520. They are much flatter and not as forward which puts some people off. Their intended usage is different from simply plugging into an ipod or receiver though so I understand that many people won't find them all that interesting to listen to. Your source is as important, if not more so to the quality of sound you receive as your actual headphones are.

The idea is you find something you enjoy listening to which may be very difficult. You are lucky you were able to demo so many options, most people don't have that opportunity so have to resort to trial and error.




There are now two models of Momentum. The one you refer to retails for around $199 which are advertised as "on ear" and they have a $299 version advertised as "over the ear". I did not know this until I went headphone shopping myself. I settled on the $200 momentums and for the usage I had in mind for them (travel) they are plenty comfortable for a few hours at a time. I could not fall asleep with them on though like I could with some of the curcumaural sets I have.


Yeah, audio is very much a personal thing and what I like is unlikely to be what someone else likes. I personally like a neutral clean sound and although I'm no bass head I do like the ability to handle bass for those times that demand it.

I'm not sure about the plug problem but then I mostly use an amp in between the source and headphones. I also have an EQ on my smartphone (Poweramp) so I can tailor the sound as I like. At present I have about 18GB of mostly 192kbps music files but with the next generation smartphone with more storage I may just go back a re-rip my music lossless....


Brian
 

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I paid $239.90 for them -- not sure where the $298 price came from...

Yes, they have about 4 racks of headphones for demo -- maybe 75 or more units total.

They're not much for haggling and there prices can be beat on the web but they are 100% trust worthy and that means more to me than a couple dollars...

If you've never been there it's almost worth the trip by itself. They do so much business in there store they have an automated product delivery system that moves the merchandise from storage to the counter and then to the bagging area -- you bring a ticket to the cashier to pay then had the ticket to the bagging guy and out you go.


Brian

Thanks for the info Brian. I'll definitely make a point of not missing the opportunity of stopping in at B&H during my next trip to the city. It's difficult enough to find a decent place to demo more than a handful of headphones, let alone around 75.

As long as their prices aren't an inordinate amount of money more than the web, I'll probably pick up my next set there. I just picked up a set of Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm headphones from Amazon a short while ago. That was primarily due to stumbling upon a link someone posted in a Head-Fi thread pointing out a price drop to $219. I'd been looking at those cans for some time, and that was too good of a price to pass up.

And tomorrow my Schiit Asgard 2 headphone amp should be delivered, and I can really test the new headphones out.
 

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Yeah, audio is very much a personal thing and what I like is unlikely to be what someone else likes. I personally like a neutral clean sound and although I'm no bass head I do like the ability to handle bass for those times that demand it.

I'm not sure about the plug problem but then I mostly use an amp in between the source and headphones. I also have an EQ on my smartphone (Poweramp) so I can tailor the sound as I like. At present I have about 18GB of mostly 192kbps music files but with the next generation smartphone with more storage I may just go back a re-rip my music lossless....


Brian

The plug problem I refer to is the plug on the headphones. The cable is detachable on the MDR-1R and I've heard that people who constantly unplug it and plug it back in can get the plug to be loose and rattle a bit over time. They might have fixed this but I couldn't say. Just something to be aware of. Sony is usually pretty good about warranty's so you can probably get them replaced easy if it happens.
 

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first determine what type of headphones you want - iem, full sized open back, full sized closed back, etc. That will narrow the field considerably.
 

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From a neutral/objective standpoint, the MDR-1R has a bloated mid-bass response, high harmonic distortion in the bass (gives the impression of more, boomier, less-clean bass), and a dip around 4-5KHz (Green line is frequency response, other lines are harmonic distortion based on the order of the harmonics, i.e. D2 = 2nd order harmonics).

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Measurements on Innerfidelity:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SonyMDR1R.pdf

With some simple mods (some strategically placed Dynamat or similar material to control resonance and add mass damping, fiberfill for internal cup damping, etc.), you can improve the performance to something like this:

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Much flatter response overall, but bass distortion, while better, is still high. A little bit of extra harmonic distortion in the sub-bass is usually tasteful, but these numbers are a bit high. The upper-mid/lower treble dip also isn't necessarily a bad thing. With the right balance, it will help a headphone sound more relaxed (a plus to my ears).

