Berg's Decapitation A Fake?

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Gaard

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Nick Berg decapitation video declared "a fraud" by medical doctor

The first casualty of war is the truth and this one has been no exception. La Voz de Aztlan obtained a copy of the video showing the beheading of American Nick Berg of Philadelphia and immediately something very odd was readily apparent. Not only were the purported screams of Nick Berg not in synchrony with the decapitation but their was also a total lack of blood spurting out as his jugular and other veins and arteries were being cut.

We forwarded the video to Doctor Raul Castro Guevara, a surgeon and forensic expert in Mexico City for his expert opinion. He wrote back and commented, "No hay manera que el individuo en el video estaba vivo y su corazon funcionando cuando le estaban cortando la cabeza. En estos casos, el corazon impela sangre con gran presion, y se corta las arterias del cuello, hay una gran cantidad de sangre que salpica por todos lados. En mi opinion el video es un fraude."

Doctor Raul Castro Guevara is saying that there is no way that the individual in the video was alive and his heart pumping while his neck was being cut. The doctor adds that in these cases, while the heart is pumping, cutting a person's artery in the neck, would cause copious amounts of blood to spurt all over the immediate environment. He says that in his opinion the video is a fraud.

We hope that our readers view the video and see for themselves. We will provide a copy to any of our subscribers that have been supportive of our publication. Send a request to La Voz de Aztlan at Fake_Video@Aztlan.Net

If you are able to view the video, please pay close attention to the five so called Al queda terrorists making the political statement. Look at their height, weight, skin color and their mannerisms. Do you think these people are Arabs or Iraqis?


Of course he was beheaded. But was he alive when it happened? Shouldn't the autopsy be able to tell us if he was alive when he was beheaded?
 

ShinX

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could be those silly , greedy land hogging charone followers trying to provoke something
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Of course he was beheaded. But was he alive when it happened? Shouldn't the autopsy be able to tell us if he was alive when he was beheaded?

Yes, the autopsy would be able to show that. However if he had his throat slit and then later cut off for the camera - then that may not show up on the autopsy. It may not matter much either way. He was Murdered, and dismembered. Atrocity either way.

CkG
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Of course he was beheaded. But was he alive when it happened? Shouldn't the autopsy be able to tell us if he was alive when he was beheaded?

Yes, the autopsy would be able to show that. However if he had his throat slit and then later cut off for the camera - then that may not show up on the autopsy. It may not matter much either way. He was Murdered, and dismembered. Atrocity either way.

CkG

Ok, and the tenths of thousands of civilian Iraqis who were killed? oh, i know, collateral damage, right?

The thing was that he was beheaded, killed in a very painful way, you know, like the 10-20 prisoners that were beaten to death.

I don't want to add to the conspiracy here but here is a man that had been held by US troops for two weeks, then suddendly he is beheaded by Iraqis who state their names but don't show their faces, and it is obvious that he is already dead.

He had to be dead, nick a jugular and see what happens, i have seen it. it is like a sprinkler, there is NO way that he was not already dead.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Of course he was beheaded. But was he alive when it happened? Shouldn't the autopsy be able to tell us if he was alive when he was beheaded?

Yes, the autopsy would be able to show that. However if he had his throat slit and then later cut off for the camera - then that may not show up on the autopsy. It may not matter much either way. He was Murdered, and dismembered. Atrocity either way.

CkG
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He had to be dead, nick a jugular and see what happens, i have seen it. it is like a sprinkler, there is NO way that he was not already dead.

Then answer gaard if you have such vast knowledge of this.

CkG
 

peonyu

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Somewhat Off-Topic, heres a link to a Islamic forum discussing the Berg decapitation video where many of them say its justified, and some say it could be a US plan to take attention away from the prison scandal :

link
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: peonyu
Somewhat Off-Topic, heres a link to a Islamic forum discussing the Berg decapitation video where many of them say its justified, and some say it could be a US plan to take attention away from the prison scandal :

link

Some also condemn it there.
 

peonyu

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Originally posted by: halik
Yeah its fake... the guy was dead when they decapitated him. I saw the video and the time stamps are off ... theres is cut between when they throw him down and when they actually do the deed


If thats true then that atleast makes his murderors a tiny bit less barbaric.
 
