Berkeley Weighs Legalizing Prostitution

[Ynog]

In my experience, virginal geeks that are too afraid to talk to a girl, are going to be just as afraid to talk to a hooker.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

So, you're basically in favor of legalization? Dad's much less likely to contract HIV from a regulated (read: STD-screened) prostitute and one is generally free to quit a legal job at any time, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

No, I wouldn't. That would be entirely my father's fault. Why would I want to limit everyone's freedom because my father was a fool and hurt himself?

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

Forced ANYTHING is, and would remain illegal. There are MANY kinds of forced labor. Should they all be illegal because someone just might break the law and force someone to do it?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

You have yet to poke a single one. Sorry.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
WOOHOO!!

I'm far from virginal and I'm rejoicing.

EA, I've read some of your wild stories; do you really need any more action?

PS MrsSkoorb, Other than being an overcompensated CEO, there's not much that pays that well

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

 

[Mandos]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish


It's wrong to give people free reign of their sexual practices?

It's just like any other commodity. Why shouldn't it be for sale?

 

[Encryptic]

Go Berkeley! :thumbsup:

This should be interesting if it ever comes to fruition and the religious right doesn't manage to shut it down because they don't want the "Whore of Babylon" in their backyards.

 

[MomAndSkoorbaby]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
WOOHOO!!

I'm far from virginal and I'm rejoicing.

EA, I've read some of your wild stories; do you really need any more action?

PS MrsSkoorb, Other than being an overcompensated CEO, there's not much that pays that well

Heh....somehow, I don't think I would make very much!

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

OK what about this:

being caught at an establisment like this by your wife? Ever heard of that fella in Texas who sits outside the store and takes pictures of you going into the "dirty store" and then sends them to your house in an 8x10 format? People are nuts. what is your answer to that? Does anyone here have Morals anymore?

Why do you need to pay for sex anyhow? Johns = LOSERS

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

OK what about this:

being caught at an establisment like this by your wife? Ever heard of that fella in Texas who sits outside the store and takes pictures of you going into the "dirty store" and then sends them to your house in an 8x10 format? People are nuts. what is your answer to that? Does anyone here have Morals anymore?

Why do you need to pay for sex anyhow? Johns = LOSERS

Repeat after me:

Supporting g@y rights does not make me g@y.

Supporting the decriminalization of narcotics does not make me a drug user.

Supporting the legalization of prostitution does not make me a john.

The sooner you learn this, the sooner we can have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

There is a common theme among these, and that theme is INDIVIDUAL rights and freedoms. ALL of these are now victimless crimes. Personal morality is just that, PERSONAL. It does NOT have to be enforced by law. The government exists ONLY to protect my rigfhts from being violated, NOT to protect me from myself.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

OK what about this:

being caught at an establisment like this by your wife? Ever heard of that fella in Texas who sits outside the store and takes pictures of you going into the "dirty store" and then sends them to your house in an 8x10 format? People are nuts. what is your answer to that? Does anyone here have Morals anymore?

You're cross-pollenating prostitution and infidelity. Cheating is cheating regardless of who you chose to cheat with.

Why do you need to pay for sex anyhow? Johns = LOSERS

It's not really any of your concern why someone would pay for sex and it's certainly not relevant to the question of the legality of prostitution.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: EXman
OK what about this:

being caught at an establisment like this by your wife? Ever heard of that fella in Texas who sits outside the store and takes pictures of you going into the "dirty store" and then sends them to your house in an 8x10 format? People are nuts. what is your answer to that? Does anyone here have Morals anymore?

Why do you need to pay for sex anyhow? Johns = LOSERS

Hey, I never said the clientel were all upstanding community leaders. What I'm saying is this: regardless of your stance on the morality of prostitution the facts show that when it is legalized the secondary crimes which come with illegal/unregulated prostitution, most of which we can agree are immoral, all but disappear.

If someone is willing to solicit a prostitute and thereby jeopardize their marriage chances are they would have done it regardless of the legality. If not with a prostitute then with some random girl they meet at a bar or something. Prostitution is not the cause of these things, merely the outlet. And it will exist independant of its legality.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

Not just Nevada. Look at the Netherlands, Germany, and the smattering of other European countries that have changed their laws.

There are still problems with the Nevada legalization of prostitution, and it involves mostly the way in which the sex workers are treated - mandatory registration and FINGERPRINTING, forced health checkups not at their own doctor but at a doctor prescribed by the brothel, operation through a licensed brothel where the owner sometimes takes a huge percentage of the proceeds, etc.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Have you seen most prostitutes? I wouldn't want to fool around with most of them. Yuk.

Still, I don't think it should be against the law for two consenting adults to enter into an agreement on providing/receiving sexual favors for money. Who exactly is being hurt by this transaction? Who is this law protecting?

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Not just Nevada. Look at the Netherlands, Germany, and the smattering of other European countries that have changed their laws.

