Benq FP937s vs Viewsonic VP192b (or which 12ms 19" LCD)

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Thor86

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Question for you BENQ owners, how is the scaling of graphics and text when in 1024x768 resolution or any other non-native resolution.

Looking to get this LCD as it is the only one available locally, but would like some more input before taking the plunge.
 

eicca

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I think in 937s (and all other panels that are the same panel generation) the quality of scaling in 1024x768 has matured to the level, where it is not an issue. For desktop work, such as writing documents, you should use the native resolution as it is a notch sharper but for games, 1024x768 suits well its purpose. At least I was very satisfied with the gaming image of my BenQ when I was comparing it head-to-head to my original 19" CRT using clone display settings. Of course this is rather subjective, so one should always see it in action to make their own mind. I also haven't compared the quality of movies in the 1024x768 scaled resolution, but I would rather use native res for that purpose. Hope this helps.
 

NordicNINE

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Yeah, 1024x768 is good for games. For desktop use, text is a bit fuzzy, so def use 1280x1024 with larger fonts for the desktop if you need 1024x768.
I could hardly notice the difference in the few games I've tried it in though.
 

imported_Dar

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I've search all over the web and I've not found a single retailer who has the BenQ FP937s in stock. I've been told that the item hasn't even been released by BenQ as of yet.
So, to those of you have purchased one, where'd you buy it? :D I'm still waiting on a reply from BenQ as to whether or they've released this yet or not. :p
 

rdh

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Originally posted by: Dar
I've search all over the web and I've not found a single retailer who has the BenQ FP937s in stock. I've been told that the item hasn't even been released by BenQ as of yet.
So, to those of you have purchased one, where'd you buy it? :D I'm still waiting on a reply from BenQ as to whether or they've released this yet or not. :p

They are in stock....albeit little stock... right now. I got one from academicsuperstore (ordered three weeks ago at $429 shipped). Going to a site that has online distributer lookup only showed 18 in stock around the company for some online stores.

Okay, here is my 3-day take on this monitor:

1) I love it. I have put it through several calibrations and it looks great. DVD movies are fantastic (compared to TV) and sharpness/color is fantastic compared to my 5 year old no-name 19" CRT.

2) I dont know what all the harping about 6 bit vs 8 bit is all about ... probably because I've never had a really great CRT or LCD monitor... but this thing looks so much better than any other monitor I've ever had that I just cant see it or complain about it. Maybe there is a problem, but looking at the scaled image on anantech with the monitor didnt give me any eye-popping revelations. I think that the issue is overblown. I remember when people complained the CDs were too tinny sounding compared to vinyl, or that mp3s and cassettes are too mushy sounding compared to CD. I suppose that for the audiophiles this is true, but if you dont have audiophile turntables/amps, or if you are listening to mp3s/cassettes over road noise, the difference is undetectable. The same is true here. I think you have to be a true videopohile to be aware of or bothered by the difference. I can see 60Hz flicker on a CRT... that bothers me. This 6bit color dithering doesn't.

3) images look fantastic.

4) 1280x1024 compared to my crt makes pixels seem discrete. Further, the letters in webpages are really skinny by comparison. I think the shadow/blur of my old crt hid a lot of pixel detail. So now movies and images looks 100% sharper, but fonts are skinny!

5) A dvi cable is included in the box. Yeah!

6) I like the onscreen image adjustment tool.

7) Castle Wolfenstein/Enemy Territory looks great at 1280x1024. Playing at non-native resolutions looks blurry by comparison (LOL, it looks like my old CRT!). If you dont want to play at 1280x1024, I wouldn't recommend getting an LCD monitor with 1280x1024 native resolution. I imagine the same is true for 1600x1200 native resolution monitors. There is no smearing or trails playing ET. While I dont claim to be the best, I rank consistently in the top 2% of players at thecpl for ET. My kill ratio is usually 4:1 (I kill 4 of them before they kill me) with 30% accuracy. So my opinion is one of an (objectively) advanced FPS player.

8) There were no dead pixels or stuck pixels for any color that I could detect. My screen is perfect! Manufacture date was October 2004. I used deadpix in a dark room to look for pixel discrepencies. At first, I thought I saw somthing, but it turned out to be back-lit dust on the screen.




 

NordicNINE

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Originally posted by: rdh
Originally posted by: Dar
I've search all over the web and I've not found a single retailer who has the BenQ FP937s in stock. I've been told that the item hasn't even been released by BenQ as of yet.
So, to those of you have purchased one, where'd you buy it? :D I'm still waiting on a reply from BenQ as to whether or they've released this yet or not. :p

2) I dont know what all the harping about 6 bit vs 8 bit is all about ... probably because I've never had a really great CRT or LCD monitor... but this thing looks so much better than any other monitor I've ever had that I just cant see it or complain about it. Maybe there is a problem, but looking at the scaled image on anantech with the monitor didnt give me any eye-popping revelations. I think that the issue is overblown. I remember when people complained the CDs were too tinny sounding compared to vinyl, or that mp3s and cassettes are too mushy sounding compared to CD. I suppose that for the audiophiles this is true, but if you dont have audiophile turntables/amps, or if you are listening to mp3s/cassettes over road noise, the difference is undetectable. The same is true here. I think you have to be a true videopohile to be aware of or bothered by the difference. I can see 60Hz flicker on a CRT... that bothers me. This 6bit color dithering doesn't.

