Bernie Sander's speech at Liberty University today

[JSt0rm]

Yes or no. Should be easy for you.

Has sanders self identified as a socialist?

Yes or no. Do you regret posting that fail isis photo?

 

[NoStateofMind]

 

[NoStateofMind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fOPBIc56gU

Great stuff, this man should be president. Pretty ballsy of him to go to a very conservative university to speak.

Edit: And Liberty University should be commended for having an open mind to invite him to speak.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The cost of Sanders' proposed programs is $18 trillion. $15 trillion on universal healthcare and $3 trillion on everything else. Universal healthcare would of course replace current insurance for just about everyone.

Funny thing is that we're already projected to spend $18 trillion on health care over the next 10 years. If his plan actually worked as advertised we'd have health care for everyone and $3 trillion more to spend on whatever else we wanted.

I for one am totally shocked that our very well educated friend here forgot to mention that. (or more likely, he didn't know and was duped by a right wing blog again)

Bernie said he'd have better numbers to show soon
I just assumed that it would be a tax so everyone's insurance bill goes down by about 1k per year and everyone also pays about 1k per year in taxes.

 

[Fern]

Clip I saw on the news sounded like he got some applause on his abortion stance.

Clips I saw showed applause for a number of things. Not sure who was applauding though, TV news said outsiders/non-students were allowed to attend.

Fern

 

[brycejones]

herp

I used to think you were reactionary, but somewhat intelligent. After that stunt though with the pic, you're down around michal1980 and texashiker levels of intellectual dishonesty and general retardation.

 

[Fern]

liberty university? commending them for their "honesty?" quoting bible versus? Fuckoff

I think your criticism is unfounded.

I see nothing wrong with using "Bible versus (sic)" to illustrate your point at a religious institution. Seems a good/effective idea to me.

As a Conservative I probably disagree with his policies, but he seems an ethical and sincere politician (i.e., rare) I can and do respect. I see no basis for personal criticism of him. (In this way he reminds me of Dennis Kucinich.)

BTW: In the clips I heard he wasn't quoting Bible verses, he was quoting from the Torah (Jewish Bible). Bernie is Jewish.

I think it interesting that he goes to a Christian institution and quotes the Torah, and that the Christians receive it in a positive manner.



Fern

 

[JSt0rm]

I used to think you were reactionary, but somewhat intelligent. After that stunt though with the pic, you're down around michal1980 and texashiker levels of intellectual dishonesty and general retardation.

Plus add in the socialism! bad! These people don't care that a balance of capitalism and socialism is the best for society. They will break the nation for ideology. They need to go away and let smart people make policy choices.

 

[justoh]

I think your criticism is unfounded.

I see nothing wrong with using "Bible versus (sic)" to illustrate your point at a religious institution. Seems a good/effective idea to me.

I think it interesting that he goes to a Christian institution and quotes the Torah, and that the Christians receive it in a positive manner.

You're right. It is sic (sic). Really. That IS interesting.

 

[JEDIYoda]

"Ballsy" not found.

When candidates go to speak at Liberty Univ it's the media that excoriates them. Sanders never had to be concerned about that.

Fern

Actually your points are well taken, but why go into a place where you know you are NOT one of them? I think perhaps "ballsy" was the wrong word, yet Bernie Sanders literally walked into the lion`s den to talk and try to find some common ground!

It`s to bad when Obama first became the POTUS that the Republicans or the Democrats did not try to have a dialog with each other to find some common ground to build upon and get things accomplished!!

Peace!!

 

[Fern]

Actually your points are well taken, but why go into a place where you know you are NOT one of them?
-snip-

Thanks, I can think of a few reasons but will mention only one: There's a common perception that our politicians/political parties are too divisive and don't talk to each other etc. I think Bernie going there demonstrates that he's willing to communicate with the 'other side'. I.e., he's willing to try and change the current toxic environment in Washington DC.

I also think that as part of the 'establishment' that sort of thing is particularly beneficial to him. I'd guess the Dem side is noticing what's happening over on the Repub side: Anti-establishment (or non-establishment) candidates are the ones doing well.

