PipBoy yep every other post in here is about a IBM HD failing. I still have no idea why people are buying IBM HDs. I guess they do not care about losing data. #1 for me is stability then #2 is speed. Plus those new IBM 120 gxp series HDs run very hot. The 80 gig IBM 120 gxp series HD which is only 2 platters runs at 48C in use. Thats way too hot for me. I know you should add cooling but i have a feeling it will not help a whole lot. But still thats way too hot for me no matter if it has cooling or not on it. Plus the dum IBM 120 gxp series HDs has a 333 hours per a month recommended by IBM. If you do not believe me just go look on the .pdf file on IBM's website for their IBM 120 gxp series HDs. BTW the WD1200 JB with 8 mb of cache is faster than the IBM 120 gxp series HDs. The WD1200JB with 8 mb of cache is the fastest IDE HD. But guess what in use the WD1200JB which is 3 platters and its 120 gigs only runs at 22 C in use. Thats a huge temp. difference from the IBM 120 gxp 80 gig which is even less platters with 2 and runs at a toasty 48C. There is no way i am trusting the IBM 120 gxp series HD no matter what. With that dum 333 hours per a month recommended by IBM and the 48 C temp it is just not worth it.
Well I got my liteon burner and think it's quality is something I can't complain about... I do a lot of burning per month, major cd burning and have had absolutely no problems.
Lite-On I think is the best bang for the buck, with awesome quality too...
Lite-On I think is the best bang for the buck, with awesome quality too...
Eug: here's that email from Plextor support. If you need the attached file he mentions, lmk and I'll email it to you.
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We've seen some motherboards that don't allow the drive to be detected properly. Please try updating your aspi layer by downloading and installing aspi32.exe from http://www.adaptec.com/support/files/upgrades.html Please ignore the warnings that Adaptec has there... the file is the correct one for your system. If that doesn't install, then run the attached file first.
If that all doesn't allow the firmware updater to find the drive, then please try the updater on the Plextor Europe website:
http://www.plextor.be/English/technical/download.html
Let us know how you make out here, and we appreciate you working with us as we delve into this issue.
Plextor Support Team - Jack
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We've seen some motherboards that don't allow the drive to be detected properly. Please try updating your aspi layer by downloading and installing aspi32.exe from http://www.adaptec.com/support/files/upgrades.html Please ignore the warnings that Adaptec has there... the file is the correct one for your system. If that doesn't install, then run the attached file first.
If that all doesn't allow the firmware updater to find the drive, then please try the updater on the Plextor Europe website:
http://www.plextor.be/English/technical/download.html
Let us know how you make out here, and we appreciate you working with us as we delve into this issue.
Plextor Support Team - Jack
<< Well I got my liteon burner and think it's quality is something I can't complain about... I do a lot of burning per month, major cd burning and have had absolutely no problems.
Lite-On I think is the best bang for the buck, with awesome quality too... >>
i agree 100%
How is it possible to mention the word best without having Yamaha alongside it? How does Yamaha stack up to the competition you ask? They aren't up to the pace with the other yet, so right now they only have a 24x model, but it's the fastest 24x in the class. Why?
1. P-CAV. The Partial-CAV technology is currently unique to Yamaha burners. And this is the sole reason why Yamaha owns the 24x class. P-CAV steadily increases speed starting from 16x and reaches the peak of 24x by the 14 minute mark. This gives Yamaha an average speed of ~23.6x, that compares to ~22.7x turned in by the Zone-CLV technology which every other 24x burner uses. P-CAV completely eliminate the zones, and it's easier on the motor because it doesn't have to spin down and up during a "zone change", not to mention P-CAV will not create any gaps like the Z-CLV does requiring the laser to stop during a "zone change".
2. CD-RW read speed. Yamaha can read CD-RW disks as fast as they read pressed and CD-R disks. What's so special about that? It is special because currently there are only two other burners capable of doing this, AOpen's 24x and Plextor's 40x. This is important to users who use CD-RW discs a lot.
