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Bernie wins West By God

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Perknose said:
You do know the election is this November, right? Trump 2017! 😛
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My new job has caused me to lose all track of time, but most of all I cannot keep up on the campaigns in the least anymore, which actually has been quite nice avoiding 😛

But yea, my bad on the timing.
 
swamplizard said:
G' Mornin' everyone,

Bernie keeps on plugging in what seems like insurmountable odds. I get to cast my vote next week. Sanders/Warren 2016 !!
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There is no way he can win. The Superdelegates have insured that Hillary gets the coronation.

And Remember Superdelegates do not represent the will of the people, they are political insiders who represent Wall Street, Big banks, war industries,big oil etc..
 
Hugo Drax said:
There is no way he can win. The Superdelegates have insured that Hillary gets the coronation.

And Remember Superdelegates do not represent the will of the people, they are political insiders who represent Wall Street, Big banks, war industries,big oil etc..
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Usually the will of the people is represented by, you know, the peoples actual votes and guess what? Hillary not only has more pledged delegates but she also has a couple of million more votes than Bernie.

So either you are divorced from reality or that is some might big wishful thinking!
 
Hugo Drax said:
There is no way he can win. The Superdelegates have insured that Hillary gets the coronation.

And Remember Superdelegates do not represent the will of the people, they are political insiders who represent Wall Street, Big banks, war industries,big oil etc..
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Here we go again with the tired old trope of the superdelegates. I guess pledged delegates and millions more votes don't count for anything.

And if we want to speak about undemocratic victories, how about those undemocratic caucuses that Sanders did so well in?

The utter irony here, if you happen to be divorced from reality and not just trolling, is that calling for a Sanders nomination would go directly against the supposed will of the people and require those "undemocratic" superdelegates.
 
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Brainonska511 said:
Here we go again with the tired old trope of the superdelegates. I guess pledged delegates and millions more votes don't count for anything.

And if we want to speak about undemocratic victories, how about those undemocratic caucuses that Sanders did so well in?

The utter irony here, if you happen to be divorced from reality and not just trolling, is that calling for a Sanders nomination would go directly against the supposed will of the people and require those "undemocratic" superdelegates.
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And what you don't understand mr facts pants, is that super delegates are bad except for when Sanders wants to use them to get the nomination.


Lol! Gotta love the concerned trolling from the right!

Here is an interesting side note:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...rs-boost-bernie-sanders-west-virginia-n571791
 
Perknose said:
It's exactly this thinking, born of inchoate frustration, that delivered Germany to Hitler, Italy to Mussolini, Venezuela to Chavez, Cambodia to Pol Pot, and Zimbabwe to Mugabe.

Trump's hopefully not as dangerous as those folks were, simply because he lacks their stature, expertise, and gravitas. 😉

But be careful what you wish for, my friend. That Whambulance you're calling for may be driven by Bozo the Clown.

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I rather like what has become of the German state. Progressives were able to impose on a defeated German state a progressive democracy more advanced than the one dining the imposing because it's wasn't a voter option. That inchoate frustration wasn't of my making. It's real. We have no real democracy but government by the rich. Be careful what you reach for rich people, least others have no skin in the game.
 
Moonbeam said:
I rather like what has become of the German state. Progressives were able to impose on a defeated German state a progressive democracy more advanced than the one dining the imposing because it's wasn't a voter option.
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And to think it all came at the paltry cost of the lives of 6 million Jews, 20-30 million Russians, half a million American servicemen, the deaths of millions and millions more, and the collective misery of yet millions more.

Yay!

Anything else you "rather like"?
 
Perknose said:
It's exactly this thinking, born of inchoate frustration, that delivered Germany to Hitler, Italy to Mussolini, Venezuela to Chavez, Cambodia to Pol Pot, and Zimbabwe to Mugabe.

Trump's hopefully not as dangerous as those folks were, simply because he lacks their stature, expertise, and gravitas. 😉

But be careful what you wish for, my friend. That Whambulance you're calling for may be driven by Bozo the Clown.

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I really like how his makeup improves his looks, but his coif looks a bit more flat than normal.