I encourage people to buy what sounds best to their ears, but you can get better technical performance for the price you paid. You can also do a lot worse, even from some well-known audio companies. (FWIW, I use a NOS DAC, and those don't measure particularly well...but I like the sound. I think it's important to follow our tastes but still understand the "science" and objectivity behind what we're hearing.)

You might not actually be a fan of a clean, neutral sound. ;)
 

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From a neutral/objective standpoint, the MDR-1R has a bloated mid-bass response, high harmonic distortion in the bass (gives the impression of more, boomier, less-clean bass), and a dip around 4-5KHz (Green line is frequency response, other lines are harmonic distortion based on the order of the harmonics, i.e. D2 = 2nd order harmonics).

index.php


Measurements on Innerfidelity:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SonyMDR1R.pdf

With some simple mods (some strategically placed Dynamat or similar material to control resonance and add mass damping, fiberfill for internal cup damping, etc.), you can improve the performance to something like this:

index.php


Much flatter response overall, but bass distortion, while better, is still high. A little bit of extra harmonic distortion in the sub-bass is usually tasteful, but these numbers are a bit high. The upper-mid/lower treble dip also isn't necessarily a bad thing. With the right balance, it will help a headphone sound more relaxed (a plus to my ears).

I encourage people to buy what sounds best to their ears, but you can get better technical performance for the price you paid. You can also do a lot worse, even from some well-known audio companies. (FWIW, I use a NOS DAC, and those don't measure particularly well...but I like the sound. I think it's important to follow our tastes but still understand the "science" and objectivity behind what we're hearing.)

You might not actually be a fan of a clean, neutral sound. ;)


There are not many headphones, in fact there are none, that have a flat response from 20-20K.

I listened to many headphones from many makers and found they were either harsh sounding or couldn't handle the bass. Playing the same piece most of the highly rated headphones literally buzzed as they struggled to handle the bass. Now, I'm not a bass head and don't have the need for that thump-thump-thump sound that got a kid shot a while back but there are sections of music I do listen to that are very heavy on bass and the MDR-1R handled that section better than the others.

So, I'm not sure what to make of your graphs ... if the MDR-1R is that bad and the other headphones I tested were worse then what gives...

But, how about you recommend a better headphone in this price range...


Brian
 

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I have never heard a headphone buzz unless it was a bad source distorting the music, playing too loud entirely, or a blown driver. Maybe what I think of buzz and what you are thinking are not the same.
 

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I have never heard a headphone buzz unless it was a bad source distorting the music, playing too loud entirely, or a blown driver. Maybe what I think of buzz and what you are thinking are not the same.

The piece of music I was playing, as I mentioned before, was the opening part of A Perfect Circle's "The Package" which is very heavy bass that goes very low in frequency. I adjusted to maintain a similar listening level for all headphones I tested and literally the only headphones that didn't buzz were the Sony MDR-1R's.

Yes, this would have been at a pretty high level as that section of music is at a high level and, again, the only headphones that handled it was the MDR-1R. The level was high enough I could feel, not just hear, the vibration of the very low lows -- somewhat like the "feeling" you get from very low LFE from a subwoofer.

Now it is possible that some of these display models have been overdriven to the point of damage, I know that one of them had a flakey cord that I had to wiggle to make work properly, but that was my experience.

And again, my portable media player, an HTC One smartphone, has an app (Poweramp) that has a 10-bank EQ and the output of that is into an external amp. So, if there is a deficiency at some point in the spectrum I can compensate with the EQ.

Now, given the limited time to make adjustments to the EQ for each headphone tested it's entirely possible that some of the headphones with really poor bass handling might have performed better if more time were taken to adjust to its performance capabilities but you really don't have that luxury when there's dozens of other people vying for access to the same headphones I'm testing.

In the end though I have to say I'm quite pleased with the MDR-1R's and I couldn't justify spending much more than I did.

The HD650, which is outside of my budget at $500, didn't sound any better to my ears and also handled the bass poorly. In addition, the open design has it's drawbacks when in a noisy place like an airplane and also spills out sound to others nearby.

I was similarly not impressed with the AKG-701 Quincy Jones model but then this one was hampered by that bad plug I mentioned.

The Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 Ohm was low output but that was OK since I have an amp to compensate, but it was about the worst at handling the bass I fed it. The 32 Ohm unit was better but still had bad buzzing with the bass.

So, while these units may test better than the MDR-1R on a spectrometer they didn't impress my ears at all...


