Bernie Sanders dominating NH!

[dullard]

Need a source.

Might as well link to one of the better poll aggregators:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-hampshire-democratic/

 

[dullard]

Bernie is the lefty equivalent of Ron Paul. Small group of vocal followers who are active on the internet, but in the grand scheme not going to win anything. Just like Paul, Bernie has some decent ideas, but they are overwhelmed by the overall crazy factor.

I'd normally agree with that. But, Republicans have thrown every ounce of every effort they have to attack Hillary and at the same time are fighting an internal war that may possibly nominate Trump. If they are successful at both, then we'd likely have Bernie winning the presidency. It is early, but Bernie is winning vs Trump in the polls. (I'll throw in one of the least reliable poll aggregators since I just posted 538 above:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html )

Bernie would be a minor president since he'd get none of his agenda passed. But, with four supreme court justices in their 80s during that term, he could have a very long lasting impact based on his nominations for that position.

And an even greater impact of this possible scenario is what the younger voters think. It doesn't matter so much as to whether or not they vote NOW. But I'd be a Bernie / Trump matchup would drive a whole generation of younger voters to identify as Democrat (so it may impact the vote for decades later when these youth get older). The youth might not matter right now, but it may have the longest impact of all of Bernie's run. Trump is correct on one thing: there is a silent majority. They are the 60.5% of America that is under age 44. Think about it, are those the people you want to alienate?

 

[hal2kilo]

Bernie is the lefty equivalent of Ron Paul. Small group of vocal followers who are active on the internet, but in the grand scheme not going to win anything. Just like Paul, Bernie has some decent ideas, but they are overwhelmed by the overall crazy factor.

Yea, unlike Trump🙄

 

[piasabird]

This just proves the Romney 49% statement to be true.

 

[TheSlamma]

Need a source.

According to CNN's lastest, it is Bernie is at 50% of NH Dems and the Hilderbeast is at 40%. There are other numbers for those NH Dems, who have definitely decided (at only 52% of NH Dems), which is Bernie 64% and the Hilderbeast 35%

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/new-hampshire-cnn-wmur-poll-democrats/index.html.

All kinds of numbers, which out of context, are confusing or misleading. That's why we need citations.

No mention of O'Malley. Maybe if he spends the rest of the time just introducing himself, like he did at the start of the last debate, he might get noticed on the board. Then maybe Martha Raddatz will give him permission to speak.

Gas station sign :sneaky:

 

[Strk]

This just proves the Romney 49% statement to be true.

I take it you're trying to say it's just a bunch of people wanting free stuff? When it comes down to it, I doubt most people actually know their tax burden. And I doubt party affiliation makes a difference. The bigger joke being states that receive the most aid are mostly red states.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Bernie is the lefty equivalent of Ron Paul. Small group of vocal followers who are active on the internet, but in the grand scheme not going to win anything. Just like Paul, Bernie has some decent ideas, but they are overwhelmed by the overall crazy factor.

Not even close. Bernies plans all hold water. Ron Paul was okay in some areas, and completely out in left field in others. He has a cult following of idiots, libertarians, that didn't realize half his policies were insane. This meant he had absolutely no real chance!

Bernie on the other hand is posed to be tied with Hillary after the first two states. Once that happens, we could easily see a repeat of 2008, when Obama took one state away from Hillary

 

[PokerGuy]

Yea, unlike Trump🙄

Yes, very much unlike Trump. Like him or not, he's not in the lead for the repub nomination because of a vocal fringe following. He's in the lead for the repub nomination because of his overall fame/name/infamy. Paul and Bernie have a fringe following and gained some pub because they are not part of the "regular" establishment, but either way they simply don't have the level of support needed to come even close to winning their party's nomination.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Bernie would be a minor president since he'd get none of his agenda passed. But, with four supreme court justices in their 80s during that term, he could have a very long lasting impact based on his nominations for that position.

