Best AMD chip for playing games

[bononos]

Hello. Been reading the forums a while but signed up because now I need some advice

I wanted to know which would be the best AMD CPU to buy for gaming. I was thinking between the AMD FX-8350 and the new one, the AMD A10-7850K. I assumed the A10 would be better because it's newer, supports faster ram, and it has Mantle (which seems to be good, you can run it as dual gpu with a dedicated I think?). But looking over on this site (link here) it makes it look like the older FX one is better, especially in benchmarks.

They seem about the same price. Advice please? ^_^

You're out of the loop. Haswell has already come out and made AMD cpu's even less desirable for your gaming pc.

 

[KaRLiToS]

FX 8320 + AMD R9 270x = (160$ + 200$)

 

[2is]

Let alone Haswell, or Broadwell in a few months, or Skylake sometime next year which will utterly demolish it. False economy buying an antique CPU on an obsolete socket.

I'm all for an Intel processor, but lets be fair. You can't compare unreleased processors to one that's been out for well over a year, much less two unreleased processors.

 

[Headfoot]

8350 is a waste of money. No reason to buy it instead of the 8320 unless its within $5, as it overclocks nearly identically. 7850k is way too expensive for what it does. Any quad core Intel is going to be better 90% of the time for gaming so I don't know why you've specified only AMD, for budget reasons or philosophical?

 

[monstercameron]

8350 is a waste of money. No reason to buy it instead of the 8320 unless its within $5, as it overclocks nearly identically. 7850k is way too expensive for what it does. Any quad core Intel is going to be better 90% of the time for gaming so I don't know why you've specified only AMD, for budget reasons or philosophical?

I know we all -including myself- like to blow things outa proportion but ffs atmost the a10-7850k is $20-30 over price -historically at least. This price however, does reflect the advances and features kaveri has, need I remind you:

a10-7850k as compared to 6800k
cpu perf single/multi - ~-7% / 10%
gpu perf ~20%
gpu compute perf upto 100% if not more [very scenerio dependent]
power ~20%

true audio dsp block
gcn based gpu with mantle support
better memory subsystem.
hsa support
opencl 2.0 support
huma & hq technology

source: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a10_7850k_apu_review,1.html

point being kaveri isn't just about gaming or computing.

 

[davie jambo]

Not so nonsense. The 8350 more often than not loses to the i5-2500K, let alone the i5-3570K.

What is the OP asking ? Don't see him asking what the best chip for playing games is

As for the amd vs intel nonsense. I have an i7 ivy and a 8350. Both are paired with 7970 cards , 8gb RAM and OS installed on SSD's. When gaming I can barley tell them apart. The i7 wins by being slightly quicker in games like Civ5. 3d games like fps , I honestly can't tell them apart

So yeah stop talking nonsense

 

[miaustin]

Thanks for all the help. I should have mentioned I was going to go with AMD due to budget constraints. I thought the dedicated GPU on the A10 was really good with Mantle but I think I took on their marketing talk a bit too much. Will go with the 8350 a dedicated GPU.

Thanks!

 

[SPBHM]

Thanks for all the help. I should have mentioned I was going to go with AMD due to budget constraints. I thought the dedicated GPU on the A10 was really good with Mantle but I think I took on their marketing talk a bit too much. Will go with the 8350 a dedicated GPU.

Thanks!

what is the graphics card and motherboard you intend to use?

 

[frozentundra123456]

Thanks for all the help. I should have mentioned I was going to go with AMD due to budget constraints. I thought the dedicated GPU on the A10 was really good with Mantle but I think I took on their marketing talk a bit too much. Will go with the 8350 a dedicated GPU.

Thanks!

A more productive post would have been to post a budget and ask for the best system build within that budget. It is a myth that there is a huge price gap between an i5 and the 8350. Looking at total system cost and total cost of operation the difference is not that great when considering a CPU will last for many years now, since CPU performance improvements have slowed dramatically.

I don't really understand asking for advice and then limiting the options.

 

[davie jambo]

A more productive post would have been to post a budget and ask for the best system build within that budget. It is a myth that there is a huge price gap between an i5 and the 8350. Looking at total system cost and total cost of operation the difference is not that great when considering a CPU will last for many years now, since CPU performance improvements have slowed dramatically.

