Best crime deterrent - German Shepherd or pump-action shotgun?

[Rudee]

How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: suse920

Originally posted by: bradruth
The dog would be a better deterrent.


The shotgun would be a better incapacitator.

FTFW

i concur.

nothing like a vicious barking German Shepard to scare the ****** out of would-be burglars.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: Rudee
How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

As pointed out above, the shotgun is the incapacitator. The shotgun is a deterrent when someone is already in your house doing stuff, and you cock the shotgun so they can hear the sound.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: DVK916

If they are unarmed shooting them is attempted murder and you should go to jail, even if it is 1 am.

Please quit posting in this thread, you really have no clue what you're talking about.

Viper GTS

Why because I think it should be illegal to shoot unarmed people. It is NEVER ok to shoot an unarmed person, regardless iof they are breaking into your home.

Never is a word one should NEVER use when describing a situation like that.

Being a cop i thought you would understand the dangers of shooting an unarmed person.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: Rudee
How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

As pointed out above, the shotgun is the incapacitator. The shotgun is a deterrent when someone is already in your house doing stuff, and you cock the shotgun so they can hear the sound.

at that point, they've already broken into the house. you haven't deterred them from entering the home. i'd say it's more beneficial to deter them from even entering the home with a loud dog.

then, the only people you're going to have break in are those who are really out to get you. opportunistic burglars will probably just head to a house that doesn't have a barking dog, that will draw attention to them.

if an armed burglar hears the cocking of a shotgun, who's to say that he won't draw his weapon in fear? then you've got a terrified burglar with a gun, ready to defend himself. i'd want to avoid that entire situation if i could.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: Rudee
How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

As pointed out above, the shotgun is the incapacitator. The shotgun is a deterrent when someone is already in your house doing stuff, and you cock the shotgun so they can hear the sound.

at that point, they've already broken into the house. you haven't deterred them from entering the home. i'd say it's more beneficial to deter them from even entering the home with a loud dog.

then, the only people you're going to have break in are those who are really out to get you. opportunistic burglars will probably just head to a house that doesn't have a barking dog, that will draw attention to them.

Thats why I think both is the best idea. I never stated my opinion, I just started with the handgun vs. shotgun point.

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5

Originally posted by: Rudee
How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

As pointed out above, the shotgun is the incapacitator. The shotgun is a deterrent when someone is already in your house doing stuff, and you cock the shotgun so they can hear the sound.

at that point, they've already broken into the house. you haven't deterred them from entering the home. i'd say it's more beneficial to deter them from even entering the home with a loud dog.

then, the only people you're going to have break in are those who are really out to get you. opportunistic burglars will probably just head to a house that doesn't have a barking dog, that will draw attention to them.

if an armed burglar hears the cocking of a shotgun, who's to say that he won't draw his weapon in fear? then you've got a terrified burglar with a gun, ready to defend himself. i'd want to avoid that entire situation if i could.

Then you shouldn't be defending your home with a gun. If I know where the person is in my house, and I know they are not supposed to be there, I am going in, and shooting. Shoot first, ask questions later.

 

[ballmode]

dog

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5
Then you shouldn't be defending your home with a gun. If I know where the person is in my house, and I know they are not supposed to be there, I am going in, and shooting. Shoot first, ask questions later.

*cancels PowerMac's surprise birthday party*

:Q

 

[secretanchitman]

the dog.

i have a german shepherd myself and i'd do ANYTHING for him.

 

[jumpr]

Originally posted by: secretanchitman
the dog.

i have a german shepherd myself and i'd do ANYTHING for him.

When it comes to deterring crime, the real question is whether he'd do anything for YOU. 😉

 

[GoingUp]

Everyone knows what sound that is when they hear a shotgun cocked. Then again, a vicious german shepard is a hell of a deterrant too, but do you really want a vicious dog when you have regular company?

 

[God On Alcohol]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
1. You don't have to feed a shotgun.
2. No repeat offenders if properly used.

QFT

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: DVK916

If they are unarmed shooting them is attempted murder and you should go to jail, even if it is 1 am.

