"Bernie Bros"

[norseamd]

The concoction of the “Bernie Bro” narrative by pro-Clinton journalists has been a potent political tactic — and a journalistic disgrace. It’s intended to imply two equally false claims: (1) a refusal to march enthusiastically behind the Wall Street-enriched, multiple-war-advocating, despot-embracing Hillary Clinton is explainable not by ideology or political conviction, but largely if not exclusively by sexism: demonstrated by the fact that men, not women, support Sanders (his supporters are “bros”); and (2) Sanders supporters are uniquely abusive and misogynistic in their online behavior. Needless to say, a crucial tactical prong of this innuendo is that any attempt to refute it is itself proof of insensitivity to sexism if not sexism itself (as the accusatory reactions to this article will instantly illustrate).

It’s become such an all-purpose, handy pro-Clinton smear that even consummate, actual “bros” for whom the term was originally coined — straight guys who act with entitlement and aggression, such as Paul Krugman — are now reflexively (and unironically) applying it to anyone who speaks ill of Hillary Clinton, even when they know nothing else about the people they’re smearing, including their gender, age, or sexual orientation. Thus, a male policy analyst who criticized Sanders’ health care plan “is getting the Bernie Bro treatment,” sneered Krugman. Unfortunately for the New York Times Bro, that analyst, Charles Gaba, said in response that he’s “really not comfortable with [Krugman’s] referring to die-hard Bernie Sanders supporters as ‘Bernie Bros'” because it “implies that only college-age men support Sen. Sanders, which obviously isn’t the case."

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31...squerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

 

[Genx87]

Glenn as usual nails it.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/31...squerading-as-journalism-and-social-activism/

This is modern day sjw feminism 101! Don't make arguments, and don't rebut counter arguments. Instead, just proclaim your victim status, and label the other side something provocative, and dismiss them because of it. Then continue to post debunked talking points.

 

[ivwshane]

This is modern day sjw feminism 101! Don't make arguments, and don't rebut counter arguments. Instead, just proclaim yourself your victim status, and label the other side something provocative, and dismiss them because of it. Then continue to post debunked talking points.

You haven't been reading your own posts, have you? You are a bernie bro.

 

[michal1980]

You haven't been reading your own posts, have you? You are a bernie bro.

and your a Hillary hoe.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This is modern day sjw feminism 101! Don't make arguments, and don't rebut counter arguments. Instead, just proclaim yourself your victim status, and label the other side something provocative, and dismiss them because of it. Then continue to post debunked talking points.

Something to aid you in your war against such people

 

[ivwshane]

and your a Hillary hoe.

Says the dumbest poster on this forum.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

Says the dumbest poster on this forum.

I don't think you should be casting stones...

 

[ivwshane]

I don't think you should be casting stones...

Sure bernie bro.

 

[michal1980]

Says the dumbest poster on this forum.

aww how cute, you liberals are all so original.

Personal attack after personal attack.

Are you also upset some big evil rich white guy took your cookie?

 

[michal1980]

Sure bernie bro.

So as a Clinton hoe, you sexually assault anyone today like bill?

 

[Jhhnn]

So Greenwald is a Bernie Bro too, huh? And a whiney one at that with the whole "they're just as bad!" routine.

He does lay out a lovely set of false premises & characterizations about Hillary supporters, uses that to justify some of the worst behavior on the web, behavior that serves Bernie not at all. He engages in it himself from the start.

Shee-it. The Bernie Bros attack Hillary using the same bullshit & methods as the right wing under the false flag of being progressives. They're not. They're just tear it down ravers like the Trumpists & the Freedom Caucus.

Which isn't to criticize the vast majority of Bernie supporters who don't act that way. You know, the ones who really are progressives, who don't need to drag anybody down to build Bernie up, especially not their only viable second choice.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Cuz Hillary never tries dragging Bernie down to put herself on top, nuh-uh, no way.

 

[Victorian Gray]

So as a Clinton hoe, you sexually assault anyone today like bill?

"aww how cute, you liberals are all so original.

Personal attack after personal attack."

 

[Jhhnn]

Cuz Hillary never tries dragging Bernie down to put herself on top, nuh-uh, no way.

Please. The attack of the Bernie Bros began where the Birther/Benghazi believers left off. It's difficult to tell the difference. Maybe there isn't any, depending on the persona in question.

The candidates have treated each other respectfully- too bad not all their followers follow suit. In this forum, anyway, we've seen nowhere near the level of abuse for Bernie as for Hillary & we both know it.

 

[ivwshane]

Cuz Hillary never tries dragging Bernie down to put herself on top, nuh-uh, no way.

We aren't talking about the candidates themselves, we are talking about their supporters.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It's all monkey see, monkey do. Bernie says Hillary is Goldman Sachs-approved during a debate, his followers repeat it all over the internet. Hillary says Bernie is a bad man for attacking Obama once, true believers attack the Bernie Bros for not staying loyal to their lord and savior.

