Best Buy Leaks Windows 7 Upgrade Plans

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Nik
I have yet to see a negative comment about Windows 7. That just makes me more skeptical. However, considering most of the positive comments I've read have been on these forums, they actually carry some credibility in my book.

If it's less than $150 for a full version that doesn't have bullshit restrictions like Vista, I might actually buy it. Maybe.

There have been plenty of negative comments on it in multiple threads over in Operating Systems. Personally I haven't had any problems with Vista but I do think Windows 7 is superior. The difference in startup speed on my main machine at home is incredible compared to Vista.

 

[lupi]

Here's a question for those toying around with the beta. In general I'm happy with the current version of vista 64; with a small exception being backwards compatibility with some programs designed in the pre 32bit era. I had virtually no problems getting anything to run under xp and would hope they made some adjustments with the 64bit version letting it run more programs without a dual os install.

 

[Parasitic]

I actually like Vista...and now Windows 7 is coming. Hopefully TechNet will come out with a $99 student special again.

 

[roguerower]

Been using W7 since Mid-May and love it. I didn't mind Vista but was stuck with 32-bit. W7 does feel a bit snappier and the included drivers for everything is a nice touch. Haven't used the XP VM yet but time will tell. I also really like the menu bar now. Having all of my favorite programs right in front of me is really nice.

Hopefully my school gets it ASAP and I can install the RC as soon as it comes out and it's a part of my software package. I've had every new piece of MS software added to my package free since I started 4 years ago...XP, XP 64, Office 03, Office 04 (Mac), Office 07, Office 08 (Mac), Vista 64 Business. I got Vista Ultimate 32bit for $5 (had to pay for the disc).

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RedSquirrelIf it's idling and hovering at 70% cpu and using 90% of the ram, I call this barely run. What's the point of having an OS if you can't even startup other applications with it?

An OS should have a minimal footprint to give more room for the front end apps that are actually being used. Installing vista is like taking 2GB of ram out of your XP PC. Why bother?

yeap..your full of shit. no way is it idling at 70% cpu and useing 90% ram

Show me a single core 1-2Ghz machine that idles at 0% like xp with vista and i'll be very impressed. Has to be stocked, no liquid nitrogen cooling, no overclocking, just stock.

which bullshit story do you want to stick to? you changed it..

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: lupi
Here's a question for those toying around with the beta. In general I'm happy with the current version of vista 64; with a small exception being backwards compatibility with some programs designed in the pre 32bit era. I had virtually no problems getting anything to run under xp and would hope they made some adjustments with the 64bit version letting it run more programs without a dual os install.

I think but I could be wrong (and I'm sure someone here will let me know if I am :laugh🙂 that you might be able to run them under the Virtual XP in 7.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: rh71
can they make up their mind about naming conventions already?

lol yeah. They should just call it windows 2010 or at least some different name like they did with Vista.

I'm not even sure where the 7 comes from.

1: Win 3.1
2: Win95
3: Win98
4: WinME
5: Win2k
6: Winxp
7: Winvista
8: win 7?

I'm not even counting win 1.0 and windows bob, though was windows bob an actual OS or just an addon? Way before my time of using PCs. 😛 Win98 was my first PC OS. Though I had slightly touched 3.1 and 95 before on computers that did not belong to me. (ex: school, my sister's university pc that stayed at our house a few months etc)

If i recall correctly:

Windows 1
Windows 2
Windows 3
Windows 95/98/ME = 4 kernel
Windows NT/XP = 5 kernel
Windows Vista/2008 = 6 kernal
Windows 7

Close:

Windows NT 4 = 4 kernel
Windows 2000 = 5.0 kernel
Windows XP/2003 = 5.1 kernel
Windows Vista/2008 = 6 kernel
Windows 7

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: MrChad
Close:

Windows NT 4 = 4 kernel
Windows 2000 = 5.0 kernel
Windows XP/2003 = 5.1 kernel
Windows Vista/2008 = 6 kernel
Windows 7

So Windows 7 should be something like Windows 6.5 since it's a reworked Vista kernel.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RedSquirrelIf it's idling and hovering at 70% cpu and using 90% of the ram, I call this barely run. What's the point of having an OS if you can't even startup other applications with it?