And an even greater impact of this possible scenario is what the younger voters think. It doesn't matter so much as to whether or not they vote NOW. But I'd be a Bernie / Trump matchup would drive a whole generation of younger voters to identify as Democrat (so it may impact the vote for decades later when these youth get older). The youth might not matter right now, but it may have the longest impact of all of Bernie's run. Trump is correct on one thing: there is a silent majority. They are the 60.5% of America that is under age 44. Think about it, are those the people you want to alienate?

Even if Bernie can't pass a single piece of legislation, he will be far more effective than Hillary would be with full legislative support. Hillary isn't the least bit interested in helping anymore, but herself. Bernie, on the other hand, will elect uncorrupt justices, and use his executive orders to great effect.

There is also a chance of a political revoluttion, albeit small, in which Bernie wins the election, creates immense buzz about actual change, and then the democrats get a super majority in the legislative branch. The democrats aren't interested in said change, but they at least have to pretend to be on the left sometimes in order to get re-elected, which could work in Bernie's favor. This could in turn enable Sander's to actually pass some real legislation.

It doesn't matter if you alienate them, if you can strip the few strands of our democracy away. Your vote will be totally worthless in the Oligarchy they are in the process of finishing.

Yes, very much unlike Trump. Like him or not, he's not in the lead for the repub nomination because of a vocal fringe following. He's in the lead for the repub nomination because of his overall fame/name/infamy. Paul and Bernie have a fringe following and gained some pub because they are not part of the "regular" establishment, but either way they simply don't have the level of support needed to come even close to winning their party's nomination.

Are you joking? There is like a billion republican candidates! It's highly possible he loses his position when people start dropping out, and the remaining candidates pick up their support. It wouldn't take long before the average morons start to outnumber the fringe morons that support trump.

 

[dullard]

There is also a chance of a political revoluttion, albeit small, in which Bernie wins the election, creates immense buzz about actual change, and then the democrats get a super majority in the legislative branch.

It is very early on in the election, but I think that chance is very, very small. I personally don't see the democrats getting a super majority in this election cycle. To do so would require a good amount of non-college educated whites to switch parties. While that can theoretically happen, the excitement level just isn't there, and I don't yet see where it will come from.

I think a more likely, albeit still slim chance, is that republicans will forfeit the presidency IN ORDER TO get the super majority. Run a three-way race of Trump, GOP Establishment, and a democrat. The GOP would split their vote and the democrat will win the presidency. But, the GOP could get both the tea-party and the establishment groups to the voting booth and get the super majority in congress that way.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

It is very early on in the election, but I think that chance is very, very small. I personally don't see the democrats getting a super majority in this election cycle. To do so would require to be a good amount of non-college educated whites to switch parties. While that can theoretically happen, the excitement level just isn't there, and I don't yet see where it will come from.

I think a more likely, albeit still slim chance, is that republicans will forfeit the presidency IN ORDER TO get the super majority. Run a three-way race of Trump, GOP Establishment, and a democrat. The GOP would split their vote and the democrat will win the presidency. But, the GOP could get both the tea-party and the establishment groups to the voting booth and get the super majority in congress that way.

This is absolutely what the establishment wants.

Get Clinton into office, and then the Democrats can pretend to be unable to pass legislation due the obstructionist Republicans again. Then the people will continue to be at each others throats, and they get to pass more shit like the TPP.

 

[Hugo Drax]

He will never get nominated. Clinton is the chosen one, and that is the choice you get.

 

[mect]

Yes, very much unlike Trump. Like him or not, he's not in the lead for the repub nomination because of a vocal fringe following. He's in the lead for the repub nomination because of his overall fame/name/infamy. Paul and Bernie have a fringe following and gained some pub because they are not part of the "regular" establishment, but either way they simply don't have the level of support needed to come even close to winning their party's nomination.

While there are similarities between Paul and Sanders in terms of having very vocal, online supporters, Sanders has much higher polling numbers than Paul ever dreamed of. If Paul were running second in the the republican nomination and threatening to take an early lead based on the first couple of states, he would have been taken much more seriously.

 

[theeedude]