I don't really understand asking for advice and then limiting the options.

He would still be best off going AMD on the CPU and any money saved going into the graphics card as that is the most important part for gaming

 

[SPBHM]

He would still be best off going AMD on the CPU and any money saved going into the graphics card as that is the most important part for gaming

just no,

8350 have the same price (if you buy at newegg) as the faster for gaming i5 4570
and the i5 have an advantage when it comes to cheap motherboards.

again, for the OP, post the entire PC specs you intend to build, not just the CPU, so we can help you to maximize it for gaming performance/$

 

[AtenRa]

FX6300 + OC to 4GHz + ASUS M5A97 R2.0 is the best combination for a low budget Gaming system.
You can spend a little more for a better cooler like the Xigmatek Gaia II and OC to 4.6GHz+.

 

[davie jambo]

just no,

8350 have the same price (if you buy at newegg) as the faster for gaming i5 4570
and the i5 have an advantage when it comes to cheap motherboards.

again, for the OP, post the entire PC specs you intend to build, not just the CPU, so we can help you to maximize it for gaming performance/$

Just yes

In the UK he would be best off buying the amd and spending the money saved on a better card. Again he's not asking what the best CPU is , he is asking what the best out of two amd cpus and that is the fx8350

cpu is irrelevant when it comes to gaming as long as you have a quad core made in the last three years amd or intel

 

[Maximilian]

8350 is a waste of money. No reason to buy it instead of the 8320 unless its within $5, as it overclocks nearly identically. 7850k is way too expensive for what it does. Any quad core Intel is going to be better 90% of the time for gaming so I don't know why you've specified only AMD, for budget reasons or philosophical?

This x1000

Why the 8350 gets so much mention is beyond me.

 

[AtenRa]

There are people that dont OC, i know it seams strange for AT users but that is a fact.

Just a friendly reminder

 

[SPBHM]

Just yes

In the UK he would be best off buying the amd and spending the money saved on a better card. Again he's not asking what the best CPU is , he is asking what the best out of two amd cpus and that is the fx8350

cpu is irrelevant when it comes to gaming as long as you have a quad core made in the last three years amd or intel

just no, can you expose the UK prices please? did he specify he is buying in the UK!?

did he specify the rest of the system? there are other areas with lower impact on gaming performance that he could use to save some money.

his reason for choosing between only AMD products is the erroneous notion that AMD always have better performance per $, this is Anandtech.com not amd.com,

CPU is not irrelevant, it may be under some conditions, but it's not for all games and conditions, some game rely heavily on CPU and benefit heavily from the higher IPC, typical with some RTS and MMOs

but even big single player games like AC (big and recent title), shows the intel $199 (newegg.com price) easily outperforming the $199 AMD CPU (newegg.com price)

now I'm not saying this game is representative of all games, not even close but I'm not making the same mistake as you are, just because in some games "CPU is irrelevant" doesn't mean it's always the case (the contrary is true), also the "quad core" thing is wrong, when Intel dual core haswell have 0 problem to clearly outperform AMD "quad cores" like the 7850K for gaming.

 

[AtenRa]

A low budget user will not opt for the Highest End GPU like 290X or GTX780Ti. The majority of gamers have way lower GPUs than those high-end and thus making the GPU to be the limiting factor in 1080p gaming most of the time.

Example, a Haswell Celeron G1820 is more than enough to get 98% of the performance of a Core i5/7 in ~95% of games when using a HD7790.

Shocking for 2014 but it is a fact.

 

[davie jambo]

I played AC4 on my 8350 and it was fine , higher frames that your wee thing up there also. I could post a picture of an AMD cpu beating an intel one in a game too (BF4 ? ) but I won't as I have actually used both of them and I said they are both fine. I will just repeat this for you - I can barley tell the difference when 3d gaming on either system. The i7 does win but not by much and not by £100

Why you trying to get him to buy an intel cpu ?

 

[SPBHM]

A low budget user will not opt for the Highest End GPU like 290X or GTX780Ti. The majority of gamers have way lower GPUs than those high-end and thus making the GPU to be the limiting factor in 1080p gaming most of the time.

