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Bernie ahead by triple digits in NY !!! (j/k)

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1prophet said:
It was the end when he pulled that little stunt in one of the early debates defending Hillary because he believed she was running for the issues just like himself, by the time he realized Hillary was all about winning no matter what she had to say or promise it was pretty much over.
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I'd argue that the "little stunt" helped him a lot more than hurt him. When he did that, he got the attention from a lot of people who were looking for someone who was concerned with the issues, not attacking the other candidate. Had he behaved like Cruz or Trump toward Hilary, people would have rapidly dismissed him as "that crazy old guy who's running."
 
I plan to write him in come November. I'm not going to vote for a candidate that supports agendas in contrast to my interests solely to back the candidate with the biggest chance to win.
 
Yeah, it's pretty much over for Sanders. I do hope he keeps going until CA though, though with the handwriting on the wall he may be more reluctant to point out just how truly awful Hillary is.

I was hoping to see Sanders v Trump, oh well. Guess I'll vote libertarian, or write in Sanders. Or maybe vote Trump.
 
BoberFett said:
Yeah, it's pretty much over for Sanders. I do hope he keeps going until CA though, though with the handwriting on the wall he may be more reluctant to point out just how truly awful Hillary is.

I was hoping to see Sanders v Trump, oh well. Guess I'll vote libertarian, or write in Sanders. Or maybe vote Trump.
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You should definitely vote Trump. Your vote itself is mathematically meaningless, but the amount of humor that others will be able to get by reminding you in the future that you voted for Trump would be worth a great deal.
 
Well one is not an idiot for wanting to spend tax revenue for higher education and healthcare instead of wars and wallstreet bailouts. So it can't be Bernie. :hmm:
 
eskimospy said:
You should definitely vote Trump. Your vote itself is mathematically meaningless, but the amount of humor that others will be able to get by reminding you in the future that you voted for Trump would be worth a great deal.
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And millions will laugh at morons that vote Hillary.
 
SSSnail said:
Therein lies the naivety...
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I said that's what he wants, not that that's what he'll get. Trump/Cruz and Clinton in contrast care more for the elite than anyone else. Even Trump who is not beholden to donors clearly has a vested stake in ensuring things like foreign workers doing American jobs continues unabated. Regardless of their ability to navigate the maelstrom that is politics, if they are not interested in anything other than paying back the special interests that bankrolled their superpacs and/or continuing their disastrous business models where Americans are always the clear loser then they are no closer to helping the middle class than Bernie is. Quite the contrary in fact. They would go backwards where as Bernie would want to move forwards but would otherwise be made to stand still by the system. Better to go no where than to go further backwards.
 
eskimospy said:
lol, whatever you need to tell yourself!

Do it, you know you want to. VOTE TRUMP, BOBERFETT. TRUMP IT ALL UP.
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Speaking of telling yourself lies to make you feel better, keep pretending Ds and Rs are different. Hillary and her backers continue to convince me they're the same.
 
BoberFett said:
Speaking of telling yourself lies to make you feel better, keep pretending Ds and Rs are different. Hillary and her backers continue to convince me they're the same.
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Of course they're different, unless you think Al Gore would have invaded Iraq, John McCain was just itching to pass universal healthcare, and Ted Cruz's SCOTUS pick can't wait to protect abortion rights.

If you think they're the same then you think something stupid.
 
SSSnail said:
That's pretty awful that some of you hate a woman so much that you'd rather vote for an idiot.
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It's pretty awful that you insist this is about gender.

For what it's worth, I am now leaning in the direction of voting for another woman in the generals, Jill Stein. I do still think Hillary would be a better president than Trump or Cruz and I understand not voting for Hillary is voting in their favor and throwing my vote away. But I've been feeling more and more that the political system in America, that rarely allows a non-D or R to win significant political positions (and may eventually not allow R to win either) creates a lot of problems and could lead to worse problems in the long term. So I'm voting against the political system as a long term goal, and voting for a candidate whom I feel has the best policies.
 
Exophase said:
It's pretty awful that you insist this is about gender.

For what it's worth, I am now leaning in the direction of voting for another woman in the generals, Jill Stein. I do still think Hillary would be a better president than Trump or Cruz and I understand not voting for Hillary is voting in their favor and throwing my vote away. But I've been feeling more and more that the political system in America, that rarely allows a non-D or R to win significant political positions (and may eventually not allow R to win either) creates a lot of problems and could lead to worse problems in the long term. So I'm voting against the political system as a long term goal, and voting for a candidate whom I feel has the best policies.
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I'm just calling it as I see it, being truthful about it or not, that's up to you or whomever is voting. Only you would know the truth.