And if nothing else it generated a lot of free publicity. (OK, I lied, that was two things.)

Fern

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm curious, have you ever had a job? Or not lived with your parents? Generally the hardcore "FUCK YOU DAD" segment is generally people living in basements.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fOPBIc56gU

Great stuff, this man should be president. Pretty ballsy of him to go to a very conservative university to speak.

Edit: And Liberty University should be commended for having an open mind to invite him to speak.

Why is it ballsy?

They're open to different points of view even if they don't agree with them. I.e., you won't get people shouting him down or doing other actions (running onto the stage, etc) to prevent him from speaking his mind and providing his point of view to the audience in attendance. Which is something that is sorely lacking in most "liberal" colleges where speakers have to conform to a narrative or else face the wrath of hard left student body groups.

Of which anyone who anyone who isn't inline with these left-wing student body groups are automatically branded with a host of -isms and calls for their removal from campus even if they were invited to speak there by other student groups or the staff.

In fact maybe Bernie went there because he wanted to get away from the #BlackLivesMatter stalkers who are hounding him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-disrupted-by-black-lives-matter-protesters/

P.S. It would be hilarious if he is branded as being ideologically tainted by far-left groups just because he went to this college to give a speech and they start targeting him with a vengeance.

 

[MagickMan]

Nowadays, bizarrely, many "conservatives" are more open minded than many "liberals". Progressives cannot tolerate disagreement.

They will, as long as there are safe spaces with teddy bears provided, and you give trigger warnings. Oh, and hold the applause, jazz hands only, please.

 

[Zstream]

Bernie said he'd have better numbers to show soon

I just assumed that it would be a tax so everyone's insurance bill goes down by about 1k per year and everyone also pays about 1k per year in taxes.

Can you clarify the everyone or is it again those in the middle class?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Can you clarify the everyone or is it again those in the middle class?

I am assuming so I do not have numbers to base it on. I assume that whatever the average amount you are currently paying for insurance would then be replaced by a similar tax. Same deal for employers, whatever they are paying for insurance for their workers that would become a tax.

 

[Exophase]

BTW: In the clips I heard he wasn't quoting Bible verses, he was quoting from the Torah (Jewish Bible). Bernie is Jewish.

I think it interesting that he goes to a Christian institution and quotes the Torah, and that the Christians receive it in a positive manner.

The Torah is the first five books of the Old Testament in the Christian Bible. If he quotes one he's quoting the other, and it's no surprise Christians would receive it well.

 

[cubby1223]

He really could be the next President. Possibly even one of those Presidents that stands out as one of the best.

The only reason Bernie Sanders has a shot at the presidency is because Hillary is a weak candidate and the Democratic party is not putting up any challenger to her.

Bernie gave a speech at a conservative university? Good for him. He's not going to win the presidency. Ask anyone in France how much they've enjoyed their socialist party rule. The only way socialist policies can work is if we have a very lean and efficient government running the show. We don't. We have a fat, over-bloated government full of too many individuals looking out for themselves.

 

[MovingTarget]

Not sure about the colleges but Catholic Schools educate people pretty good. They didn't in the past.

Let me stop you right there for a moment. Liberty University is NOT CATHOLIC. They are ultra right-wing, evangelical, and protestant. If anything, people at places like Liberty University are more likely to be vehemently anti-Catholic than most protestants as a whole.

The current love-affair of the right-wing with Catholicism is a relatively recent affair over the abortion issue. It is quite perplexing to see this develop over the course of my lifetime, as Catholics are pretty big about social justice issues (environmental stewardship/protection, labor rights, social protections, a "preferential option for the poor", etc.) I do not believe that this alliance will last in the long run. The US has a long history of being suspicious of, if not exhibiting outright hatred for Roman Catholics.

 

[MongGrel]

Not sure about the colleges but Catholic Schools educate people pretty good. They didn't in the past.

Pretty well ?

:sneaky:

NM.