OK.......Another consideration if I go 1.4's........I use a CAK38 and a Glaciator on my two AMD systems.......what are other good H/S Fan combos for a decent price or should I stay with one of the above......probably the CAK38 since it's the cheaper of the two!
I figured the Gaciator in the bid because I figured it was one of the best but..........
I figured the Gaciator in the bid because I figured it was one of the best but..........Actually heres a good one for non overclockers
http://inflowdirect.com/taiscgforhea1.html
as u can see it has 3 little ends at the end instead if the usual one.
http://inflowdirect.com/taiscgforhea1.html
as u can see it has 3 little ends at the end instead if the usual one.
Another highly recommended HSF is the SVC Golden Gate. All copper hsf's that are great performers. Hard to beat $24.99 for an all copper hsf w/ a delta fan.
You may wish to consider the Taisol heatsinks as theyre very quiet.
Ive used Fop32's, Thermaltake Volcanoe, and for the money i prefer the Taisol.
A room full of PC's running Fop32's makes me shudder at the thought of it. You want it to be nice and relatively quiet, yeah?
Super quiet Heatsink and fan for a 1.4gig TBird? I too would like to hear what people recommend, as if theres something quieter than the Taisol, i will want one.
Ive used Fop32's, Thermaltake Volcanoe, and for the money i prefer the Taisol.
A room full of PC's running Fop32's makes me shudder at the thought of it. You want it to be nice and relatively quiet, yeah?
Super quiet Heatsink and fan for a 1.4gig TBird? I too would like to hear what people recommend, as if theres something quieter than the Taisol, i will want one.
Got a link to that "Golden Gate"????? Must say I've never even heard of it! I like the one at Inflow too.......just trying to boost my margin a bit! LOL!
EDIT: OK....I've heard of the Taisol's but, as stated, I've been using CAK38's or Glaciator's of late on all my Home Builds and once you get used to something.......well, you know..... Hell, I ordered CAK38's by the case a while back and used them on S370's & SA's! Just sold the last two a few weeks ago! LOL!
Must say I've never even heard of it! I like the one at Inflow too.......just trying to boost my margin a bit! LOL! EDIT: OK....I've heard of the Taisol's but, as stated, I've been using CAK38's or Glaciator's of late on all my Home Builds and once you get used to something.......well, you know.....
Hell, I ordered CAK38's by the case a while back and used them on S370's & SA's! Just sold the last two a few weeks ago! LOL!Why not a MP? Well despite Palomino's enhancement's, a 1.2 doesn't perform as well as a T-bird @ 1.4 and as I said, 1.4 probably will be under $100 once A4's come out because AMD will be pusing the Palomino core. For Video, I'd say unless they need Dual Monitor's, I'd go with ATi's Expert 2000, it can be had at Newegg for $40 and has very good 2D performance and quality. Or, like somebody said a Matrox Video card traditionally has had the best 2D quality and Performance, but I don't think there's any that can be found as cheap as Expert 2000. For the fan, well I'd just buy a Retail 1.4GHz and use the HSF that comes with the CPU, that should be fine for a non-oced 1.4. Oh and about K7 Master, I used to think that it was the best 760 board for non-ocer's but I heard that there is a bug that makes the system freeze then refuse to boot, and then only way is that u have to resent the jumper for the fsb to 100 then back to 133 or something like that so I think it's a board to stay away from now. Anybody care to firm what I said 'bout K7 Master up?
Here's the thread on the golden gate:
Golden Gate $24.99 thread
Shipping from the company is always $4 no matter how much you buy.
The Golden Gate 40 is on sale right now and is usually $30 so buy a bunch and stock up
Golden Gate $24.99 thread
Shipping from the company is always $4 no matter how much you buy.
The Golden Gate 40 is on sale right now and is usually $30 so buy a bunch and stock up
LOL Athlon4all.......just spotted this at Inquirer!
- AMD to slash 1.2GHz MP Athlon prices
And more blood on carpet soon
By Mike Magee, 19/08/2001 10:48:25 BST
IT WILL DO THAT TOMORROW, according to Scottish reseller Amazon International, and that means that a 1.2GHz Athlon MP will cost £171 plus VAT and delivery.
Those price cuts are reported on AMD Zone as well.
According to Amazon I, the price cuts appear to affect other AMD processors too, but there's a great deal of confusion already about such prices.
Amazon International also tells the INQUIRER that it will be producing benchmarks on the dual 1.7GHz Xeon "Foster" on the Supermicro P4 DC6 and the Tyan 2603.
Come the end of the month, as reported here, Intel will launch a whole new set of Xeon "Foster" processors, and also roll out its 2GHz Pentium 4.
Hmmmm, interesting. Well still though, by the time October comes along AMD will be starting to phase out the Thunderbird core and thus the 1.4 will be very cheap (Cheaper probably than the Palomino based 1.2MP) and still so, it all depends on price, but the bottom line is that a 1.2 Paly loses to a 1.4 T-bird so u make the decision.
That's the problem (Right now though, remember he's gonna be building these not until September and by then People will be buying MSI's and Asus' 735 solution so the situation will stabilize as far as the stock avialable.
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yeah, but i'm planning to start building my system next week or so.
<< That's the problem (Right now though, remember he's gonna be building these not until September and by then People will be buying MSI's and Asus' 735 solution so the situation will stabilize as far as the stock avialable. >>
<< That's the problem (Right now though, remember he's gonna be building these not until September and by then People will be buying MSI's and Asus' 735 solution so the situation will stabilize as far as the stock avialable. >>
Hang On......! I was just cruising the boards and found several distressing Articles/Threads concerning the SIS735's! it seems a lot of people on AMDZone, Socket A, & Others are having trouble installing Win2K on the SIS 735 boards.........anyone here have any input on this? Don't need problems like this........all these systems will be running 2K! Hopefully it's just another "user" problem!
