Ben Stein's Last Column...

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The article and lead-in below was in my mailbox this morning. After reading it it kinda makes me think Ben may be one of the few folks in the entertainment biz who's actually got his head screwed on straight. And I would in no way term myself a "religious person", btw.


For many years Ben Stein has written a biweekly column called "Monday Night At Morton's." (Morton's is a famous chain of Steakhouses known to be frequented by movie stars and famous people from around the globe.) Now, Ben is terminating the column to move on to other things in his life. Reading his final column is worth a few minutes of your time.

Ben Stein's Last Column...


How Can Someone Who Lives in Insane Luxury Be a Star in Today's World?

As I begin to write this, I "slug" it, as we writers say, which means I put a heading on top of the document to identify it. This heading is "eonlineFINAL," and it gives me a shiver to write it. I have been doing this column for so long that I cannot even recall when I started. I loved writing this column so much for so long I came to believe it would never end.

It worked well for a long time, but gradually, my changing as a person and the world's change have overtaken it. On a small scale, Morton's, while better than ever, no longer attracts as many stars as it used to. It still brings in the rich people in droves and definitely some stars. I saw Samuel L. Jackson there a few days ago, and we had a nice visit, and right before that, I saw and had a splendid talk with Warren Beatty in an elevator, in which we agreed that Splendor in the Grass was a super movie. But Morton's is not the star galaxy it once was, though it probably will be again.


Beyond that, a bigger change has happened. I no longer think Hollywood stars are terribly important. They are uniformly pleasant, friendly people, and they treat me better than I deserve to be treated. But a man or woman who makes a huge wage for memorizing lines and reciting them in front of a camera is no longer my idea of a shining star we should all look up to.

How can a man or woman who makes an eight-figure wage and lives in insane luxury really be a star in today's world, if by a "star" we mean someone bright and powerful and attractive as a role model? Real stars are not riding around in the backs of limousines or in Porsches or getting trained in yoga or Pilates and eating only raw fruit while they have Vietnamese girls do their nails.

They can be interesting, nice people, but they are not heroes to me any longer. A real star is the soldier of the 4th Infantry Division who poked his head into a hole on a farm near Tikrit, Iraq. He could have been met by a bomb or a hail of AK-47 bullets. Instead, he faced an abject Saddam Hussein and the gratitude of all of the decent people of the world.

A real star is the U.S. soldier who was sent to disarm a bomb next to a road north of Baghdad. He approached it, and the bomb went off and killed him.

A real star, the kind who haunts my memory night and day, is the U.S. soldier in Baghdad who saw a little girl playing with a piece of unexploded ordnance on a street near where he was guarding a station. He pushed her aside and threw himself on it just as it exploded. He left a family desolate in California and a little girl alive in Baghdad.

The stars who deserve media attention are not the ones who have lavish weddings on TV but the ones who patrol the streets of Mosul even after two of their buddies were murdered and their bodies battered and stripped for the sin of trying to protect Iraqis from terrorists.

We put couples with incomes of $100 million a year on the covers of our magazines. The noncoms and officers who barely scrape by on military pay but stand on guard in Afghanistan and Iraq and on ships and in submarines and near the Arctic Circle are anonymous as they live and die.

I am no longer comfortable being a part of the system that has such poor values, and I do not want to perpetuate those values by pretending that who is eating at Morton's is a big subject.

There are plenty of other stars in the American firmament...the policemen and women who go off on patrol in South Central and have no idea if they will return alive; the orderlies and paramedics who bring in people who have been in terrible accidents and prepare them for surgery; the teachers and nurses who throw their whole spirits into caring for autistic children; the kind men and women who work in hospices and in cancer wards.

Think of each and every fireman who was running up the stairs at the World Trade Center as the towers began to collapse. Now you have my idea of a real hero.

I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one that matters. This is my highest and best use as a human. I can put it another way. Years ago, I realized I could never be as great an actor as Olivier or as good a comic as Steve Martin...or Martin Mull or Fred Willard--or as good an economist as Samuelson or Friedman or as good a writer as Fitzgerald. Or even remotely close to any of them.

But I could be a devoted father to my son, husband to my wife and, above all, a good son to the parents who had done so much for me. This came to be my main task in life. I did it moderately well with my son, pretty well with my wife and well indeed with my parents (with my sister's help). I cared for and paid attention to them in their declining years. I stayed with my father as he got sick, went into extremis and then into a coma and then entered immortality with my sister and me reading him the Psalms.

This was the only point at which my life touched the lives of the soldiers in Iraq or the firefighters in New York. I came to realize that life lived to help others is the only one that matters and that it is my duty, in return for the lavish life God has devolved upon me, to help others He has placed in my path. This is my highest and best use as a human.

