Benching the MX440 PCI, the 9100 PCI, & the FX 5200 PCI - Updated w/new drivers and OC'ed results

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JammingJay

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I have a second system with only a PCI slot available for video upgrade and this review has helped me tremendously. Thanks for the clear review and hard numbers.
 
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Thanks for the neat review. You are doing lots of people a great favor.
 
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trikster2

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mloot

You da man!

Thinking (again) about upgrading my old dell and came across 5200FX from pny and THOUGHT it was the ultimate PCI video card.

But what's up with visiontek? They went out of business ages ago I thought?

tigerdirect is posting a visiontec rebate on the 9100, any chance it will actually be honored?

Makes the final cost $79 AR. Not too bad for what may be the best PCI card in the entire history of the earth.........


 
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MercenaryForHire

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Excellent review for those poor PCI-ridden folk who didn't know any better. There's hope for those Dimension 2350s yet!

- M4H
 
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trikster2

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Just picked up the card

Install was kind of funky under windows 98.

Would just bomb out saying not compatible with an existing video card

So actualy read the manual on the CDROM.

What a concept..

Said on 98 you may need to install the "Standard PCI Driver" several times

And they were right I did

Still crashed on install but with a different error. When I rebooted up an running with the 9100 as my graphics adapter.

Any idea if I can get this to work with the onboard AGP video, but keep the PCI as the primary port?

Thanks!

 
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Totaly subjective but so far the 9100 PCI on my 800Mhz PIII "feels" just as fast/slow as my GeForce Ti 200 AGP on my 1 Ghz Duron.

Rock solid since the install. Thanks for all the work and information MLoot!

 
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SgtZulu

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Good review Mloot, the 9100 should work great with Dells from the smoking hot refurb deals.
 
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PeeluckyDuckee

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Wonder how the 9100 PCI performs on NFS:HP2 at 1024*768*32 no AA/AF with a P4 2.8Ghz (of course :p ). Anyway you can download the demo and lmk how it runs?

Thanks for the reviews!
 
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Mloot

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Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
Wonder how the 9100 PCI performs on NFS:HP2 at 1024*768*32 no AA/AF with a P4 2.8Ghz (of course :p ). Anyway you can download the demo and lmk how it runs?
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I should be able to try it out tomorrow morning, if you don't mind waiting a few hours (I'm still at work right now).

EDIT: Ok, I tried out the demo, and it was pretty cool. It is a better looking game than I thought it would be. Anyway, I used Fraps to keep an eye out for my fps. I played at 10x7x32 (no AA or AF) with the 3 detail settings from the Options screen set to highest level. During the actual race, the meter seemed to stick to about 32-33 fps, with an occasional dip to 26 fps and an occasional high of 37 fps. With your 2.8 (I'm guessing it's a 533/mhz fsb), you should get a little better framerates than I did with my 2.4 (400). It ran really smooth on my system, so I may have to go out and pick up this game.



 
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acemcmac

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Mloot, I look at a great review like that and definitely wonder why that wasn't published *through* anand or something. I had always wondered how cards like that benched.

kudos, this one's for you :beer:
 
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FrustratedUser

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Originally posted by: acemcmac
Mloot, I look at a great review like that and definitely wonder why that wasn't published *through* anand or something. I had always wondered how cards like that benched.

kudos, this one's for you :beer:
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I agree.

:beer::D
 
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I bought the 9100, and I was very dissapointed with its performance. Very choppy in Vice City. I put my GeForce2 MX400 back in and there was little to no drop off in performance. I had nothing but trouble with the 9100 from the very start. The install packages from ATi would error out constantly. Took me like 3 hours just to get the thing to run at all. I'm glad I tried an ATi product, and now I know more than ever that nVidia is the company for me. Never had any problems with Detonator drivers. All kinds of problems with Catalyst drivers. I'm taking the 9100 back to CompUSA and getting my 100 bucks back.
 
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Originally posted by: BlameTheBigBang
I bought the 9100, and I was very dissapointed with its performance. Very choppy in Vice City. I put my GeForce2 MX400 back in and there was little to no drop off in performance.
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You must have had a configuration problem. I bought an ATI 8500LE (same as 9100) to replace my son's GeForce2 Ti (superior to your MX), and the performance and quality difference has been night and day! 3DMark2001 scores have doubled (for low 4K to low 8K), and everything looks immensely better. He can run also anything at 1024x768 with max settings with anisotropic filtering on 16X, and the games look and play superbly.

I never had any sort of driver problem on his system (or on mine with the Radeon 9500 Pro). Quite possibly, left over Nvidia drivers were causing you problems unless you did a clean install (as I did on my son's system and mine). If so, its hardly fair to blame ATI for this.

Don't get me wrong - the Nvidia card is a good card, but it GF2MX doesn't compare to the 8500/9100 (I'm still running a GeF2 Ti on my daughter's system, as she has much lower gaming requirements). But it's definitely worth troubleshooting your setup before taking the 9100 back.


 
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trikster2

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Originally posted by: selfbuilt
Originally posted by: BlameTheBigBang
I bought the 9100, and I was very dissapointed with its performance. Very choppy in Vice City. I put my GeForce2 MX400 back in and there was little to no drop off in performance.
Click to expand...

You must have had a configuration problem. I bought an ATI 8500LE (same as 9100) to replace my son's GeForce2 Ti (superior to your MX), and the performance and quality difference has been night and day! 3DMark2001 scores have doubled (for low 4K to low 8K), and everything looks immensely better. He can run also anything at 1024x768 with max settings with anisotropic filtering on 16X, and the games look and play superbly.

I never had any sort of driver problem on his system (or on mine with the Radeon 9500 Pro). Quite possibly, left over Nvidia drivers were causing you problems unless you did a clean install (as I did on my son's system and mine). If so, its hardly fair to blame ATI for this.

Don't get me wrong - the Nvidia card is a good card, but it GF2MX doesn't compare to the 8500/9100 (I'm still running a GeF2 Ti on my daughter's system, as she has much lower gaming requirements). But it's definitely worth troubleshooting your setup before taking the 9100 back.
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I agree. My other system has a Geforce3 200 Ti which should kick any GF2MXs but. So far the PCI 9100 matches or exceeds it for speed and exceeds it for visual quaility.

It's easy to blame a dorked up system on hardware, reformat and try it again.

OTOH you are upgrading from a DX7 graphics card to a DX8 graphics card. Maybe the 9100 is trying to do some "eye candy" the GF2 just ignores. Turn off a few things like reflections/water and see how it goes.

 
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