Hopefully it's just another "user" problem!Dunno. Yet u could always buy one board and try it out. it dont work send it back and go wiht AMD 761
just a thought, but a combo that is known to be quite stable in win2k is the very mature KT133 chipset...KT133A being essentially the same and having the performance of DDR ram.
i would also recommend ASUS motherboards. its the one thing you'll be sorry if you skimp on.
FYI im running an ASUS A7V (KT133) with win2k and it has been pretty smooth, except for in games i initially had a problem, which was fixed with the AMD win2k agp registry patch. (i have a geforce2)
I wouldn't go with MAGiK, there are better performing solutions out there (Unfortunately, the Asus A7M266 is very expensive, and A7V266 isn't out quite yet in the States).
Hold your horses!!!
By the cpu last man. By October there's no telling what the best deal's gonna be.MP 1.4? And don't the mps run cooler? No rush. Same with the video card, By that time you might get an le at expert prices.
By the cpu last man. By October there's no telling what the best deal's gonna be.MP 1.4? And don't the mps run cooler? No rush. Same with the video card, By that time you might get an le at expert prices.
If you're looking for the cheapest solution, go with a motherboard that has a VIA KT133 chipset and get a 1.4 GHz Athlon (wait until the Palominos arrive in September to get the 1.4 GHz Athlon). Despite VIA's rep, this chipset has matured well, and works just fine under Win2K (I run 2K with this chipset on an MSI motherboard).
Even though I can somewhat notice that my AMD 760 chipset is more stable than the KT133, it's nothing to get excited about. If you're looking for the cheapest solution (and one that is reasonably fast and reliable) a KT133 will fit the bill.
For a little more money, I would also look into the SiS 735 chipset, since I heard it's just as reliable as the AMD 760 chipsets but cheaper. The SiS 735 supports DDR memory, which makes it look even more attractive because you need these computers to last around 5 years. Therefore, look around for cheap motherboards with a SiS 735 chipset.
RAM prices are very low, DDR costs basically the same as PC-133 at Crucial. This fact makes it more tempting to get a DDR board. You will get a cheaper price with the VIA chipset, but it only supports PC-133 memory.
I haven?t heard of any problems with the SiS 735 under 2K. Where did you hear this?
Edit: I just found a review for the MSI K735 Pro Motherboard Review. Here's the link
Even though I can somewhat notice that my AMD 760 chipset is more stable than the KT133, it's nothing to get excited about. If you're looking for the cheapest solution (and one that is reasonably fast and reliable) a KT133 will fit the bill.
For a little more money, I would also look into the SiS 735 chipset, since I heard it's just as reliable as the AMD 760 chipsets but cheaper. The SiS 735 supports DDR memory, which makes it look even more attractive because you need these computers to last around 5 years. Therefore, look around for cheap motherboards with a SiS 735 chipset.
RAM prices are very low, DDR costs basically the same as PC-133 at Crucial. This fact makes it more tempting to get a DDR board. You will get a cheaper price with the VIA chipset, but it only supports PC-133 memory.
I haven?t heard of any problems with the SiS 735 under 2K. Where did you hear this?
Edit: I just found a review for the MSI K735 Pro Motherboard Review. Here's the link
Actually, after looking, there are a couple of threads regarding the SIS735 and 2K problems here on A/T under Motherboards.......
ToBeMe,
Well, after scanning the posts in GH and Motherboards, I can't seem to find anything that would point to the SIS735/W2K combo as the problem. Each case seems a little different. If you have any doubts though do this. Build one box with:
1.4 Athlon with stock HSF (quiet) $117
ECS K7S5A mobo $80
256 Meg DDR PC2100 $42
ATi Radeon VE 32MB DDR $82
Enlight Medium ATX EN-72370X3 $50
AOpen 52X CDROM $28
Maxtor DiamondPlus 40GB 7.2KRPM $115
Generic Floppy $7.00
Plextor PlexWriter 12x10x32 $133
Viewsonic E95 19 $259
-----------------------------------------
TOTAL: $913 +shipping
That's a pretty impressive system for $913. Plus the Athlon crushes the P4 in business applications due to its superscalar FPU and short pipeline. That won't change even if the P4 ramps to over 2Ghz. Once you build one box, bench it brutally for two to three weeks and see what makes it crash. Once you're comfortable with it, or not, make your move.
Well, after scanning the posts in GH and Motherboards, I can't seem to find anything that would point to the SIS735/W2K combo as the problem. Each case seems a little different. If you have any doubts though do this. Build one box with:
1.4 Athlon with stock HSF (quiet) $117
ECS K7S5A mobo $80
256 Meg DDR PC2100 $42
ATi Radeon VE 32MB DDR $82
Enlight Medium ATX EN-72370X3 $50
AOpen 52X CDROM $28
Maxtor DiamondPlus 40GB 7.2KRPM $115
Generic Floppy $7.00
Plextor PlexWriter 12x10x32 $133
Viewsonic E95 19 $259
-----------------------------------------
TOTAL: $913 +shipping
That's a pretty impressive system for $913. Plus the Athlon crushes the P4 in business applications due to its superscalar FPU and short pipeline. That won't change even if the P4 ramps to over 2Ghz. Once you build one box, bench it brutally for two to three weeks and see what makes it crash. Once you're comfortable with it, or not, make your move.
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