 

[ivwshane]

It's all monkey see, monkey do. Bernie says Hillary is Goldman Sachs-approved during a debate, his followers repeat it all over the internet. Hillary says Bernie is a bad man for attacking Obama once, true believers attack the Bernie Bros for not staying loyal to their lord and savior.

No. In fact bernie has stated he doesn't want this type of behavior from his supporters.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-bernie-bros-2016-2

Both Sanders and Clinton have run about as clean of a campaign as I can remember but bernie supporters over the last month have really taken off and done bernie's campaign a disservice. The attacks from bernie bros are very similar to the attacks the Republican supporters have been lobbying at Hillary for years.
That may be welcomed and common on the Republican side but it's not something dems usually go for.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Oh yeah.

SEXIST!!!!!!!!!!111

Bernie's a pushover so of course he'll apologize for things like that. Just look how he acted when BLM stole his podium.

 

[sandorski]

For Clinton, IMO, trying to turn this into a Sex issue is a tactical error. She simply doesn't need to. She could get saddled with the issue by going this route, when it seems that the general public is not really resistant to a Woman becoming President and more interested in having new Ideas. That is why Sanders is doing well amongst Younger Women, he is bringing new ideas to the table.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

So Greenwald is a Bernie Bro too, huh? And a whiney one at that with the whole "they're just as bad!" routine.

He does lay out a lovely set of false premises & characterizations about Hillary supporters, uses that to justify some of the worst behavior on the web, behavior that serves Bernie not at all. He engages in it himself from the start.

Shee-it. The Bernie Bros attack Hillary using the same bullshit & methods as the right wing under the false flag of being progressives. They're not. They're just tear it down ravers like the Trumpists & the Freedom Caucus.

Which isn't to criticize the vast majority of Bernie supporters who don't act that way. You know, the ones who really are progressives, who don't need to drag anybody down to build Bernie up, especially not their only viable second choice.

Sorry, but Hillary has a lot of flaws as a politician. Pointing those flaws out doesn't make these people evil MISOGYNIST, nor does it make them fake progressives.

If you want to see a fake progressive, look in the mirror! You are supporting Hillary, a die hard conservative!

Fact of the matter is Hillary is in bed with the banks, the private prisons, the media, etc... Every facet of the establishment you can think of! Bernie isn't!

 

[cubby1223]

No. In fact bernie has stated he doesn't want this type of behavior from his supporters.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-bernie-bros-2016-2

Both Sanders and Clinton have run about as clean of a campaign as I can remember but bernie supporters over the last month have really taken off and done bernie's campaign a disservice. The attacks from bernie bros are very similar to the attacks the Republican supporters have been lobbying at Hillary for years.
That may be welcomed and common on the Republican side but it's not something dems usually go for.

You've got to be kidding. It's like how squeaky-clean Obama was during his campaigns - because he had legions of weirdos across the internet willing to sling all the mud for him, he didn't have to personally engage in negative campaigning. And iirc, Hillary's campaign back in '08 went super-negative when she began falling behind Obama.

I know you love all things Democrat, but be realistic.

And let's not forget the sleaziest negative move I've seen in politics in a very long time when Harry Reid announced on the floor of the Senate that Mitt Romney hasn't paid any taxes for 10 years.

Don't even try to claim Democrats are above negativity. Don't even try to claim you are above negativity.


mysticjbyrd is a shill, no doubt about it. But that doesn't excuse the factual problems in your own posts.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

For Clinton, IMO, trying to turn this into a Sex issue is a tactical error. She simply doesn't need to. She could get saddled with the issue by going this route, when it seems that the general public is not really resistant to a Woman becoming President and more interested in having new Ideas. That is why Sanders is doing well amongst Younger Women, he is bringing new ideas to the table.

Right, except the opposite is also true. There seems to be quite a few people solely interested in voting for a woman, regardless of the issues.

Part of the reason I voted for Obama was that he was black. But that was secondary, I was voting for what was supposed to be a progressive. Turns out that was a lie.

I would absolutely vote for a Woman president, but just like before, they have to have the right ideals, and actually believe in them. Elizabeth Warren for instance.

 

[Exophase]

There's an irony in picking out people calling Hillary Clinton things like "bitch" and applying an insult of their own ("bro") that is also gendered and makes an assumption of gender.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

There's an irony in picking out people calling Hillary Clinton things like "bitch" and applying an insult of their own ("bro") that is also gendered and makes an assumption of gender.

I agree it's ironic, but an insult isn't necessarily an ad hominem, unless it detracts from the argument at hand. In the case for Hillary, it clearly doesn't qualify.

Dictionary

Bitch - a spiteful or unpleasant woman.

Spiteful - showing or caused by malice:

Malice - the intention or desire to do evil; ill will:


You could argue that most politicians would fit into a similar category, and I would agree, but knowing that doesn't change the fact they belong in that category.

Especially, when compared to Bernie, this sounds spot on honestly.... In the case for Bernie supporters, it's clearly an ad hominem. They don't have any real arguments, so they want to change the discussion into a personal attack.