Faith is not believing that God can. It is knowing that God will.
By Ben Stein
 

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No wonder he was a speech writer in a previous life. I think that he speaks for everyone with his sentiments and that they transcend any political party or affiliation. He speaks as a person, not as a political advocate.
 

cKGunslinger

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I like Stein and I like this piece, but I can't help but but think about the recent thread about celebrities where it was argued that they should not share their political opinions in non-political settings (argued from a right-wing side against 'liberal' actors/actresses.)

Stein is most definitely a political creature, but it appears this column was a celebrity gossip column for eOnline or something. I agree with his sentiments but not necessarily with his means on conveyance. But I suppose since it is his final piece, it's acceptable.



BTW - Is there some link to this or something? Will it be appearing online at some time?
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
I like Stein and I like this piece, but I can't help but but think about the recent thread about celebrities where it was argued that they should not share their political opinions in non-political settings (argued from a right-wing side against 'liberal' actors/actresses.)

Good point.

Someone suggested that this isn't partisan. Strikes me as at least moderately conservative. Why? 50% of the country isn't too hot about this war and he seems to be using rhetoric similar to that of conservatives when they talk about this war and the tone is overall that they are doing good in Iraq. This is a conservative attitude. Not to mention the religious ending is more in line with conservatism.

BTW - Is there some link to this or something? Will it be appearing online at some time?

 

DealMonkey

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I can't even recall how many times I've heard the right/GOP lament the "evils" of Hollywood and how celebrities shouldn't get to share their opinions and on and on. But as with most things, it turns out it's just when they're not agreeing with conservatives that they're so quickly dismissed. So long as they're waiving the flag, supporting the troops and biting the very hand that feeds them, it's acceptable.

I agree to the extent that a Hollywood "star" isn't necessarily someone to look up to as role-models, but neither am I vilifying them.
 

Rainsford

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Back when I was in high school, I was a huge fan of "Win Ben Stein's Money" and I really liked the guy. But as time goes on, culminating with this article, I find I dislike him more and more. Now before someone jumps down my throat, my like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with his views, especially in regards to his views in this article. Like many other people in this thread, I agree that often the people that deserve attention the most (soldiers among them) often go underappreciated, while people who are well known for being well known get all the attention for something that really isn't too impressive.

If it was someone other than Ben Stein, I wouldn't have a problem with this view. Hell, I agree with it for the most part. But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here, and he's EXACTLY the same as all those celebrities spouting off about political issues they don't know anything about. But Ben Stein is different, you say, he's a smart guy and really DOES understand politics. Maybe, but that's not how he acts. He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity. For those of you who lived in Iowa during 2004, as I did, you probably remember recorded phone calls from Ben Stein telling you how evil Kerry was, especially in regards to the whole "global test" spaz-fest. When he repeated that crap word for word from the Republican talking points, I figured he either was an idiot when it came to politics, or just acted like one. Intelligent people, regardless of political stripe, will be seen from time to time agreeing with the opposition or even (God forbid) switching sides. Even the opinions they share with their party are usually more complex and well thought out than talking points they got off of watching Sean Hannity. Ben Stein doesn't do that, he is basically a tool for repeating talking points, appearing to be an authority for no reason other than his celebrity.

I still think Ben Stein is a smart guy, which makes it all the more annoying that he's whored himself out to the right to the point where he's no better than Mel Gibson blabbing about stem cells, or Tom Cruise making an ass of himself discussing psychology, or the Dixie Chicks and their silly protest. He's exactly the kind of celebrity he rails against.

And just to make it clear, I agree with the article, I just find it galling that Ben Stein feels he's in a moral position to point it out to all of us.
 

Mursilis

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The problem with celebrities expressing political opinions is not the opinions themselves (after all, they have First Amendment rights too, and I respect that), but that the press even covers it. I care what the Dixie Chicks think about Iraq about as much as I care what George Bush's Oscar picks are. Mainstream journalism has just gone too sensationalistic; all style, no substance.
 

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
BTW - Is there some link to this or something? Will it be appearing online at some time?
Don't know.. like I said I received this in my email this morning. (sans link) - I guess the show that he refers to may have a site but I haven't looked. Heck, who knows, this may be just another fraud-sorta-thing circulating around the WWW but it's news to me and at least a few others from what I gather by reading the posts. Not to mention I'm in agreeance w/ pretty much everything he's saying.. and yea, it's a little political but really, in the hyper sensitive age, what isn't political these days?