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Originally posted by: peonyu
Somewhat Off-Topic, heres a link to a Islamic forum discussing the Berg decapitation video where many of them say its justified, and some say it could be a US plan to take attention away from the prison scandal :

link

Half of that forum is completely brainwashed...interesting reads there, I think it's been linked to before, too.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Gaard
Of course he was beheaded. But was he alive when it happened? Shouldn't the autopsy be able to tell us if he was alive when he was beheaded?

Yes, the autopsy would be able to show that. However if he had his throat slit and then later cut off for the camera - then that may not show up on the autopsy. It may not matter much either way. He was Murdered, and dismembered. Atrocity either way.

CkG
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He had to be dead, nick a jugular and see what happens, i have seen it. it is like a sprinkler, there is NO way that he was not already dead.

Then answer gaard if you have such vast knowledge of this.

CkG

I do not have VAST knowledge of it, but i have seen it and any medical expert will agree too, there is no way he was alive.

I think that my previous posts have answered gaards question even if i have quoted others, but just for your sake CkG.... Gaard, he was not alive, the screams MUST have been someone elses, there is no way he could have been alive and not covered his executionor in blood.

Happy now CkG?
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: YellowRose
Now was'nt this Z.... guy declared dead several months ago. And doesn't he move pretty well for a dead man and with a artifical leg which itself is damaged. Where on earth did they find 5 well fed arabs. These guys look like they have yet to miss a supersized meal from Micky D's in years. Why did two of them use their left hand to touch their face. I thought the left hand was taboo/unclean thus they would not touch their face with their left hand.

How do you surmise they were well fed? They were covered head to toe.
 

bozack

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funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.
Everyone? Most people assumed the beheading was real.
 

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Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.

how dare you compare these two situations...:roll:

;)

CkG
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.

how dare you compare these two situations...:roll:

;)

CkG
After all, the Prisoner Abuses at Yaba Daba Doo Prison was just some soldiers blowing off steam..well at least according to Rush Limburger;)
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.

how dare you compare these two situations...:roll:

;)

CkG
After all, the Prisoner Abuses at Yaba Daba Doo Prison was just some soldiers blowing off steam..well at least according to Rush Limburger;)

Exactly. The myriad digital photos and videos (confessed to have been taken by those involved) were just some hazing.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.

how dare you compare these two situations...:roll:

;)

CkG
After all, the Prisoner Abuses at Yaba Daba Doo Prison was just some soldiers blowing off steam..well at least according to Rush Limburger;)

Exactly. The myriad digital photos and videos (confessed to have been taken by those involved) were just some hazing.
Yeah welcome the Sadam U!
 

MedicBob

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I agree there are some things that don't add up.

I think we all can agree it was him, he is dead, and he was beheaded.

No matter if the tape is a true events recorded or just patched together for shock value, it served a purpose.

I feel it will get more people behind what the US is doing, the against, but only time will tell.
 

lozina

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This whole Berg incident has so many barbed twists and turns that I'm afraid to touch it with a 10-foot pole.
 

Fingolfin269

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Some of you have watched too many ski-mask robberies on the news.

Do you seriously think that Arabs mask themselves because they are trying to conceal their identities? Just because a guy says what his name is doesn't mean he's going to do a Hollywood dramatic unmasking in front of the camera.

Think about the climate of the region and then think about why they might be wearing 'masks'. HMMMM.
 

beyoku

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Matbe their camcorder was broken, maybe their timestamp was messed up. Who know.
I wonder how many people have seen people beheaded to be familiar with the forensic reality of it.
Maybe they didn't react to his screaming because they didn't give a shite?
He turned the papers too fast? PLEASE.

MAYBE HE WAS ABDUCTED BY ALIENS?

Do you have any idea how much blood there would be if he WAS alive?

Take your regular garden hose and put your pinky inside it, now turn the water on, that is the kind of pressure you have in your jugular, there is NO way to cut off a mans head and not be covered in blood, there are two nerves that regulates the blood flow to and from the head, if they register no flow, the heart would increase that pressure so a beheading IS going to be VERY messy, if it is real.

That isn't what i think, that is what i know, this video can be real or perhaps not, if it isn't we will know about it.

True, i have seen somebody simply stabbed in the neck. Blood will shoot up to the sealing.
 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: bozack
funny how everyone questions the authenticity of this video, and did so the second it was released, yet no one posed the same questions of the prisioner photos instead they were just assumed authentic.

Have you been living in the cave? The soldier's ADMITTED to the evil deeds in the prison!
 

Genx87

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Watch the video again. He is clearly moving well into the beheading. You cant get around that at all.