It sort of supports that old adage about slapping lipstick on a pig. 😀
 
ivwshane said:
Usually the will of the people is represented by, you know, the peoples actual votes and guess what? Hillary not only has more pledged delegates but she also has a couple of million more votes than Bernie.

So either you are divorced from reality or that is some might big wishful thinking!
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How so.

Superdelegates do not represent voters. The chose who they vote on their own. Did the rules change recently? Last time I heard Superdelegates still exist.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Here we go again with the tired old trope of the superdelegates. I guess pledged delegates and millions more votes don't count for anything.

And if we want to speak about undemocratic victories, how about those undemocratic caucuses that Sanders did so well in?

The utter irony here, if you happen to be divorced from reality and not just trolling, is that calling for a Sanders nomination would go directly against the supposed will of the people and require those "undemocratic" superdelegates.
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Where did I say caucuses are democratic?
 
Hugo Drax said:
Where did I say caucuses are democratic?
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You're suggesting that superdelegates have ensured Secretary Clinton's win, yet that isn't the case. Sanders is actually less competitive than he appears, and for the most part, has only done substantially better in caucus states. It's amusing to see people complain about a "rigged" system with superdelegates that doesn't really matter, yet ignore the reality that their guy is doing better in the "rigged" part of the nomination system (via undemocratic caucuses).
 
Hugo Drax said:
There is no way he can win. The Superdelegates have insured that Hillary gets the coronation.

And Remember Superdelegates do not represent the will of the people, they are political insiders who represent Wall Street, Big banks, war industries,big oil etc..
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And on with the concern trolling bullshit. If Clinton wins, it'll be because she has the most pledged delegates as determined by caucuses & primaries. You know, the most votes. The superdelegates will just pile on for the leader like they've always done. Nor will any candidate be denied the right to try to change that, either. If Bernie can convince the superdelegates to pick him instead, more power to him.

Or... Conspiracy! Oppression! Cheaters!
 
Hugo Drax said:
There is no way he can win. The Superdelegates have insured that Hillary gets the coronation.

And Remember Superdelegates do not represent the will of the people, they are political insiders who represent Wall Street, Big banks, war industries,big oil etc..
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He is losing with the pledged delegates whom the people voted for, that's his problem, not superdelegates.
 
swamplizard said:
G' Mornin' everyone,

Bernie keeps on plugging in what seems like insurmountable odds. I get to cast my vote next week, Sanders/Warren 2016 !! pointlessly, because Hilary already has it in the bag.
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reality check.
 
Anti Trump's can rant about Trump vs women, rant about Trump vs tax returns, and the red-faced rant I like best.... Trump and the horror's of Trump having the nuclear codes. 😉
All these poor saps, delusional, and self convinced any of that matters to Trump supporters.
Then you have those that despite the details, they still believe Trump just can't win. period.
Well guess what. He will win.
And republicans will have a very successful election, besides taking the presidency.
And republicans will also chose the next US Supreme Court.
One of whom I will bet money is going to be US Supreme Court Justice Ted Cruz.

"Ted Cruz. What a wonderful choice Mr president Trump", they will say.
"Ted Cruz understands the legalities of the court", they will say.
"Ted Cruz will interpret the law and the constitution as it was intended", they will say.
"Ted Cruz is the perfect replacement for deceased Justice Antonin Scalia", they will say.
America... say hello to your new US Supreme Court Justice, justice Ted Cruz.

Bad? People have no clue how bad this will be.
But despite the anti-Trump rantings and rants by the news media and their inability to envision a president Donald Trump, NONE OF THAT WILL MATTER.

Trump will easily win come election day November.
Republicans, despite their fears, will realize Donald Trump the best thing that ever happened to them since Ronald Reagan.
They will own the house, own the senate, own the presidency, and own the US Supreme court, all for generations to come.

Until then, let the anti Trump folks convince and reason to us why Trump will never be president.
Let the democrats explain how Trump can never be elected.
Let them all preach to us right up to the day Donald Trump becomes President Donald Trump.