Originally posted by: Infohawk
he seems to be using rhetoric similar to that of conservatives when they talk about this war and the tone is overall that they are doing good in Iraq. This is a conservative attitude. Not to mention the religious ending is more in line with conservatism.
It's a shame when some on the Left knee-jerk at hearing someone's admiration in regards to valor of the individual soldier in the field and their personal struggles & accomplishments/defeats and term such respect as "rhetoric". And to equate a belief in a higher being as necessarily "conservativism" is just plain ignorant of the sizable faith-based portion of your own side of the aisle.. congratulations, Infohawk, you have been assimilated.

 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: ValuedCustomer
And to equate a belief in a higher being as necessarily "conservativism" is just plain ignorant of the sizable faith-based portion of your own side of the aisle.. congratulations, Infohawk, you have been assimilated.

Please read more closely. I never said belief in a higher being was necessarily (your italics) conservative.
 

ValuedCustomer

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
the religious ending is more in line with conservatism.
Originally posted by: Infohawk
I never said belief in a higher being was necessarily (your italics) conservative.
I stand corrected; you didn't use the word "necessarily".

 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Back when I was in high school, I was a huge fan of "Win Ben Stein's Money" and I really liked the guy. But as time goes on, culminating with this article, I find I dislike him more and more. Now before someone jumps down my throat, my like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with his views, especially in regards to his views in this article. Like many other people in this thread, I agree that often the people that deserve attention the most (soldiers among them) often go underappreciated, while people who are well known for being well known get all the attention for something that really isn't too impressive.

If it was someone other than Ben Stein, I wouldn't have a problem with this view. Hell, I agree with it for the most part. But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here, and he's EXACTLY the same as all those celebrities spouting off about political issues they don't know anything about. But Ben Stein is different, you say, he's a smart guy and really DOES understand politics. Maybe, but that's not how he acts. He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity. For those of you who lived in Iowa during 2004, as I did, you probably remember recorded phone calls from Ben Stein telling you how evil Kerry was, especially in regards to the whole "global test" spaz-fest. When he repeated that crap word for word from the Republican talking points, I figured he either was an idiot when it came to politics, or just acted like one. Intelligent people, regardless of political stripe, will be seen from time to time agreeing with the opposition or even (God forbid) switching sides. Even the opinions they share with their party are usually more complex and well thought out than talking points they got off of watching Sean Hannity. Ben Stein doesn't do that, he is basically a tool for repeating talking points, appearing to be an authority for no reason other than his celebrity.

I still think Ben Stein is a smart guy, which makes it all the more annoying that he's whored himself out to the right to the point where he's no better than Mel Gibson blabbing about stem cells, or Tom Cruise making an ass of himself discussing psychology, or the Dixie Chicks and their silly protest. He's exactly the kind of celebrity he rails against.

And just to make it clear, I agree with the article, I just find it galling that Ben Stein feels he's in a moral position to point it out to all of us.
In a way I kind of agree with you.

However, my real disappointment lay in the fact that it took Ben Stein this long to figure that out.
 
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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Back when I was in high school, I was a huge fan of "Win Ben Stein's Money" and I really liked the guy. But as time goes on, culminating with this article, I find I dislike him more and more. Now before someone jumps down my throat, my like or dislike of him has NOTHING to do with his views, especially in regards to his views in this article. Like many other people in this thread, I agree that often the people that deserve attention the most (soldiers among them) often go underappreciated, while people who are well known for being well known get all the attention for something that really isn't too impressive.

If it was someone other than Ben Stein, I wouldn't have a problem with this view. Hell, I agree with it for the most part. But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here, and he's EXACTLY the same as all those celebrities spouting off about political issues they don't know anything about. But Ben Stein is different, you say, he's a smart guy and really DOES understand politics. Maybe, but that's not how he acts. He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity. For those of you who lived in Iowa during 2004, as I did, you probably remember recorded phone calls from Ben Stein telling you how evil Kerry was, especially in regards to the whole "global test" spaz-fest. When he repeated that crap word for word from the Republican talking points, I figured he either was an idiot when it came to politics, or just acted like one. Intelligent people, regardless of political stripe, will be seen from time to time agreeing with the opposition or even (God forbid) switching sides. Even the opinions they share with their party are usually more complex and well thought out than talking points they got off of watching Sean Hannity. Ben Stein doesn't do that, he is basically a tool for repeating talking points, appearing to be an authority for no reason other than his celebrity.

I still think Ben Stein is a smart guy, which makes it all the more annoying that he's whored himself out to the right to the point where he's no better than Mel Gibson blabbing about stem cells, or Tom Cruise making an ass of himself discussing psychology, or the Dixie Chicks and their silly protest. He's exactly the kind of celebrity he rails against.