4) 1280x1024 compared to my crt makes pixels seem discrete. Further, the letters in webpages are really skinny by comparison. I think the shadow/blur of my old crt hid a lot of pixel detail. So now movies and images looks 100% sharper, but fonts are skinny!

2) I only notice the 6bit vs 8bit if seeing an image or calibration tool and comparing it to my wife's Samsung. I also don't notice it in day to day use or gaming.

4) I actually like the sharper (blockier) looking text, but some people don't. You can turn on Window's Clear Type under Display options and/or go to this website to turn it on and it'll tune it even more for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/typog...m?fname=%20&fsize=

 

PuckerFactor

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I bought the Benq FP937s monitor LCD for Christmas to replace my 21? Viewsonic G810 CRT (7 years old), I spent $475 which included 3 day delivery. I have never owned a LCD monitor before so I am only going to compare it to my 21? Viewsonic which is a little cheaper including $38 delivery from NewEgg. In fact you can get a higher spec Viewsonic 21? for the same price as the FP937s.

My monitor arrived via Los Angeles to Mexico going thru 2 friends and an airport and arrived with my sister-in-law on Christmas Eve with no damage and no dead pixels. It even came with a D-SUB and a DVI cable.

To start with, the monitor?s display area looks almost the same size as a 21? CRT (20? viewable). Everything looks sharper, a bit more colorful but a hell of a lot grainier. I had to turn the brightness and contrast down from the defaults as it was way too harsh on the eyes.

The first thing you notice is that type looks crap! You can make it look a lot better if you are running Win XP ?.. go here; http://www.microsoft.com/typog......name=%20&fsize=
This will run ClearType, a huge improvement in webpage viewing. This only applies to the basic fonts and LCD monitors.

Heads-up everyone! Have you noticed the dot pitch specs on these LCD?s? The Benq is .29 which is golf ball size compared to my old CRT. I never noticed the screen grid on my CRT but you certainly can on a LCD. (yuck!)

As for ghosting, the FP937s does ghost. For those of you who say it doesn?t you have not played under all conditions. If you are playing as a foot soldier in games such as FarCry or Battlefield Vietnam or UT you will hardly see any ghosting unless you really spin your mouse hard, and then it?s only negligible. I played all these games at 1280X1024 @ 60 refresh (I don?t see any difference between 60 or 75) on a Radeon 9800 XT, 1 Gig of Corsair XMS Ram, and a 3400+ Athalon64, 4xAA. 8xAF,with the DVI cable.

If you fly a helicopter (BFV) vertical screen movement is fine, if you turn somewhat quickly horizontally, it ghost?s like a skid mark. If you spin, everything is a blur. This is flying with the nose cam on. If you fly with the cockpit and HUD view it?s a bit better, but still noticeable. Flying jets it was hardly noticeable.

Playing Doom 3 was good, but not amazing due to the darkness of the game and the inability of the LCD to render subtle dark tones well. Surprisingly, no ghosting in Doom 3. I ran it flawlessly at 1024X768 on high, at 1280X1024 it was a bit slower, but that was due to my graphic card.

As for movies, I played "I Robot" yesterday and it seemed fine. The colors looked great and it was really sharp.

Remember! LCD?s run and play better using the factory recommended resolution, which is usually the highest setting and refresh. In this case 1280 X 1024. The refresh rate from 60hz to 75hz doesn?t seem to make any difference in my testing. Anything lower than 1280 x 1024 you start to see a noticeable degradation in image quality. 1024 x 768 was acceptable.

If you want to do a simple test with a LCD and compare it to a CRT, right click an empty part of your desktop, select properties. You will get the ?Display? window. Stick your mouse pointer on the title bar and drag it around your desktop. It blurs like a hangover on the LCD.

The viewing angle is not that great. Benq rates the FP937s as 130 degrees, which is 30 degrees less than a lot of other models out there. What they should measure is the ?effective? viewing angle. This is different to what is ?observable? and what is legible.

This FP937s does not swivel, it just tilts vertically and can be wall mounted. The controls are simple and I bet any 6 year old could figure them out in 5 minutes.

So, if given the choice of a new 21? Viewsonic G810 or G220F PerfectFlat (.25 Dot pitch 2048x1536) model CRT or the Benq FP937s and taking into account that I?m a nitpicky hardcore gamer and designer, I would definitely not buy this or any other LCD until they get faster and finer in resolution, and that includes dot pitch. But I did buy it.

?but on the other hand, if you play at LAN parties, AND you don?t pilot a chopper, AND you are not a nitpicky graphic designer, you will probably love this monitor.
 

CUPID79

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Just reading this post on the BenQ 937s and I thought I'd share my experience with this monitor, which to say the least has been a nightmare. The monitor died after a couple of weeks and I had to go the RMA route. Let's just say it's been over a month now and I still don't have a monitor - talk about horrible customer service. Every time I call I just get the run around. As for quality and performance, the monitor was good but not great. If I could do it all over again I would save a bit more $ and get the Dell 2005FP.

Just my 2 cents.