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Besides budgetary concerns, why would anyone consider any less than a 4MB Conroe?

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below are clock speed for 24/7 pi 32m stable and on air cooling, heatsink tower 120

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3544
DS3 = $150
E6300~$235
E6400~$270
E6600~$370


E6300 + DS3 = 7x480 possibly 7x500 3.3 to 3.4GHz 3400mhz/$385 = 8.8Mhz/$
E6400 + DS3 = 8 x 450 possibly 8x460 3.4 to 3.6GHz 3500Mhz/$420 = 8.3Mhz/$
E6600 + P5W DH = 9 x 444 maximum 4GHz max 4000Mhz/520 = 7.6Mhz/$

now a E6600 can "possibly" get to 4Ghz ...

notice that E6300 can do close to 3.5GHz, and E6400 can do close to 3.8GHz max above was estimate(which most people can achieve) and in favor of E6600!!

i dont think E6600 + P5W DH + tower 120 can do 4GHz 24/7...

i think clock / dollar matters most .. also im getting kentsfield end of this year, so E6400 is good enough for me

only idiot buy OEM crap ... and cant OC haha i LOL at them
 
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Of course money doesnt grow on trees. We all have to work for a living, so save up if you have to, IMO. 😀
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Sure. While you're at it, may as well save up for a BMW 7 series because anything less and you're selling yourself short. Oh yeah, and million dollar homes are all the rage right now. If you're only living in a $300,000 home, you may as well be on food stamps.

C'mon Felix, don't tell me you're selling yourself short by not getting the Core 2 Extreme? After all, the mere E6600 chips are soooo slow. I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to drop $1000 (before vendor raping^H^H^H profit) on a CPU and $200 on a motherboard, and $350 on "good" RAM. While you're at it, $600 of pocket change will get a pair of Raptor 150 drives, and don't forget dual Radeon X1900 cards for... OMG if you have to ask the price you may as well stand in the unemployment line.

Don't get me wrong, I'm reasonably excited about the Core 2 Duo... the forthcoming E4300. 😀 Pair that with a budget board like that Biostar reviewed by AT... tasty! Plus, I can still have food on my plate for the rest of the month. The only thing I'm selling myself short on is my e-penis. Of course if it gets much farther beyond my knees I'm gonna have some difficulties sitting down while wearing pants... 😱
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Dont spoil this upgrade with your .... your.... price taggery! 😉
 
maximum clock for 24/7 pi 32m stable: on aircooling, tower 120

E6300 : 7x500 = 3.5GHz
E6400 : 8x480 = 3.8GHz
E6600 : 9x444 = 4GHz

these clocks are maximum assuming u can find the right board for that cpu ...

i dont think they r dual prime stable, as my 920D 4.1GHz is not , but i game, video encoding all day no problemo
 
I would guess that it's because we're all used to the 1MB cache A64's clocking considerably higher (in most instances) than the same speed A64 with a 512KB cache. If we overclockers find out something OC's better (think XP's vs. XP-M's, for instance), then that's what we want.
 
Cost vs performance is critical for many. Why buy a E6800 if you can overclock a E6300 to the same stock speed or possibly higher? The AMD crowd did the same with the 3800 X2s. Overclock them to FX-60 levels. More bang for your buck. There's also the whole challenge thing too. Some like that challenge.
 
I'd rather buy a 6300 and a mega cooler. By Gary's testing, going from stock > Tuniq Tower got him 60 mhz on the FSB.
 
Originally posted by: dexvx
E6600, cheapest 4MB chip, is $350ish
E6300, cheapest 2MB chip for now, is $190ish.

$350 chips these days are mid-high end. I, myself, have never paid more than $150ish for a CPU.
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$150 is a lot. And considering anand's benchmarks showed 1-3% difference in game benchmarks (the only ones I really care about) it doesn't make sense to put more money there.
 
Because all the processors have the ability to overclock to about the same level, roughly 4ghz. It's unlikely you'll find that many people running higher then that 24/7, they'll be limited by the chip.

That's why I believe the E6400 is the sweet spot... at 450x8 you're running at 3.6 ghz, which is plenty. It blows away anything I could achieve on my opteron 165, with it's crapping steppings managed 2.6 ghz.

I can understand why people would choose the E6600 though. For me it was almost 50/50 for the last few weeks, I really didn't know which one I was going to get. In the end after looking at the reviews it seemed the extra cache didn't benefit games at all, and since I don't care about losing a few seconds on the rare occasion I might encode a DVD or something, I ended up going for the 6400.

I could easily do it again and get the e6600 though. Again, both good chips.
 
as far as i know, since core 2 duo uses unified cache, its 2MB L2 is comparable to a Pentium D 9xx's 2x2MB discrete cache, since most of the cache storage will likely be filled with redundant data. As such, 4MB just isn't really taken advantage of by current programs. Sure it'll make a difference, but not $100 of a difference (vs. the 6400). I would be happy if they came out with a 2.16GHz, 4MB e6500 for like $250, cause that would fit in my price range, but $325 is just to much for me.

btw, where the hell is everybody getting their info that most core 2s are hitting 4GHz? in most reviews i've seen, high end chips (e6700, x6800) were hitting ~3.6GHz, while e6300s and e6400s were hitting around 3GHz.
 
Originally posted by: gobucks
btw, where the hell is everybody getting their info that most core 2s are hitting 4GHz? in most reviews i've seen, high end chips (e6700, x6800) were hitting ~3.6GHz, while e6300s and e6400s were hitting around 3GHz.
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Head over to www.xtremesystems.com forums and see for yourself.

E6300s are hitting around 3.3 - 3.5GHz on the Gigabyte DS3.

E6600s can o/c up from 3.6 to 4GHz or so.
 
I've been around too long to trust those guys..Stable? maybe. 24/7 runners? I seriously doubt it. Exteme cooling? Most likly. Representative? No way.

Show me five 3-4 hour prime stable runners at 3.3-3.5 and i'll be shocked since Gary at AT only got 2.6ish.. xbitlabs only got 2.7ish to run his benchmarks..
 
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