Berg killed in the same chair.
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A white plastic chair is not exactly unique. They sell the same one in front of my grocery store for $10.
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Interesting, but I can formulate my own probable happenings, don't need any body to do it for me. But in all honest why would a Jew go to an Islamic Country. It is like a Black going to a KKK meeting.
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It's sad seeing people that don't have clue try to make this into some huge conspriacy.
He was American, he was Jewish, he traveled through Israel. His passport was stamped in Israel. Passports are stamped when you travel through a country.
Don Vito Corleone
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I don't find the chair itself, or the color of the wall, persuasive at all. Here is an interesting synopsis of the timestamped chronology of the killing that I found thought-provoking, though. I have not watched the tape all the way through and don't know whether it's completely accurate:
Check out the video timestamp timeline:
13:26 - Berg states his and his father's name. Seated in plastic patio chair in orange jumpsuit. Shot taken from a side angle.
2:18 - Seated in same chair, same jumpsuit, shot taken from the front. Berg identifies his family and where he lives.
2:40 - Berg is seated quietly on the floor in front of five masked men. All the men seem very well fed and the exposed skin rather pale for a bunch of islamic terrorists on the run. The middle guy appears to be reading from two pages of prepared text, although he is continually turning the pages over and over and over, his actions making it completely impossible for anyone to read anything from those papers. The video is too grainy to tell if the guy's mouth is moving.
2:44 - The shot angle has not changed - the middle guy is still 'reading' from his papers. Wild screaming starts on the soundtrack, but none of the masked men seem to notice it, and Berg is still sitting very quietly in front of them. He has not moved at all during these four minutes.
2:45 - the middle guy draws a knife from his jacket, pushes Berg over, and the camera suddenly zooms into such a tight closeup that the screen goes black. The timestamp abruptly changes here.
13:45 - the camera pulls back to reveal Berg utterly motionless, being manhandled by the attackers. An assailant with a black mask draws the knife across the throat, while an assailant with a white mask sits on the motionless body. The soundtrack has several people shouting "allahu akbar", but the opinion of native Iraqi speakers who have heard it is that the accents are NOT Iraqui, more likely arabic or arabic as second language.
13:46 - screaming escalates on the soundtrack yet the windpipe has quite clearly already been completely severed by the knife-weilding assailant with the Black Mask, the head being connected only by the spine. No screaming is physically possible at that point, yet it mysteriously continues, much the way it started. White Mask assailant still stitting on the motionless body, doing nothing.
13:47 - There is another in/out camera zoom and suddenly it is the White Mask assailant, not the Black Mask one, that steps away from the body, knife in hand, holding the head aloft. No blood anywhere. At this point, the timestamp and the camera angle abruptly change again.
2:41 - Berg's head held aloft by White Mask, different angle, no blood. Curious - what day is this? As previously noted, during the 2:40 through 2:44 period, Berg could be seen alive, seated quietly in front of his captors as they 'read' their statement.
13:48 - timestamp and shot abruptly change again. Now we get shot of head resting on top of the prone body, with a zoom on the body's severed neck. Everything is very clean, completely inconsistent with the forensic reality of decapitation.
Check out the video timestamp timeline:
13:26 - Berg states his and his father's name. Seated in plastic patio chair in orange jumpsuit. Shot taken from a side angle.
2:18 - Seated in same chair, same jumpsuit, shot taken from the front. Berg identifies his family and where he lives.
2:40 - Berg is seated quietly on the floor in front of five masked men. All the men seem very well fed and the exposed skin rather pale for a bunch of islamic terrorists on the run. The middle guy appears to be reading from two pages of prepared text, although he is continually turning the pages over and over and over, his actions making it completely impossible for anyone to read anything from those papers. The video is too grainy to tell if the guy's mouth is moving.
2:44 - The shot angle has not changed - the middle guy is still 'reading' from his papers. Wild screaming starts on the soundtrack, but none of the masked men seem to notice it, and Berg is still sitting very quietly in front of them. He has not moved at all during these four minutes.
