Ben Carson says slaves were immigrants

[Atreus21]

you're 100% correct the democratic party back then did support slavery and were behind jim crow laws, however, if you think that party is any representation of today's democratic party, you're either an idiot or intentionally obtuse.

Strange. I wonder if you'd be so forgiving if republicans had such an ugly history yet claimed to be reformed. Or if guys like Robert Byrd had an R after his name.

One might almost mistake this for being simple partisanship.

 

[Atreus21]

it's cute you think you're comparing apples to apples.
and very telling.

Isn't he? What's the substantive difference between this:

There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.

and this?

Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Isn't he? What's the substantive difference between this:



and this?

sad, I thought you were slightly educated. If you cannot see the difference, perhaps you can hear it. He (Obama) pauses for a while when he has to say immigrant and slave in the same sentence. But I'm inferring that. That's my take on it, I'm sure yours and others would be different.
Carson on the other other hand, spoke without pause and without inflection. So yes, there is a difference.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Strange. I wonder if you'd be so forgiving if republicans had such an ugly history yet claimed to be reformed. Or if guys like Robert Byrd had an R after his name.

One might almost mistake this for being simple partisanship.

I wouldn't forgive anyone who did that, what's your point god-boy?

 

[justoh]

You seem to be comparing the wrong quotes. Obama said "we're all immigrants." Case closed. Even the stupidest liberal should be able to follow that logic.

They are, by and large, racists, who just don't like it when minorities "step out of line," to borrow their phraseology.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You seem to be comparing the wrong quotes. Obama said "we're all immigrants." Case closed. Even the stupidest liberal should be able to follow that logic.

They are, by and large, racists, who just don't like it when minorities "step out of line," to borrow their phraseology.

and I thought even the most tone deaf conservative would be able to differentiate between them.

 

[justoh]

and I thought even the most tone deaf conservative would be able to differentiate between them.

Well, Carson was being kind of tongue-in-cheek. Obama made his statement rather coldly/matter of factly. Not a big difference though. Both perfectly fine. Carson just made the classic mistake of being Republican while black, so a non issue becomes one.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Well, Carson was being kind of tongue-in-cheek. Obama made his statement rather coldly/matter of factly. Not a big difference though. Both perfectly fine. Carson just made the classic mistake of being Republican while black, so a non issue becomes one.

slightly better than taj trolling, but not really that much.

 

[agent00f]

Reliably on the wrong side of history. Sort of like the democrats' historical and fervent support of slavery that they constantly explain away?

Reliable as in the proudly conservative dixiecrats and such; seems they ended up where they belong now.

Well, Carson was being kind of tongue-in-cheek. Obama made his statement rather coldly/matter of factly. Not a big difference though. Both perfectly fine. Carson just made the classic mistake of being Republican while black, so a non issue becomes one.

Carson has a history of parroting white nationalist talking points meant to diminish slavery and such. No big surprise who showed up to defend their guy.

 

[Paratus]

Abortion is worse than slavery. Slaves were deprived of their liberty, not necessarily their lives. The victims of abortion are deprived of both.

And the government in this case doesn't force the mother to raise the child. It forces the mother not to kill the child. She's free to put the child up for adoption or drop him or her off at a hospital if the child remains unwanted.

And incidentally, how is Obama's quote taken out of context? Reading the transcript of the speech doesn't do much do undermine the interpretation that he made the same point Carson did.

Well if the woman must to carry an unwanted fetus to term then it's going to require forced medical procedures in the worst cases. You know strapped to a hospital bed with IVs and forced surgical delivery otherwise the woman might just starve herself until she miscarries.

Now since many states and the federal govt wants to remove planned parenthood, insurance access to contraception, and promote abstinence only education demand for abortion from unwanted pregnancies
is going to rise.

Since forcing medical procedures is a-ok under this paradigm I think I see an excellent way to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

Pregnancies take two to tango. If a woman ends up with an unwanted pregnancy and is forced to carry the fetus that's a pretty good deterrent to not have sex. But what about the man? Obviously if the woman didn't want to be pregnant he was also to blame.

I think forcible surgical sterilization of the man is an excellent way to lower the rates of unwanted children.

No abortion, no morning after pills, no contraceptives, just irresponsible men and women punished for irresponsible sex.

The government can hold the man in jail until a doctor is available to snip snip. Then the govt can charge the offender for the procedure.

He can no longer have irresponsible sex resulting in unwanted children and serves as a warning to others. Both parties have their bodily autonomy violated by the state so it's fair. And importantly those of us who have never had an accidental pregnancy can feel self-righteous. Always the most important part of any reproductive law.


(The above is completely disgusted sarcasm for those who can't tell)