An OS should have a minimal footprint to give more room for the front end apps that are actually being used. Installing vista is like taking 2GB of ram out of your XP PC. Why bother?

yeap..your full of shit. no way is it idling at 70% cpu and useing 90% ram

Show me a single core 1-2Ghz machine that idles at 0% like xp with vista and i'll be very impressed. Has to be stocked, no liquid nitrogen cooling, no overclocking, just stock.

which bullshit story do you want to stick to? you changed it..

RedSquirrel is a good guy until he gets started on his anti-MS, pro-OSS rants. He then become a religious evangelist. I don't even bother with OSS nutjobs any more.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Is Windows 7 really faster than Windows Vista, under any circumstance? I've got a P4 HT 3.0GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, and a Radeon X1950GT. Would it still be faster than Vista? I mean, if W7 just uses multiple cores better, then it won't really affect my system very much.

put the money towards a new comp man, $400 will probably get you a system that outperforms your current one. i had a p4 3.0/2gb/6800gt until a month ago and holy crap, that thing was holding me back

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Is Windows 7 really faster than Windows Vista, under any circumstance? I've got a P4 HT 3.0GHz, 2GB DDR RAM, and a Radeon X1950GT. Would it still be faster than Vista? I mean, if W7 just uses multiple cores better, then it won't really affect my system very much.

put the money towards a new comp man, $400 will probably get you a system that outperforms your current one. i had a p4 3.0/2gb/6800gt until a month ago and holy crap, that thing was holding me back

Wow, if that was holding you back, my system must be a dinosaur! And I still play Mass Effect and DoW2 on near-full settings so... meh 🙂

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RedSquirrelIf it's idling and hovering at 70% cpu and using 90% of the ram, I call this barely run. What's the point of having an OS if you can't even startup other applications with it?

An OS should have a minimal footprint to give more room for the front end apps that are actually being used. Installing vista is like taking 2GB of ram out of your XP PC. Why bother?

yeap..your full of shit. no way is it idling at 70% cpu and useing 90% ram

Show me a single core 1-2Ghz machine that idles at 0% like xp with vista and i'll be very impressed. Has to be stocked, no liquid nitrogen cooling, no overclocking, just stock.

Where are you going to find a single core 1-2ghz system today that is not an Atom?

My ultraportable 3.2lb laptop:
1.6GHz Core2duo
2GB ram
5%cpu used, 55% ram free with a programs open, not just idling. I have never seen 90% ram use ever.
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9978/51890026.jpg

Maybe if you've ever touched a computer running vista you'd know better :disgust:

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by: peritusONE

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Those who have zero issues with vista are the ones that have a above average PC such as a quad xeon with 12GB of ram and a raid 0 SSD setup. Sure Vista will run great on that, but XP would run even better. On a typical dual core machine with 1-2 GB of ram, Vista will barely run.

This was the problem with the public's perception of Vista, idiots like you who don't know what they are talking about. "Barely run"? Please.

Agreed. Vista runs fine on my MSI Wind. It can't be that much bad if it can run on a netbook without problem. Vista got a bad rep because idiots heard someone who heard someone else who spoke to someone's grandmother who had problems with Vista, and they automatically assume Vista is crap without ever using it themselves. The Windows Mojave thing may seem stupid, but it just shows that these Vista bashers have never even used the operating system.

With the said, Win 7 runs great on my Wind too and I can't wait until they sell netbooks with 7. XP is obsolete and netbook manufactures need to let it die.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, Win7 rocks. They must have fired the workers at Microsoft from the last 10 years and got a new set of talent in. Win 7, Bing, Xbox 360....everything they're doing is right lately.

i'd say xbox360 was right if it included more video codecs, and incorporated an internet broswer onto the console.

since it doesnt do that, it makes me sad panda.

and FWIW, i dont understand all the hatred for vista. it made so much right as compared to XP, that i couldnt move back.

moving to 7 is kinda an iffy thing for me. i havent tried it, given, but it seems it's not much different than vista.

i may give it a shot on my netbook.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, Win7 rocks. They must have fired the workers at Microsoft from the last 10 years and got a new set of talent in. Win 7, Bing, Xbox 360....everything they're doing is right lately.

i'd say xbox360 was right if it included more video codecs, and incorporated an internet broswer onto the console.

since it doesnt do that, it makes me sad panda.

and FWIW, i dont understand all the hatred for vista. it made so much right as compared to XP, that i couldnt move back.

moving to 7 is kinda an iffy thing for me. i havent tried it, given, but it seems it's not much different than vista.

i may give it a shot on my netbook.

