Thanks guys.You are all giving good advice,850e,845g,sis,via,are all good at the moment.850e is the way to go but memory...., Via p4x400 is very nice but stability after OC not sure ,845g is the one i like but no agp8x/ddr333 official support OC ok,sis is same as intel but not a long history reliability wise.I think i would buy 850e and p4x400 both.(agp8x.....)🙂thanks again guys.