Example, a Haswell Celeron G1820 is more than enough to get 98% of the performance of a Core i5/7 in ~95% of games when using a HD7790.

Shocking for 2014 but it is a fact.

sure, but settings are not fixed, games are not all the same... same price (newegg), one is always the same or faster for gaming (4570 vs 8350), what is the difficulty here? pretty easy choice.

Why you trying to get him to buy an intel cpu ?

that's the thing, I don't, I'm just presenting something it's not wise to ignore.


buying an 8350 for the same price as a 4570 for gaming makes no sense at all.

you mentioned BF4, let's see

again, $199 Intel beating $199 AMD, in a game which is more or less best case scenario for AMD... now try some dual thread MMO raids.


oh, if CPU performance is irrelevant, why Mantle and DX12 are focusing on that?

if you want to justify AMD CPUs for gaming you need to look at the cheaper stuff, not the 8350.

 

[davie jambo]

Let me tell you a wee story. There was a man from Scotland that had an 8350 and a 7970 combo. He was very happy with this and it ran all games at the highest settings or close to the highest settings at 60 fps.

But he kept reading on the internet how AMD were junk and his CPU was no good. So at about this time a year ago he got a big bonus from work and decided to spend it on a shinny new i7 CPU and motherboard. This was very expensive but you know it would make games run faster so it was worth it

Imagine this man from Scotland's horror when not only did it feel not as good as his 8350 but the frame rates in games were more or less the same !

 

[SPBHM]

Let me tell you a wee story. There was a man from Scotland that had an 8350 and a 7970 combo. He was very happy with this and it ran all games at the highest settings or close to the highest settings at 60 fps.

But he kept reading on the internet how AMD were junk and his CPU was no good. So at about this time a year ago he got a big bonus from work and decided to spend it on a shinny new i7 CPU and motherboard. This was very expensive but you know it would make games run faster so it was worth it

Imagine this man from Scotland's horror when not only did it feel not as good as his 8350 but the frame rates in games were more or less the same !

that's bizarre, you already owned the 8350 and you couldn't tell if it was "junk" or not? you would have clear indications if it was not adequate for your use, like framerate drops with lower GPU usage.

but it's all irrelevant for one reason, the 4570 is the exact same price, it will be the same for your games (if the i7 is the same), and faster for CPU bound games... easy choice,

 

[davie jambo]

that's bizarre, you already owned the 8350 and you couldn't tell if it was "junk" or not? you would have clear indications if it was not adequate for your use, like framerate drops with lower GPU usage.

but it's all irrelevant for one reason, the 4570 is the exact same price, it will be the same for your games (if the i7 is the same), and faster for CPU bound games... easy choice,

I thought it was fine but these folk on the internet (LIKE YOU) says it's not so good.

For pricing , you can buy a 8320 here for about £100. An i5 haswell about £160. That is a £60 difference or $100 of your American dollars

 

[Maximilian]

There are people that dont OC, i know it seams strange for AT users but that is a fact.

Just a friendly reminder

At 3.5ghz/4ghz for £105 this is a steal:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX8320-...e=UTF8&qid=1395924969&sr=1-1&keywords=fx+8320

At 4.0/4.2ghz for £135 this is too close to an i5 to bother with:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX8350-...e=UTF8&qid=1395924977&sr=1-1&keywords=fx+8350

FX8350 is a boneheaded buy regardless of OCing or not.

 

[SPBHM]

I thought it was fine but these folk on the internet (LIKE YOU) says it's not so good.

For pricing , you can buy a 8320 here for about £100. An i5 haswell about £160. That is a £60 difference or $100 of your American dollars

I will tell you all day long the 8350 is not the best choice for gaming, but I will never say it's junk, or not good enough for most games, that's the difference.

as I said, it's easier to justify the cheaper AMD CPUs like 760k-6300 and even the 8320... but,

without him exposing his budget and the rest of the PC configuration there is simply not enough information to really say it fits better than the 4570 as the choice for a gaming CPU, because you like or not the 4570 can be significantly faster in a few games (and you and the OP might not play these games, which would be great I guess) and the 1150 platform is better with ultra cheap motherboards.

 

[schmuckley]

8320 or 960T
In all reality,anything Intel from Nehalem on would be better.