This could be one reason

Or this could be it

Or mabe this

Then there was something about Vista not playing nice with NForce 2 boards when it first came out. Cannot find that article though as I running late and have to go.

 

[Barfo]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, Win7 rocks. They must have fired the workers at Microsoft from the last 10 years and got a new set of talent in. Win 7, Bing, Xbox 360....everything they're doing is right lately.

i'd say xbox360 was right if it included more video codecs, and incorporated an internet broswer onto the console.

since it doesnt do that, it makes me sad panda.

and FWIW, i dont understand all the hatred for vista. it made so much right as compared to XP, that i couldnt move back.

moving to 7 is kinda an iffy thing for me. i havent tried it, given, but it seems it's not much different than vista.

i may give it a shot on my netbook.

This could be one reason

Or this could be it

Or mabe this

Then there was something about Vista not playing nice with NForce 2 boards when it first came out. Cannot find that article though as I running late and have to go.

Right. Like it would be difficult to find issues with ANY OS and link them here :roll:
Vista got off to a bad start and never recovered from it, too many clowns still dissing it without having really tried it.

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: Barfo

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, Win7 rocks. They must have fired the workers at Microsoft from the last 10 years and got a new set of talent in. Win 7, Bing, Xbox 360....everything they're doing is right lately.

i'd say xbox360 was right if it included more video codecs, and incorporated an internet broswer onto the console.

since it doesnt do that, it makes me sad panda.

and FWIW, i dont understand all the hatred for vista. it made so much right as compared to XP, that i couldnt move back.

moving to 7 is kinda an iffy thing for me. i havent tried it, given, but it seems it's not much different than vista.

i may give it a shot on my netbook.

This could be one reason

Or this could be it

Or mabe this

Then there was something about Vista not playing nice with NForce 2 boards when it first came out. Cannot find that article though as I running late and have to go.

It would not be difficult to find issues with Vista and link them here :thumbsup:
Vista got off to a bad start and never recovered from it, too many clowns still dissing it without having really tried it.

Vista in the first year was Windows Me all over again. When you have major PC makers offering up XP again after they said they would it be available should clue you in. XP had it's problems but that was software and hardware driver support issues and companies not suppling them. Microsoft also pushed up the launch for 7 because of how bad people received Vista. I run Vista on my laptop and it is okay. A resource hog if you do not know what to shut down though. I prefer 7 though because it is much easier to navigate and takes less resources. Vista was crap when it came out and it took Microsoft too long to fix it. Is it better then it was? Yes it but it still no where near what it should be.

Any way you were presented with facts, it is up to you to accept them or not.

Oh BTW I fixed your post

 

[Crono]

Windows 7 feels like what Vista should have been at launch.
Running the beta build on my computer for a month, and it's been smooth without any problems.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Those who have zero issues with vista are the ones that have a above average PC such as a quad xeon with 12GB of ram and a raid 0 SSD setup. Sure Vista will run great on that, but XP would run even better. On a typical dual core machine with 1-2 GB of ram, Vista will barely run.

Uh, my sis has a laptop with a 1.46GHz Pentium (Merom-based) dual-core and 2GB DDR2 533 with Intel G35 IGP. It works bloody fine. The laptop was $400 when I bought it (December 2007?) for my sister. And no, it does not 'hover at 70% CPU usage' while idling. She even plays The Sims 2 (all gazillion expansion/Stuff packs) on it. It's not exactly fluid but playable.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: lupi
Here's a question for those toying around with the beta. In general I'm happy with the current version of vista 64; with a small exception being backwards compatibility with some programs designed in the pre 32bit era. I had virtually no problems getting anything to run under xp and would hope they made some adjustments with the 64bit version letting it run more programs without a dual os install.