3. SafeBurn. Currently the best anti-coaster protection system. To start things off, Yamaha has a huge 8MB buffer, twice as much as Plextor's and 4 times Lite-On's; coaster protection or not, it's still nice to have a big buffer. SafeBurn's ExactLink technology is also superior to the competition, it works like BurnProof, except it creates "virtually zero gaps" that are less than 1um, this is over 40 times as small a gap as 1st generation BurnProof creates.
4. AudioMaster. Yamaha's new audio recording mode which amplifies the pits and lands on the CD to decrease jitter. The obvious disadvantage is that you lose some time on the CD, a 74min CD can only use 63mins when AudioMaster is turned on. Audiophiles will love this feature.
5. Mt. Rainier. The first CD-RW ever to utilize this format, other companies have followed suit, but this feature will revolutionize the way CD rewrites are handled. Definitely a nice feature to have, as far as I know the only other burner with this feature enabled in the shipping units is the Plextor 40x. TEAC will also have it by a firmware update.
6. Purple/Ice Blue LED. Not much of an advantage here, but it's very pleasing visually.
So there you have it. If Yamaha comes out with a 40x CD-RW now, it will be a clear favorite. But right now your choice at the 40x level is pretty much limited to Plextor and Lite-On. On the 24x ground though, the Yamaha CRW3200E owns.
1. P-CAV. The Partial-CAV technology is currently unique to Yamaha burners. And this is the sole reason why Yamaha owns the 24x class. P-CAV steadily increases speed starting from 16x and reaches the peak of 24x by the 14 minute mark. This gives Yamaha an average speed of ~23.6x, that compares to ~22.7x turned in by the Zone-CLV technology which every other 24x burner uses. P-CAV completely eliminate the zones, and it's easier on the motor because it doesn't have to spin down and up during a "zone change", not to mention P-CAV will not create any gaps like the Z-CLV does requiring the laser to stop during a "zone change".
2. CD-RW read speed. Yamaha can read CD-RW disks as fast as they read pressed and CD-R disks. What's so special about that? It is special because currently there are only two other burners capable of doing this, AOpen's 24x and Plextor's 40x. This is important to users who use CD-RW discs a lot.
3. SafeBurn. Currently the best anti-coaster protection system. To start things off, Yamaha has a huge 8MB buffer, twice as much as Plextor's and 4 times Lite-On's; coaster protection or not, it's still nice to have a big buffer. SafeBurn's ExactLink technology is also superior to the competition, it works like BurnProof, except it creates "virtually zero gaps" that are less than 1um, this is over 40 times as small a gap as 1st generation BurnProof creates.
4. AudioMaster. Yamaha's new audio recording mode which amplifies the pits and lands on the CD to decrease jitter. The obvious disadvantage is that you lose some time on the CD, a 74min CD can only use 63mins when AudioMaster is turned on. Audiophiles will love this feature.
5. Mt. Rainier. The first CD-RW ever to utilize this format, other companies have followed suit, but this feature will revolutionize the way CD rewrites are handled. Definitely a nice feature to have, as far as I know the only other burner with this feature enabled in the shipping units is the Plextor 40x. TEAC will also have it by a firmware update.
6. Purple/Ice Blue LED. Not much of an advantage here, but it's very pleasing visually.
So there you have it. If Yamaha comes out with a 40x CD-RW now, it will be a clear favorite. But right now your choice at the 40x level is pretty much limited to Plextor and Lite-On. On the 24x ground though, the Yamaha CRW3200E owns.
I must say, I love my new Plextor 24/10/40a (except for the IDE interface, I used to have SCSI, huge difference).
I back up my music CD?s to carry around so my originals don?t get lost. The Plextor does DAE like nothing I?ve ever seen before, and it writes at full speed on both Acer 16X and unrated Prime Peripherals media.
Anyone who says Plextor is great for DAE is not lying.
