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Best 120GBs SSD outhere?

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gammaray said:
any ideas?
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Desktop 9.5mm

Model #: CT128M4SSD2...............Just the drive
Model #: CT128M4SSD2CCA.........comes with USB transfer kit
Model #: CT128M4SSD2BAA.........comes with SSD to HDD bay adapter

Laptop 7mm

Model #: CT128M4SSD1...............just the drive
Model #: CT128M4SSD1CCA.........comes with USB transfer kit
 
tweakboy said:
I thought people buy Plextor CDROM drives,, I guess now their into more.

I wouldn't trust Plextor, the 5 year warranty means something to me. It tells me it will break down just as how OCZ bugs out, Do whats tried and trusted.
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OCZ gets a really bad wrap on here but I've never had an issue with any of mine?
 
supercheapit said:
OCZ gets a really bad wrap on here but I've never had an issue with any of mine?
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Even if there is a 50% failure rate during the first year, if you sell tens of thousands then there will be thousands of people who have no failure(s) during the first year.

OCZ seems to market their products specifically to take advantage of people who are naive enough to fall for this sort of anecdotal evidence.
 
jwilliams4200 said:
I compare the percentage of below average (1- or 2-egg) reviews on newegg for various SSD models. The last time I updated it was a couple weeks ago, and here is how it looked by manufacturer then:

4.9% Plextor
6.5% Samsung
7.2% Crucial
10.0% Intel
18.9% SanDisk
25.2% OCZ

Note that this is NOT failure rate or probability of having trouble for someone who buys an SSD. This is the probability of a reviewer being unhappy with an SSD from each manufacturer. Therefore, the numbers can be used to compare manufacturers, but the numbers themselves have little significance.
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Percentage by itself is not very meaningful, the review sample for Plextor is too small to draw any conclusion.
 
paul878 said:
Percentage by itself is not very meaningful, the review sample for Plextor is too small to draw any conclusion.
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I only included manufacturers for which there was enough data to be statistically significant. There was enough data for Plextor to be statistically significant.
 
jwilliams, the plextor m3 pro 128 has 4 reviews on newegg. the non pro however has 121. Anandtech's article on the m3 pro says the m3 and the m3 pro have the same hardware but different firmware. Is this correct? It is reasonable to assume the M3 Pro will be as reliable as the M3 considering this?
 
I wouldnt assume anything when it comes to SSDs and their firmware. There could easily be a bug in one version that's not in the other. And you wont know it until tey sell enough of em and the complaints start rolling in.
 
Even if there is a 50% failure rate during the first year, if you sell tens of thousands then there will be thousands of people who have no failure(s) during the first year.

OCZ seems to market their products specifically to take advantage of people who are naive enough to fall for this sort of anecdotal evidence.
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I use my Vertex2, that I paid over $200 for, as a fishing sinker for smallmouth bass. My workstation now runs on a Samsung 830 and it starts up every morning.
 
Crag_Hack said:
jwilliams, the plextor m3 pro 128 has 4 reviews on newegg. the non pro however has 121. Anandtech's article on the m3 pro says the m3 and the m3 pro have the same hardware but different firmware. Is this correct? It is reasonable to assume the M3 Pro will be as reliable as the M3 considering this?
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Yes, the M3 and M3 Pro share exactly the same hardware. Most bugs are firmware related, hence the M3 Pro could have a bug that the M3 doesn't have. However, they both have been out for quite a while now, so if widespread issues existed, I'm sure someone would have said something.
 
So Hellhammer, being the SSD editor do you agree Samsung 830 and Plextor M3 Pro are currently the best SSDs for reliability and performance? Also I was wondering why there is no section on the Anandtech website that says what the current best SSDs. I hate having to dig through a bunch of reviews and benchmarks to come to a conclusion as to what is the best. Tom's Hardware has this page which is pretty close to a description of what's best... the only thing it lacks is a measure of reliability/warranty. It would be great to visit a page that explains what's what in a few paragraphs instead of having to dig through lots and lots of reviews/benches/threads. Thanks for your time 🙂
 
Crag_Hack said:
So Hellhammer, being the SSD editor do you agree Samsung 830 and Plextor M3 Pro are currently the best SSDs for reliability and performance?
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I would say so.

Also I was wondering why there is no section on the Anandtech website that says what the current best SSDs. I hate having to dig through a bunch of reviews and benchmarks to come to a conclusion as to what is the best. Tom's Hardware has this page which is pretty close to a description of what's best... the only thing it lacks is a measure of reliability/warranty. It would be great to visit a page that explains what's what in a few paragraphs instead of having to dig through lots and lots of reviews/benches/threads. Thanks for your time 🙂
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We have Bench which basically does the same:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/260

I think it's hard to say which SSD is the best because prices change all the time. While performance doesn't change, it can be hard to justify paying $50 more for a few MB/s. That's why I think it's best to keep an eye on the prices for at least a few days and try to catch a hot sale. For example, Samsung 830 is faster than Crucial m4, but the 512GB model of m4 retails for $400, whereas 512GB Samsung is $700. Is the Samsung worth $300? In my opinion, absolutely not.
 