Brian
 

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Also, some headphones will accentuate the flaws in a recording. It may sound bad, but I have noticed many times that is is the recording and not the phones.

As long as you dont have regrets then its a good purchase.
 
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Each headphone has a different sound signature as well. Some people prefer one brand's sound over another. Some people want a completely neutral headphone so they can EQ it to their liking. Some people want a bass heavy set without muddying the rest of the soundstage.

The issues that come up with the Sony MDR-1R that I see around is the plug on the phones coming loose after a bit. The usual recommendation is not to unplug them all the time from there and it should be fine. Also the hinges may creek but I have no idea if these issues are resolved with current models or what. They win a ton of points for comfort though. They are probably the most comfortable headphones I've demoed.

Personally I like Sennheiser's sound signature in general. I find it very pleasing overall but I understand that different models will sound slightly different with the same source as well. I am also a fan of Sony's professional studio headphones like the MDR-7506 and 7520. They are much flatter and not as forward which puts some people off. Their intended usage is different from simply plugging into an ipod or receiver though so I understand that many people won't find them all that interesting to listen to. Your source is as important, if not more so to the quality of sound you receive as your actual headphones are.

The idea is you find something you enjoy listening to which may be very difficult. You are lucky you were able to demo so many options, most people don't have that opportunity so have to resort to trial and error.




There are now two models of Momentum. The one you refer to retails for around $199 which are advertised as "on ear" and they have a $299 version advertised as "over the ear". I did not know this until I went headphone shopping myself. I settled on the $200 momentums and for the usage I had in mind for them (travel) they are plenty comfortable for a few hours at a time. I could not fall asleep with them on though like I could with some of the curcumaural sets I have.

No, the normal Momentums are known to be smallish so for some people they're more supraural than circumaural.

Also, some headphones will accentuate the flaws in a recording. It may sound bad, but I have noticed many times that is is the recording and not the phones.

As long as you dont have regrets then its a good purchase.

The buzzing to me sounds like distortion, probably from the EQ paired with high volume levels. Possibly the recording. The harshness though likely is just from the different sound signatures.

There's also this:
And those who listen to music loud may be off-put by a bit too much bloom in the bass, and a forward upper treble.

Which my guess the OP finds appealing. Not uncommon.

Listening to that A Perfect Circle song, my guess is that when he EQ'ed them that's pushing some to distort. The part he seems to be talking about actually sounds like a heavily boosted low bass guitar with some drum, which would be right in the sweet spot of the bass hump on the Sony's (that 60-300Hz region). I can't imagine other headphones that have that broad hump from like 30Hz up to 2kHz (like a lot of the modern Sennheisers have) distorting in that area unless it was in the signal. Now, him enjoying the sound they present is a different story, but I think I can see why he liked the Sony's.

OP do you listen to much music with female vocals? I have a hunch that bass hump with the little dip in the lower mids (where male vocals normally are) is what's working well for you. That coupled with probably decent power handling of the Sony's means you're getting the presentation you want at the level you listen to. That to me seems to really fit the rock sound from the past 10 years or so.

That's fine, I just wonder if you listened to all the headphones without EQ? That alone could make a big difference. Especially if you've gotten used to a certain sound (and also especially if you're used to music you listen to sounding a certain way), it takes a while for your ears to "refocus" so you're listening from a more neutral standpoint.

Try it with the Sony's even. Go for a whole day of listening without EQ, probably even try lower volume level too. Then go back to the settings you were using before, you might be surprised at what you find.
 

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No, the normal Momentums are known to be smallish so for some people they're more supraural than circumaural.

What do you mean no? Did you even read what I said? There are two models now. One is advertised as on ear NOT over the ear(that is sennheiser's wording from their website). This wasnt always the case as the original momentums were the on ear variety. I didn't know there were two different models until I went looking for some new headphones for myself. As I said, I couldn't fall asleep in the on ear ones I have like I can with some other sets I have that are fully circumaural (over the ear). They do have some strong pressure that can make you sore after extended listening. For my usage they are fine.

I'm not sure what you were getting at when you said "no".
 
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Yes, this would have been at a pretty high level as that section of music is at a high level and, again, the only headphones that handled it was the MDR-1R. The level was high enough I could feel, not just hear, the vibration of the very low lows -- somewhat like the "feeling" you get from very low LFE from a subwoofer.