FYI, the reason I only speak of the situation in Nevada is because I live there. In fact I live just 15 minutes from Mound House, otherwise known as the (legalized)prostitution capitol of North America.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Have you seen most prostitutes? I wouldn't want to fool around with most of them. Yuk.

You sir have obviously never been to any of the brothels in fabulous Mound House. I've gone on a few occasions (soliciting donations for the library, if you must know) and the girls there can only be described as "holy flabliggity shizzow *jaw drop*". However, there's always one 40-year-old with a nose the size of my fist. I dunno why, but that's the case. Maybe some guys have a thing for the uggos, who knows.

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: Amused
Repeat after me:

It's nobody's business what an individual does, so long as it harms no one else.

Prostitution is a victimless crime. Thus it is a violation of no one's rights. Therefore the laws against it ARE a violation of individual rights.

I bet you'd be singing a different tune if your Dad gave you Mom AIDS from some crackwhore.

Also do you think %100 of the women do this by choice? ever heard of Forced prostitution?

hmm any more holes you want in this theory?

Forced prostitution is (apparantly) non-existant in areas where it is legal in Nevada. That's something which exists in illegalized, unregulated prostitution. If you really, really want I could explain why regulation removes those risks, but it's way too much typing for this early in the morning.

Crackwhores spread disease because they engage in unregulated trade. When the State Board of Health is checking you out every month (twice a month I think) the liklihood of spreading STDs goes down a lot. Mix that with the (I think) mandatory use of condoms and STD transmission sinks to statistical lows. Lower than a lot of swingers groups certainly.

What the situation in Nevada has shown is that the problems and social issues that people tie in with prostitution all but vanish when it becomes legalized and regulated.

OK what about this:

being caught at an establisment like this by your wife? Ever heard of that fella in Texas who sits outside the store and takes pictures of you going into the "dirty store" and then sends them to your house in an 8x10 format? People are nuts. what is your answer to that? Does anyone here have Morals anymore?

Why do you need to pay for sex anyhow? Johns = LOSERS

Your point being? If a married man decides to patronize the establishment and gets caught, that's his own fault and he shouldn't have been screwing around in the first place. At least he'd be doing it in a legalized joint and not banging some STD-dripping crackwhore.

I suppose it's just better to leave things the way they are now, in your opinion. Let's look at this:

- Women run the risk of getting killed, beaten, raped and forced into hooking against their will.

- The police, courts and jails spend more resources on curbing prostitution, when they could be doing more constructive things.

- STDs get spread around because people don't have the foresight to use protection

Sex is a basic human need. Some people are desperate/horny/etc. and choose to seek it out any way they can, even if it means paying for it. Legalization is a better answer than letting things continue the way they have been.

 

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: MrsSkoorb
Why?

 

[skarydrunkguy]

What... you guys never heard of vice crimes?

 

[MAME]

why the hell is a victimless act illegal? How is it any different from pornography? Talk about retarded laws

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Have you seen most prostitutes? I wouldn't want to fool around with most of them. Yuk.

Still, I don't think it should be against the law for two consenting adults to enter into an agreement on providing/receiving sexual favors for money. Who exactly is being hurt by this transaction? Who is this law protecting?

The fat cows of America, mooooooooooo.......

 

[Nitemare]

<Carlin>Selling's legal, fvcking's legal! Why isn' t selling it legal?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: MAME
why the hell is a victimless act illegal? How is it any different from pornography? Talk about retarded laws

It's a throwback to our Quaker days...sort of like when we would burn women at the stakes or drown them because someone called them a witch.

Sodomy is still on the books in most states as well.

<---Tired of allowing the government to dictate morality.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
<---Tired of allowing the government to dictate morality.

I dunno, it has its advantages. Knowing the government has decided something is immoral makes all the more fun.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Not just Nevada. Look at the Netherlands, Germany, and the smattering of other European countries that have changed their laws.

FYI, the reason I only speak of the situation in Nevada is because I live there. In fact I live just 15 minutes from Mound House, otherwise known as the (legalized)prostitution capitol of North America.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Have you seen most prostitutes? I wouldn't want to fool around with most of them. Yuk.

You sir have obviously never been to any of the brothels in fabulous Mound House. I've gone on a few occasions (soliciting donations for the library, if you must know) and the girls there can only be described as "holy flabliggity shizzow *jaw drop*". However, there's always one 40-year-old with a nose the size of my fist. I dunno why, but that's the case. Maybe some guys have a thing for the uggos, who knows.

I said most...and no, I haven't been to Mound House...wherever that is. :roll:

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I said most...and no, I haven't been to Mound House...wherever that is. :roll:

Mound House, Nevada. An hour from Reno. The prostitution capitol of North America. Home of the Moonlight Bunnyranch, of notable fame both for the fact that it employed John Bobbit after the incident, as well as the HBO documentary series which is shot there.