Please. If shooting them is what a reasonable person,in fear of their life, would have done, the chances are you'll get a pass.
It's when you chase them out and shoot them as they're fleeing that trouble waits.
Breaking into a house is considered a violent act.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: PowerMacG5
Then you shouldn't be defending your home with a gun. If I know where the person is in my house, and I know they are not supposed to be there, I am going in, and shooting. Shoot first, ask questions later.

*cancels PowerMac's surprise birthday party*

:Q

QFT :thumbsup:
R
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F
L !!!!

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: DVK916

If they are unarmed shooting them is attempted murder and you should go to jail, even if it is 1 am.

Please quit posting in this thread, you really have no clue what you're talking about.

Viper GTS

Why because I think it should be illegal to shoot unarmed people. It is NEVER ok to shoot an unarmed person, regardless iof they are breaking into your home.

Never is a word one should NEVER use when describing a situation like that.

Being a cop i thought you would understand the dangers of shooting an unarmed person.

And how is it that you know for 100% fact that they are unarmed?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: DVK916

If they are unarmed shooting them is attempted murder and you should go to jail, even if it is 1 am.

Please quit posting in this thread, you really have no clue what you're talking about.

Viper GTS

Why because I think it should be illegal to shoot unarmed people. It is NEVER ok to shoot an unarmed person, regardless iof they are breaking into your home.

Never is a word one should NEVER use when describing a situation like that.

Being a cop i thought you would understand the dangers of shooting an unarmed person.

And how is it that you know for 100% fact that they are unarmed?

If you don't see a gun always assume they are unarmed.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Both.

Dog for alarm function and first response, shotgun for the persistent idiots.

Viper GTS

Good point. Personally, I'd worry about having enough time to access and properly discharge the firearm. With the dog between me and an intruder, I wouldn't have to worry about that.

Yeah, dog+gun go really well together. The only problem is if you care about the dog, and it's in between you and the target...

Originally posted by: DVK916
Get the dog.

If you want a gun also don't get a shot gun, get a small 7mm caliber gun. 7mm is good enough for defense but not so dangerous as a shot gun.

au contraire, shotgun is THE best home defense weapon for someone who doesn't train a lot. Does massive damage (UNlike a 7mm, which is basically a BB gun), don't have to aim perfectly, the sound of it cocking (and, failing that, the sight of the thing) is enough to send most people running, and it won't go through walls and kill the neighbor's kid.

Originally posted by: DVK916
Why because I think it should be illegal to shoot unarmed people. It is NEVER ok to shoot an unarmed person, regardless iof they are breaking into your home.

Big strong man breaks into a small woman's house to rape her. He doesn't have a weapon, but is obviously much more powerful than her. She has a gun. You're saying she should set it down and let the man do what he wants, because "he's unarmed"?

So, this fantasy land you live in...does it have nice weather? What are the taxes like? I might want to move there...assuming you can keep out the rapists.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: DVK916
If you don't see a gun always assume they are unarmed.

That's a good way to wind up dead. I prefer to live.

Just don't break into my house, and you'll be alright. 😉

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Rudee
How is a shotgun a deterrent? Does the criminal have ESP and know you own a shotgun? That's the only way it's a deterrent.

The aspect of "Is this homeowner armed?' is the point of deterrence.
If te criminal has a reasonable expectation that Homeowners aren't armed, the incidence and severity of assualts escalates in these areas.
This is why disarming the civililians is always a bad idea. And why cops don't like people with guns.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
And why cops don't like people with guns.

After being present when officers recommended that a woman take firearm training and consider purchasing a firearm for home defense (repeated suspicious activity), I must disagree with your assumption.

 

[olds]

deterrent = dog

 

[HamburgerBoy]

German Shepherd.

 

[jlee]

We used to have a shepherd - we had a stranger stop at our house (asking if we were selling the mobile home that the house's previous owner left in the yard..heh), and he wouldn't get out of his car until we brought the (non-aggressive) shepherd inside.. 😛

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: SpunkyJones
A dog could prevent a breakin for the nieghborhood punks will know he's there. People find out you have a shotgun, they will break in when your not home to get that!

They steal pit bulls down here.