Bergdahl to be charged with desertion

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pcgeek11

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Pcgeek is incapable of they kind of self reflection. Now get off his lawn while he yells at the clouds!

It has nothing to do with self reflection or me. He is a deserter and deserved all that entails. He admitted it himself by pleading guilty of the charges. But then again you are the people that thinks Bradley Manning deserves an award for his traitorous acts.
 

Jaskalas

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It has nothing to do with Fox News. Are you stupid?
It has nothing to do with self reflection or me. He is a deserter and deserved all that entails. He admitted it himself by pleading guilty of the charges. But then again you are the people that thinks Bradley Manning deserves an award for his traitorous acts.

Fox News was the one originally reporting the fabrication of anyone claiming Bergdahl "joined the enemy". The fact is he never did.
 

pcgeek11

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Fox News was the one originally reporting the fabrication of anyone claiming Bergdahl "joined the enemy". The fact is he never did.

The fact is that I never said "that he joined the enemy".

You do not have to "Join the Enemy" in order to be a deserter or for misbehaviour before the enemy charges.

From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/bowe-bergdahl-guilty-plea/index.html

Fort Bragg, North Carolina (CNN)US Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl could spend the rest of his life behind bars after he pleaded guilty Monday to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy.

I don't think this warrants the death penalty, but I do have the opinion that he was let off too lightly by a long shot. The sentence handed out was a travesty of justice and a slap in the face to every service member that has ever served and particularly to those that he was serving with in his unit.

From Here: http://military.findlaw.com/criminal-law/failure-to-report-for-duty-awol-and-other-charges.html

The below is what he plead guilty too.


Desertion
Desertion is similar to AWOL in that it involves a military service member's failure to report for duty—or more specifically, the act of leaving one's assigned post. Desertion typically involves the intent to leave one's unit or place of duty permanently, but an offender who is AWOL for 30 days automatically is considered to have deserted his or her post (without proof of intent). An example would be a service member deployed in a foreign war leaving his post after informing his commanding officer that he no longer wants to serve.

The Manual for Courts-Martial identifies the following types of desertion (including the elements of each):

1. Desertion with intent to remain away permanently
  • The accused left his or her unit, organization, or place of duty;
  • The absence was without authority;
  • At some time during the absence, the accused intended to remain away from his or her unit, organization, or place of duty; and
  • The accused remained absent until the date alleged; or was apprehended.
2. Desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or important service
  • The accused quit his or her unit, organization, or place of duty;
  • Did so with the intent to avoid a certain duty or service;
  • The duty or service to be performed was hazardous or particularly important;
  • The accused knew the duty or service was required; and
  • Remained absent until the date alleged.
3. Desertion before notice of acceptance of resignation
  • The accused was a commissioned officer and had tendered his or her resignation;
  • Before receiving notice of acceptance of resignation, the accused quit his or her duties;
  • Did so with the intent to remain away permanently; and
  • Remained absent until the date alleged; or was apprehended.
Attempted desertion also is charged as a military crime, as long as the attempt went beyond mere preparation. Desertion carries a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay, and confinement of five years. For desertion during a time of war, however, the death penalty may be applied (at the discretion of the court-martial).

From Here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899'

Misbehaviour Before The Enemy:

Any member of the armed forces who before or in the presence of the enemy
(1) runs away;
(2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend;
(3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property;
(4) casts away his arms or ammunition;
(5) is guilty of cowardly conduct;
(6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage;
(7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces;
(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or
(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle; shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 69.)
 

brycejones

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It has nothing to do with self reflection or me. He is a deserter and deserved all that entails. He admitted it himself by pleading guilty of the charges. But then again you are the people that thinks Bradley Manning deserves an award for his traitorous acts.

Yes we know you're happy being the petulant child.
 

bshole

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The fact is that I never said "that he joined the enemy".

Good to know that we have you to cipher truth and fuck the military investigators, what in the hell do they know? You have disrespected the military with this. You have spit in their face. You sound like a creationist denying evolution to scientists.

That decision was the first step in a two-month investigation at JBLM during which he interviewed 57 people and pulled together a team of 22 soldiers to help him understand the pressures troops faced on the ground in Afghanistan during Bergdahl’s fateful deployment.

“I thought it would be better to go back, you know, sort of separate ourselves from the noise and work with a team of people that I already knew,” Dahl said in court.

His investigation is not classified, but the Army has refused to release it to the public. Dahl opened a window on it last month at Bergdahl’s first pretrial hearing, where he testified he did not believe the Afghanistan War’s most famous deserter should receive a jail sentence on top of the five years he spent in Taliban captivity.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/military/article38691366.html
 

Jhhnn

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It has nothing to do with self reflection or me. He is a deserter and deserved all that entails. He admitted it himself by pleading guilty of the charges. But then again you are the people that thinks Bradley Manning deserves an award for his traitorous acts.

Somebody here said that about Manning? Or do you read minds, or what?
 

pcgeek11

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Then it won’t be a problem for you to provide links to many people in this forum saying that.

I never stated that anyone said that. Learn to read.

I said that many people in here thinks Bradley manning deserved an award. I the clarified that by saying that it is the attitude of many.

Read the Bradley Manning threads the evidence is obvious. Even you could understand it.

Do your own research. I know you aren't playing dumb either, you are.
 

brycejones

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Do your own research. I know you aren't playing dumb either, you are.

Nope I am asking you to PROVE the assertion you made. Your unwillingness to do so only indicates you know you are unable to do so.

Come on put up or shut up.....
 

Jhhnn

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Then it won’t be a problem for you to provide links to many people in this forum saying that.

Nah. He's showing off his mind reading skills & his vengeful self righteousness.

The great thing about America is that we're bigger than that. I like the way Shakespeare put it-

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
 

brycejones

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I never stated that anyone said that. Learn to read.

I said that many people in here thinks Bradley manning deserved an award. I the clarified that by saying that it is the attitude of many.

Read the Bradley Manning threads the evidence is obvious. Even you could understand it.

Do your own research. I know you aren't playing dumb either, you are.


So it was in threads and obvious but you can’t quite quote it.

Sure......
 

pcgeek11

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Then it won’t be a problem for you to provide links to many people in this forum saying that.

A few quotes:

He should be let out with credit for time served. He didn't hurt anybody. He embarassed some politicians and bureaucrats who like to hide their dirty laundry. Our government is way too secretive about what it does and far too invasive in monitoring what we do.

Leave the kid alone and put him on probation. People go to war for money, killing hundreds of thousands and then they string this kid up for spilling a few beans? What a load of crap.

Wrong, he is a whistleblower and it is natural for most whistleblowers to act agaist their former agreement/contract/etc. Since he revealed very inconvinient information that plays against US war propaganda, obviously he would be painted as a criminal/traitor/etc. "The history of liberty is a history of civil disobedience to unjust laws or practices. As Edmund Burke sermonized, All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

I personally don't see anything wrong with what Manning did. The US government has lost all credibility in being allowed to keep secrets. The bad secrets FAR outweighs the good and you can't have a functioning democracy with all this subterfuge.