Free stuff is not progress.

And no, you have to look deeper than the promise of free stuff.
 
Just give it up.
Hillary killed in NY and she is the gal that will run for the democrats.
That is a done deal.
You can take that to the bank, but remember, never release the transcripts 😉
Fine... if Bernie wants to stay in there to the very end, but frankly it's all over kids.
If Bernie simply wants to hang around, to enjoy the process, great. But if he thinks he can still win, thats really sad indeed.

What is it with stubborn old people?
My dad is 90 and still wants to buy and farm a farm.
We say "dad, you can hardly walk around Walmart. How are you going to live out in the boonies, raise cattle and plant corn?".
I see a lot of my dad in Bernie.
Mayne it isn't the revolution. Maybe its the fear of getting old and the fear of dying?
 
SSSnail said:
I'm just calling it as I see it, being truthful about it or not, that's up to you or whomever is voting. Only you would know the truth.
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You're just heavily implying that people only hate her because she's a woman. This is about what you assume, not what you see.

And all this from the person who listed Carly Fiorina's appearance as political criticism.

SSSnail said:
Free stuff is not progress.

And no, you have to look deeper than the promise of free stuff.
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This is about a lot more than "free stuff" to me.

Not like Hillary isn't promising a lot of increased spending in social services, but I guess it's in the magic place that's just perfectly right. Apparently anything slightly more would be socialist and anything slightly less would be Republican.
 
The difference is one have plans and know what it will take to accomplish said things due to decades of experience; the other just don't even begin to know where to begin, but the ideas sound great.
 
SSSnail said:
The difference is one have plans and know what it will take to accomplish said things due to decades of experience; the other just don't even begin to know where to begin, but the ideas sound great.
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The difference is her plan doesn't involve fighting for policies that will be helping the middle class. Though I do not deny her plan has a very good chance of success. That's what scares me.
 
sportage said:
My dad is 90 and still wants to buy and farm a farm.
We say "dad, you can hardly walk around Walmart. How are you going to live out in the boonies, raise cattle and plant corn?".
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So, your "solution" is not to even take the farm idea seriously. Issue "settled". Haha.

What IF your dad would indeed spend some of his advanced years on a farm, "raise cattle, plant corn", whatever. You think it's an impossible illusion?

This is the same, lame thinking as saying 'free' tuition is "impossible", or ANY change to the current abhorrent system is "impossible"...so let's just stamp it all as an "Illusion" and not even pursue it.

Sorry, this is *extremely* lame, and I actually envy your dad that he (unlike you) actually has a dream or the motivation to do something, even if it seemingly goes against "common sense". Pursuing a seemingly "impossible" goal/dream I consider better than voluntary self-limitation. Aka: You won't see whether something works without trying it.
 
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flexy said:
So, your "solution" is not to even take the farm idea seriously. Issue "settled". Haha.

What IF your dad would indeed spend some of his advanced years on a farm, "raise cattle, plant corn", whatever. You think it's an impossible illusion?

This is the same, lame thinking as saying 'free' tuition is "impossible", or ANY change to the current abhorrent system is "impossible"...so let's just stamp it all as an "Illusion" and not even pursue it.

Sorry, this is *extremely* lame, and I actually envy your dad that he (unlike you) actually has a dream or the motivation to do something, even if it seemingly goes against "common sense". Pursuing a seemingly "impossible" goal/dream I consider better than voluntary self-limitation. Aka: You won't see whether something works without trying it.
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A smart person would probably say let's try a garden and some chickens in our backyard and see how he does before buying a farm. What Bernie supporters seem to not understand is that achieving goals isn't an all or nothing proposition. In fact this country has rarely, if ever, made sweeping changes in one go and the founding fathers wanted it that way. Hillary is looking to build on the difficult accomplishments we've already made on health care because she knows just how difficult getting things changed is. How does she know? She's been fighting for health care reform for decades. What has sanders done for health care (or any of his policies for that matter?) for the last 25+ years he's been in government besides standing behind clinton for a photo op?
 
Sonikku said:
The difference is her plan doesn't involve fighting for policies that will be helping the middle class. Though I do not deny her plan has a very good chance of success. That's what scares me.
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As a middle class guy, I'm more afraid of the remote chance that Bernie succeeds than Hillary.
 
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