I back up my music CD?s to carry around so my originals don?t get lost. The Plextor does DAE like nothing I?ve ever seen before, and it writes at full speed on both Acer 16X and unrated Prime Peripherals media.
Anyone who says Plextor is great for DAE is not lying.
Eug
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PipBoy, thanks.
LXi, I like Yamaha - they make a good product, although it's a bit more $. The 24X is fast, but in truth the extra few seconds is not a big deal, and 32X burners are available that are cheaper retail (albeit only a few seconds faster). It's no surprise that Yamaha named it the 3200. OTOH, Yamaha's media compatibility is not the most robust. Recent Teacs and Plextors at 24X supposedly write faster to cheap media. Worse though, it has somewhat more problems writing at 24X to some 24X media too. (Kinda moot for me though, since I buy high quality 24X media which would work on the Yamaha anyway.) The other features are good, except the AudioMaster jitter thingy that they're pushing is basically a useless feature, IMO. ie. A gimmick that will reel in the supposed "golden ears" who will convince themselves the audio quality be improved for their backed up discs, being played through their $100/m cables. (So far no blinded comparison has ever shown an audible sound difference due to either cables or jitter.) 8 (7.4?) MB is great amount to have for cache, but I think it's a bit overkill in a 24X burner. Plextor has it right with 4 (3.4?). My Teac is anemic with 2 (1.4) MB I think although I've not had any problems.
Yeah, if the Yamaha were a bit cheaper I'd wholeheartedly recommend it. The pricing makes one think twice though, although it'd still a reasonable buy.
LXi, I like Yamaha - they make a good product, although it's a bit more $. The 24X is fast, but in truth the extra few seconds is not a big deal, and 32X burners are available that are cheaper retail (albeit only a few seconds faster). It's no surprise that Yamaha named it the 3200. OTOH, Yamaha's media compatibility is not the most robust. Recent Teacs and Plextors at 24X supposedly write faster to cheap media. Worse though, it has somewhat more problems writing at 24X to some 24X media too. (Kinda moot for me though, since I buy high quality 24X media which would work on the Yamaha anyway.) The other features are good, except the AudioMaster jitter thingy that they're pushing is basically a useless feature, IMO. ie. A gimmick that will reel in the supposed "golden ears" who will convince themselves the audio quality be improved for their backed up discs, being played through their $100/m cables. (So far no blinded comparison has ever shown an audible sound difference due to either cables or jitter.) 8 (7.4?) MB is great amount to have for cache, but I think it's a bit overkill in a 24X burner. Plextor has it right with 4 (3.4?). My Teac is anemic with 2 (1.4) MB I think although I've not had any problems.
Yeah, if the Yamaha were a bit cheaper I'd wholeheartedly recommend it. The pricing makes one think twice though, although it'd still a reasonable buy.
I've used a lot of burners in my days.
A 2X Yamaha, 4X HP, 6X LG, 8X Plextor, and now a 12X Liteon. To be honest, they ALL served me extremely well and worked perfectly since the day I sold the first four. A lot of people constantly support Plextor in saying their quality control is the best etc., but if you stick with the 'larger' names, IE. Yamaha, HP, Ricoh, Plextor, LG, Liteon, TDK you won't be disappointed. I just don't think Plextor's or HP's price justifies their advantages over the other brands. My bet probably goes with Liteon or LG, as they are extremely cheap and I haven't burned a single coaster yet with my Liteon 12/10/32.
A 2X Yamaha, 4X HP, 6X LG, 8X Plextor, and now a 12X Liteon. To be honest, they ALL served me extremely well and worked perfectly since the day I sold the first four. A lot of people constantly support Plextor in saying their quality control is the best etc., but if you stick with the 'larger' names, IE. Yamaha, HP, Ricoh, Plextor, LG, Liteon, TDK you won't be disappointed. I just don't think Plextor's or HP's price justifies their advantages over the other brands. My bet probably goes with Liteon or LG, as they are extremely cheap and I haven't burned a single coaster yet with my Liteon 12/10/32.
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