This is what happens when headphones have high harmonic distortion in the bass (and if you think about what harmonic distortion is, it makes a lot of sense). It's a poor and often deceiving substitute for that feeling you get from an actual subwoofer. It technically isn't accurate, but, as I mentioned earlier, many find it tasteful. Knowing what you find tasteful from an objective/technical perspective is a good thing. Nothing wrong with liking what you like, so long as you know what it is you're actually liking (most of us don't really have a good grasp on what truly neutral/natural sound is, and we all have slightly different inherent tastes). I have purposely sought out audio gear that is poor by many objective standards but better suited my needs and tastes. (And there's enough consensus in MDR-1R measurements to assume the measurements for it are probably fairly accurate.)

I totally forgot the mention the NAD VISO HP50. At $300, they're getting some really good reviews and might have suited your tastes if you like the MDR-1R. I already mentioned a couple options that are technically better within your budget (Mad Dogs probably being the standout).

You are right, though, that not many headphones measure "flat," but there are some that come pretty darn close (HD600 or, on the darker side, HD650, Paradox modded T50RP, the new Focal Spirit Pro and Classic, etc.). Even then, by "flat," which compensation curve are you using? (Harman has been doing a lot of interesting research lately on what compensation curve and overall sound signature people prefer from headphones vs. speakers in a room.) You also have to understand what software and hardware setups are using for anyone doing headphone measurements. For example, "flat" or "neutral" headphones measured on Innerfidelity will actually often have a slightly downward slope to the overall frequency response (not always, but often). The measurements from that other audio forum are based on a different hardware setup and use different compensation curves. So, it's messy reading measurements, especially from different sites, but SOME valuable and accurate information can be understood.

The MDR-1R's frequency response itself isn't bad. The only real negative is the mid-bass hump, but it's not crazy enough to be a big deal. However, the harmonic distortion is quite high and disappointing for a headphone of that price. THAT is where I'm primarily "concerned," not with the frequency response. Still, you can literally find a headphone that performs similarly but with overall lower harmonic distortion and flatter bass for...$30 (Tascam TH-02, though the stock pads aren't great). And it gets noticeably better over its own stock performance with mods (MDR-1R responds less to damping mods, unfortunately).

As for the buzzing? I have no idea. Given the MDR-1R's performance, it's more likely it's masking something than revealing things as they actually are (I have heard "buzzing," often clipping, manifest itself on nicer headphones that poorer headphones could not resolve properly). But, that's not necessarily the case here. You also have to consider the condition of demo headphones, the source material you are using (music files and playback hardware...were you using good files and a good DAC with a dedicated amp?), volume settings, etc. A phone + portable amp really isn't a great setup for higher-end headphones. I'm also not sure if you were using EQ during your tests, but that can really mess stuff up. I don't find the HTC One to be particularly stellar for audio purposes. Are you sure you had the Beats EQ stuff turned off as well? Does your portable amp use USB or is it from the headphone out (if the latter, that's going to hinder your performance)? The headphone out on the HTC One is a bit harsh and grainy to my ears. Bass response isn't great. Decent enough for sensitive, basic headphones and very casual listening.

To comment on some headphones you tested:

HD650 - Requires a good DAC and a good amp and can be picky in this regard. NOT a good portable headphone. Requires a quiet environment for good performance due to being open. If you don't have that, don't bother. I don't recommend this as a general-purpose headphone...it really is best with good gear and a good environment. Without a good chain behind it, you can expect poor performance, especially with bass. Even then, the HD650 is tuned a bit dark and a bit sluggish with bass at times, from what I have read. Still, a fairly neutral, well-behaved, relaxed headphone if you feed it properly.

DT770 - No experience with any Beyer headphone, but these have an elevate bass response and harsh, elevated treble based on most measurements. I see these recommended less and less as time goes on. *shrug*

K701 - I tried the K702 anniversary edition...basically same headphone with minor improvements, namely in the bass. I did not like these...too much of an emphasis around 2KHz that killed my ears. Nothing really wrong other than that, but also nothing really great. They do really poorly at loud volumes (way too much additional harmonic distortion). Very picky with the DAC and amp chain.

EDIT: Did you end up getting the MK1 or MK2 of the MDR-1R? I've only seen one measurement for the MK2 (from a website that has some iffy results at times), but if you got the MK2, clearly you could be hearing something different that what these measurements indicate (I believe most are for the MK1).
 
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