2:45 - the middle guy draws a knife from his jacket, pushes Berg over, and the camera suddenly zooms into such a tight closeup that the screen goes black. The timestamp abruptly changes here.
13:45 - the camera pulls back to reveal Berg utterly motionless, being manhandled by the attackers. An assailant with a black mask draws the knife across the throat, while an assailant with a white mask sits on the motionless body. The soundtrack has several people shouting "allahu akbar", but the opinion of native Iraqi speakers who have heard it is that the accents are NOT Iraqui, more likely arabic or arabic as second language.
13:46 - screaming escalates on the soundtrack yet the windpipe has quite clearly already been completely severed by the knife-weilding assailant with the Black Mask, the head being connected only by the spine. No screaming is physically possible at that point, yet it mysteriously continues, much the way it started. White Mask assailant still stitting on the motionless body, doing nothing.
13:47 - There is another in/out camera zoom and suddenly it is the White Mask assailant, not the Black Mask one, that steps away from the body, knife in hand, holding the head aloft. No blood anywhere. At this point, the timestamp and the camera angle abruptly change again.
2:41 - Berg's head held aloft by White Mask, different angle, no blood. Curious - what day is this? As previously noted, during the 2:40 through 2:44 period, Berg could be seen alive, seated quietly in front of his captors as they 'read' their statement.
13:48 - timestamp and shot abruptly change again. Now we get shot of head resting on top of the prone body, with a zoom on the body's severed neck. Everything is very clean, completely inconsistent with the forensic reality of decapitation.
sMiLeYz
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It makes one think that the liberals are desparate and grasping at straws to prove their heroes would never murder someone innocent in cold blood. It's gotta be Bush.
I'd like to show my extreme displeasure at you calling the terrorists heroes to Liberals, but I'd like to honor the 'no more name calling' thread. Any suggestions Alchy?
Who is is doing the "autopsy"? Ahhh, the Bush admin people. Right. Should be trustworthy then....
OK, oh diamond encrusted tinfoil asshat, explain to me the missing pieces here, and then I'll start thinking along your lines...
1) Bush et al masterfully orchestrated 9/11
2) Bush et al then invaded Iraq, but neglected to plant any WMD's. Oops!
3) Bush, et al now have regained their masteful orchestration and choreographed this murder.
Zebo
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1) Bush et al masterfully orchestrated 9/11
2) Bush et al then invaded Iraq, but neglected to plant any WMD's. Oops!
3) Bush, et al now have regained their masteful orchestration and choreographed this murder.
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Those are some interesting postions many people INSIDE the administration are agreeing with.
1. Sibel Edmonds, Clark and O'neal have all said Bush all but ignored AQ dispite repeated warnings. Sibel Edmonds goes further and says facilitation and coverup is occuring.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2298
2. Impossible waaay to much cooberation and cooperation is needed to "plant" WMD's because of tracible chemical signatures and logistical nightmares. They would if they could.
3. Maybe. Motive is there. Means is there and Berg capture was opportunity. Any administration manufactures false Niger reports and exposes CIA agents I would'n it past them
2) Bush et al then invaded Iraq, but neglected to plant any WMD's. Oops!
3) Bush, et al now have regained their masteful orchestration and choreographed this murder.
-----------------
Those are some interesting postions many people INSIDE the administration are agreeing with.
1. Sibel Edmonds, Clark and O'neal have all said Bush all but ignored AQ dispite repeated warnings. Sibel Edmonds goes further and says facilitation and coverup is occuring.
http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2298
2. Impossible waaay to much cooberation and cooperation is needed to "plant" WMD's because of tracible chemical signatures and logistical nightmares. They would if they could.
3. Maybe. Motive is there. Means is there and Berg capture was opportunity. Any administration manufactures false Niger reports and exposes CIA agents I would'n it past them
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