As horrifying as this sounds and horrifying as President Donald Trump might sound, and horrifying the thought of republicans controlling all segments of government, this is their destiny.
The destiny of Donald Trump.
And the options for everyone else?
Canada, France, Great Britain, mass suicide.
That's about it.....
 
cubby1223 said:
Well, I'm glad the polls have decided the election! No need for the next year & a half of campaigning.
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Polls are the only pieces of objective data we have on this. I went against the polls last cycle to my embarrassment. I won't do so again so easily. You may be right that Sanders actually has a worse chance than Hillary but there is no objective reason to say so at this time.
 
buckshot24 said:
Polls are the only pieces of objective data we have on this. I went against the polls last cycle to my embarrassment. I won't do so again so easily. You may be right that Sanders actually has a worse chance than Hillary but there is no objective reason to say so at this time.
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Objective reason: Hilary has been getting hammered with attacks from the Republicans for over a decade, and is still enduring. Do you really think Trump is going to find something to attack her over that the public hasn't heard about ad nauseam? What's he going to do? Keep repeating Benghazi? Keep repeating "email?" No one has really put any effort into seriously attacking Sanders yet.



Anyone catch Jimmy Kimmel tonight? They were interviewing Trump supporters. "How did you feel at this morning's press conference when Trump announced Dennis Rodman as his running mate." "How did you feel at this morning's press conference when Trump announced his daughter was his running mate?" "How did you feel at this morning's press conference when Trump announced Arnold Schwarzeneggar as his running mate?" The responses - lol.
 
DrPizza said:
Objective reason: Hilary has been getting hammered with attacks from the Republicans for over a decade, and is still enduring. Do you really think Trump is going to find something to attack her over that the public hasn't heard about ad nauseam? What's he going to do? Keep repeating Benghazi? Keep repeating "email?" No one has really put any effort into seriously attacking Sanders yet.
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Nothing objective about that. This may or may not be significant. No way to measure it.
 
Hugo Drax said:
How so.

Superdelegates do not represent voters. The chose who they vote on their own. Did the rules change recently? Last time I heard Superdelegates still exist.
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If the super delegates were apportioned the same as the other delegates Bernie is STILL LOSING. Clinton is beating him period. I like the guy but this crap is just old.
 
DrPizza said:
Objective reason: Hilary has been getting hammered with attacks from the Republicans for over a decade, and is still enduring. Do you really think Trump is going to find something to attack her over that the public hasn't heard about ad nauseam? What's he going to do? Keep repeating Benghazi? Keep repeating "email?"
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Oh, yes. He is going to find things to accuse her of that no one has ever thought of before, because he does not limit himself to any semblance of reality. Trump has learned that people are not interested in what is true, they just want it to be entertaining. So, yes. He is going to find things to attack Hillary with that no one has ever tried before.

Ugly lesbian trying to take over 'Merica for the Gay Agenda? For certain.
Manchurian candidate? Probably.
Actually Bill Clinton in Drag? Perhaps.
Lizard in a human suit? Maybe.

This is going to be the worst mud flinging campaign in history. I predict that this election season is going to push freedom of speech in the political arena to it's very limit. Before this is over there is going to be slander and or libel suits. Come November we are going to be having serious discussions about freedom of speech as it applies to political campaigns what sort of speech is allowable, and what has gone too far.

No one has really put any effort into seriously attacking Sanders yet.
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I agree. Sanders would have a hard time of it. He would be trying to discuss the issues and Trump would be talking about how Sanders dresses. I would hope that Sanders calm rational arguments would win the day, but in reality we are closer to Idiocracy that I would like to believe.
 
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Jhhnn said:
And on with the concern trolling bullshit. If Clinton wins, it'll be because she has the most pledged delegates as determined by caucuses & primaries. You know, the most votes. The superdelegates will just pile on for the leader like they've always done. Nor will any candidate be denied the right to try to change that, either. If Bernie can convince the superdelegates to pick him instead, more power to him.

Or... Conspiracy! Oppression! Cheaters!
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Or identity politics and wining over principle. It's Hillary who will be the circus clown, a hope for 8 years Big Tent magic circus act where all eyes will focus on the tap dance and nothing will happen to remove the strangling grasp on the rich on our politics.
 
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