And just to make it clear, I agree with the article, I just find it galling that Ben Stein feels he's in a moral position to point it out to all of us.

Uh, of course he may be a "bit" conservative. He was Richard Nixon's, as in the President of the United States, speechwriter.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here... He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity.

You realize Ben Stein was part of the Nixon administration right? He was a politico long before he obtained a small hollywood career. Everything he says is geared with that experience in mind.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Rainsford
But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here... He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity.

You realize Ben Stein was part of the Nixon administration right? He was a politico long before he obtained a small hollywood career. Everything he says is geared with that experience in mind.

Just was I was going to say.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
The problem with celebrities expressing political opinions is not the opinions themselves (after all, they have First Amendment rights too, and I respect that), but that the press even covers it. I care what the Dixie Chicks think about Iraq about as much as I care what George Bush's Oscar picks are. Mainstream journalism has just gone too sensationalistic; all style, no substance.

That's true. There's a whole "news" media that does nothing, but harass the "stars" for everything they can get. Favorite Designer, Favorite Restaurant, getting Married/Divorced, political view, etc you name it these "reporters" want to know what the "stars" are thinking/doing.

Most "stars", I suspect even the most outspoken/controversial, probably could(have) cared less to be given this much atention, at least when they started out. The root of this over attention to what "stars" do/think/etc goes way back to the early days when Hollywood was just getting established. The film studios created a "Star System"(surprise) that turned ordinary Actors/Actresses into Super-beings. These "stars" are created to be very much like the fantasy characters they play, living the life us normal folk only dream of living. To an extent, especially with the kind of money they often make, they do live that life, but in many other aspects the media that hounds the "stars" over extends the importance of the "stars" into areas that they shouldn't. Many lap it up, but I think most just kind agree, disagree, or roll their eyes depending on political positions, opinions, or other factors.

That said, if "stars" are given the opportunity to spout off their opinions as if they have authority, why shouldn't they? That's basically what we do here, what makes us better authorities than them? Hell, in a Free and Democratic society what makes anyones Opinion superior to anyone elses?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: sandorski
That said, if "stars" are given the opportunity to spout off their opinions as if they have authority, why shouldn't they? That's basically what we do here, what makes us better authorities than them? Hell, in a Free and Democratic society what makes anyones Opinion superior to anyone elses?

Heck, if given the chance to express my views on the world stage, I'd probably take it too, so I don't dislike the 'stars' who speak out on whatever issues they choose. But to answer your last question, an informed opinion would obviously be superior to an uninformed one. All opinions are not equal, though all opinions have an equal right to be expressed. And just to be clear, I'm not suggesting a 'star's' opinion is automatically an uninformed one.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: sandorski
That said, if "stars" are given the opportunity to spout off their opinions as if they have authority, why shouldn't they? That's basically what we do here, what makes us better authorities than them? Hell, in a Free and Democratic society what makes anyones Opinion superior to anyone elses?

Heck, if given the chance to express my views on the world stage, I'd probably take it too, so I don't dislike the 'stars' who speak out on whatever issues they choose. But to answer your last question, an informed opinion would obviously be superior to an uninformed one. All opinions are not equal, though all opinions have an equal right to be expressed. And just to be clear, I'm not suggesting a 'star's' opinion is automatically an uninformed one.

True enough and better put.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Rainsford
But Ben Stein is EXACTLY the kind of Hollywood person he's talking about here... He acts like a partisan tool, just as much as any other celebrity, and he uses his celebrity to run his mouth and stump for his party, just as much as any other celebrity.

You realize Ben Stein was part of the Nixon administration right? He was a politico long before he obtained a small hollywood career. Everything he says is geared with that experience in mind.

Oh yeah, doesn't make him any less of a tool though...mostly because he pretends he isn't ;)
 

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I care what the Dixie Chicks think about Iraq about as much as I care what George Bush's Oscar picks are.

I think "Hidalgo" was his oscar pick for last year.
 

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After reading it it kinda makes me think Ben may be one of the few folks in the entertainment biz who's actually got his head screwed on straight.

Sorry to say, but I disagree. The entire war in Iraq is completely insane.
 

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
After reading it it kinda makes me think Ben may be one of the few folks in the entertainment biz who's actually got his head screwed on straight.

Sorry to say, but I disagree. The entire war in Iraq is completely insane.

I think he's talking more about the individual soldier and their seemingly thankless job they do rather than taking a definitive stand on the War as a whole.. at least that's the impression I walked away with.

So it's funny (pathetic) to see some of the lefties instantly discrediting Stein because of his previous life as a Republican speech-writer.. prolly the same folks who somehow find it necessary to defend Robert "Race Mongrel!" Byrd. No surprises there.