That totally makes sense now... I guess the scene changes too frequently to always keep a tab on what's best other than performance stats. I had to hear it from an expert 🙂 One thing that would be valuable though would be reliability/performance statistics or perhaps just an article about that aspect of the scene that gets updated as things change. jwilliams4200's newegg stats are very helpful.
 
Crag_Hack said:
jwilliams4200's newegg stats are very helpful.
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Keep in mind that the numbers I have computed from the newegg reviews are NOT indicative of reliability. Reliability generally comes down to something like annual failure rate (AFR) as a function of years of age. For example, 5% AFR 1st year, 3% AFR 2nd year, 2%, 4%, 6% 5th year, etc.

The numbers from the newegg reviews are actually the probability that a newegg reviewer is unhappy with the product (i.e., rates a product below average = 1- or 2-eggs). This can be due to infant mortaility (failure during the first few weeks of use) or failure during the first year of use (rare is the newegg reviewer who reviews a product more than 1 year old), but also can be a result of hardware incompatibility, or design flaws that cause the product to operate in an unsatisfactory manner, or product not living up to expectations, or purchaser not receiving a promised rebate, or even user error or user ignorance.

Some of these things may be weakly correlated with reliability, but it would be a mistake to think that the below-average reviews are measuring reliability. Nevertheless, I think the newegg reviews can be helpful, since it IS good to know if a larger percentage of reviewers of one product are unhappy, as compared to the percentage of unhappy reviewers for another product. The newegg reviews DO appear to be indicative of what I would call product "quality". In the cases where I have information about the quality of a product, good or bad, independent of newegg reviews, I have generally found that the newegg reviews confirm my impression of the product. So I am confident that the newegg reviews usually do have a strong correlation with product quality, especially when the product is unusually good or unusually bad.
 
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Hellhammer said:
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Originally Posted by Crag_Hack
So Hellhammer, being the SSD editor do you agree Samsung 830 and Plextor M3 Pro are currently the best SSDs for reliability and performance?
I would say so.
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You might be interested in this thread - they are basically testing various drives until death with some extensive use - the samsung is performing admirably so far. Interestingly, the Kingston/Intel 40GB X25V has also done quite well.

Quite a long thread - the first page has a quick table of what has been done to date - go to the last few pages for a summary of where the 830 is currenty.

Edit: - Lets try this again and actually provide the link ... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm

If your interested that is.
 
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OCZ reflash resets the counters. Think about what you are getting.

Many drives are susceptible to this and damn right a company will sell it new or used? what do you think?
 
Hellhammer said:
I would say so.



We have Bench which basically does the same:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/SSD/260

I think it's hard to say which SSD is the best because prices change all the time. While performance doesn't change, it can be hard to justify paying $50 more for a few MB/s. That's why I think it's best to keep an eye on the prices for at least a few days and try to catch a hot sale. For example, Samsung 830 is faster than Crucial m4, but the 512GB model of m4 retails for $400, whereas 512GB Samsung is $700. Is the Samsung worth $300? In my opinion, absolutely not.
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Sorry to thread steal but what about the ~60Gb models with between the Samsung 830 and Crucial M4, in terms of speed and reliability?

Thanks
 
Hellhammer, the Tom's Hardware link I gave you measures 40% Throughput - 30% PCMark - 20% I/O. Anandtech doesn't have a comparable bench. Do you think a measure like that is a good indicator of overall performance? If so AT should create a similar bench.
 
I got one more question for you guys... I have a SATA 2 Mobo. I know there's backwards compatibility for SATA 3 drives but will the Samsung 830 still be a good choice? This guy thinks that a Vertex 2 SATA 2 drive would perform better than an Agility 3 SATA 3 drive (this drive has 525 and 475 read/write while the vertex 2 has 285/275) on a SATA 2 mobo. Does this claim have any credence to it? I would think that the agility 3 would outperform the vertex 2 considering its higher specs even on a SATA 2 mobo. Does the pairing of a SATA3 drive with a SATA2 mobo create a situation where the read/write/io specs are not all to consider when purchasing a drive - that perhaps a SATA 2 drive might outperform a better SATA 3 drive on a SATA 2 mobo?
 
I replaced a Vertex2 with a Samsung 830 on my SATA II motherboard, I haven't run any benchmarks but in everyday use; Photoshop, Premiere, MS Office, the speed seems about the same. It's reliability that made me go with the Samsung.
 
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