I think but I could be wrong (and I'm sure someone here will let me know if I am :laugh🙂 that you might be able to run them under the Virtual XP in 7.

if that's true and you don't have to do that pseudo second OS load thing, I will be a happy camper.



hmmmmm, makin me consider d/l a beta coppy now.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: lupi
Here's a question for those toying around with the beta. In general I'm happy with the current version of vista 64; with a small exception being backwards compatibility with some programs designed in the pre 32bit era. I had virtually no problems getting anything to run under xp and would hope they made some adjustments with the 64bit version letting it run more programs without a dual os install.

I think but I could be wrong (and I'm sure someone here will let me know if I am :laugh🙂 that you might be able to run them under the Virtual XP in 7.

if that's true and you don't have to do that pseudo second OS load thing, I will be a happy camper.



hmmmmm, makin me consider d/l a beta coppy now.

It's sort of like using remote desktop to access a different computer. However, you can also have regular shortcuts on your win7 desktop that point to the application in virtual XP and all of the installed applications in virtual XP show up in a folder in your Win7 programs menu. If you start a virtual application it only shows the loaded application and not a big window with the application running in it. It does take like 20 seconds to start up though.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Yeah, Win7 rocks. They must have fired the workers at Microsoft from the last 10 years and got a new set of talent in. Win 7, Bing, Xbox 360....everything they're doing is right lately.

i'd say xbox360 was right if it included more video codecs, and incorporated an internet broswer onto the console.

since it doesnt do that, it makes me sad panda.

and FWIW, i dont understand all the hatred for vista. it made so much right as compared to XP, that i couldnt move back.

moving to 7 is kinda an iffy thing for me. i havent tried it, given, but it seems it's not much different than vista.

i may give it a shot on my netbook.

This could be one reason

Or this could be it

Or mabe this

Then there was something about Vista not playing nice with NForce 2 boards when it first came out. Cannot find that article though as I running late and have to go.

i bought vista 6 months after release, and paired it with a P35 board.

i had no issues on install, or since then with vista, aside from some minor incompatibility problems with certain games. i dont fault the OS for that.

it's enough for me that when vista runs into conflicts in copying files, it asks how i want to handle those conflicts. if i dont want to overwrite on conflicts, it doesnt completely error out, like in XP. for that reason alone, i prefer vista to xp.

i also like aero and a few other things on vista.


FWIW, i've had far less crashing on vista then XP.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: rockyct

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: tyler811

Originally posted by: lupi
Here's a question for those toying around with the beta. In general I'm happy with the current version of vista 64; with a small exception being backwards compatibility with some programs designed in the pre 32bit era. I had virtually no problems getting anything to run under xp and would hope they made some adjustments with the 64bit version letting it run more programs without a dual os install.

I think but I could be wrong (and I'm sure someone here will let me know if I am :laugh🙂 that you might be able to run them under the Virtual XP in 7.

if that's true and you don't have to do that pseudo second OS load thing, I will be a happy camper.



hmmmmm, makin me consider d/l a beta coppy now.

It's sort of like using remote desktop to access a different computer. However, you can also have regular shortcuts on your win7 desktop that point to the application in virtual XP and all of the installed applications in virtual XP show up in a folder in your Win7 programs menu. If you start a virtual application it only shows the loaded application and not a big window with the application running in it. It does take like 20 seconds to start up though.

when I started running into problems with a couple older games one of the few/only solutions I came upon was that virtual machine prgoram; if they've gone and made it a built in feature like this :thumbsup: and can't wait to play sw rebellion again.

 

[JessicaD]

KLin,

It's great that you are loving your Windows 7 RC experience! There are so many great new features and benefits that come with being a Windows 7 user. Also, for some great tips / tricks Microsoft does have a site with whitepapers, tutorials, walkthroughs and screen casts on all the ?under the hood? features in Win 7. Check out the Springboard site for Windows 7 on TechNet here http://tinyurl.com/832nco

Jessica
Microsoft Windows Client Team

 

[tyler811]

Originally posted by: JessicaD
KLin,

It's great that you are loving your Windows 7 RC experience! There are so many great new features and benefits that come with being a Windows 7 user. Also, for some great tips / tricks Microsoft does have a site with whitepapers, tutorials, walkthroughs and screen casts on all the ?under the hood? features in Win 7. Check out the Springboard site for Windows 7 on TechNet here http://tinyurl.com/832nco

Jessica
Microsoft Windows Client Team

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