Belkin .11G router $9.99 AR, notebook card $14.99 AR

allisolm

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In case you STILL haven't gotten cheap wireless g stuff. And you can always try paying in $2 bills. ;) See this thread.

Best Buy 4/10-4/16
F5D7230 (7012412) Belkin 802.11g router w/4-port switch $9.99 after 2 $30 MIRs

Belkin notebook card F5D7010 (7012421) Belkin 802.11g notebook card $14.99 after $20 and $15 MIRs.

I have these items and they work fine for me. Haven't had a single drop or reset since Christmas.

edit: sorry Kane. I hit enter accidently before I put in the information.



 

Lanyap

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Thanks allisolm. I like to pick up these $10 routers for my neighbors. More of them are wanting wireless internet access and I'm usually the one that installs them so I like to get in on these low price deals to save them $$$.

 

TheTurk

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Great, finally I can throw away my junky Lynks G router that keeps kicking me out every so often, and get the good old Belkin.
Belkin is the best router.

Bestbuy rebates are always good.
 

soflawill

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Also, the Belkin lifetime warranty is a nice feature. Got in on last week's CompUsa sale of this router, the checkout person asked if I wanted to purchase the extended warranty that covered the router for two years after manufacturer's warranty ended. After thinking long and hard about it, I decided:

1. Not going to pay for an extended warranty on an item that was 14.99 AR, and

2. I really don't care if the router craps out less than two years after I die.
 

MIDIman

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Bummer - the notebook card is OOS.

I know CompUSA was doing a similar deal last week. Are there any other ~$10 routers going on this week?
 

tishoo

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Ahh, the tremendous Belkin 7230-4. Deserves a thread all its own :)

I own THREE of these, and will buy another. Why, you ask? Am I batty? No ... these fellas are capable of WDS (Wireless Distribution System) ... referred to, in layman's terms, as Bridging! Yes, buy 3 of these for $30 (remember the one address, one rebate 'rule') and set up a home bridged network.

I have 3 TiVos (temporarily 4), one game console, one Linksys Vonage device and 3 PCs connected to the 12 ports in my home network, all for $10 (and the extra cost of USB-Ethernet adapters for the TiVos). Eliminates the issue with wireless routers liking only one up/downstream connection at a time, and avoids seriously dropping the overall performance numbers when multiple devices communicate!

Oh, and for those of you who DO own laptops, with wireless adapters, they will hunt between the different bridged routers and connect to the one with bests ignal strength automatically!

This is a TREMENDOUS deal. It basically replicates the Linksys Sveasoft firmware functionality (with one shortcoming, no WPA when bridging! But you CAN MAC filter and block all but the other router/bridge/s on your network from connecting!)

I'm quoting (because links to the forum don't seem to be allowed?) a person (the guy on the TiVo Community Forums) who pointed the rest of us on to this deal/idea ... he summarized the whole thing yesterday ...

I started the ball rolling on the use of Belkin routers some months ago. I noticed at the time that the Belkin F5D7230-4 and F5F7231-4 routers support WDS (Wireless Distribution System), *PLUS*, they could be had cheap, often $10-20 AR (after rebate), or even FAR (free after rebate). Even picked up a router from Home Depot recently for $25 (price matched to Buy.com), w/ $40 rebate, so I made $15!

The reason this situation is so compelling for use w/ Tivo is a) the routers support WDS, so they can be bridged, b) they're dirt cheap (compared to a dedicated wireless bridge or game adapter, easily $80 or more), and c), support for "G" protocol.

So the basis of discussion in this forum has been to aquire these Belkin routers, configure them as APs (Access Point), and enable bridging. Thus, each Tivo can have its own dedicated AP. All it takes is adding a USB 2.0 ethernet adapter (e.g., D-Link DUB-E100), then patching it to the AP. Because all the wireless configuration lies outside the Tivo, it removes any limitations or restrictions on wireless imposed by Tivo (e.g., "b" only). You just want to make sure you use USB 2.0 ethernet adapters (as opposed to USB 1.1) to get the most bandwidth of the "G" protocol as possible.

There are several configurations possible. Some people use one of the Belkin routers *as* a router, the other routers are reconfigured as AP w/ bridging enabled on all devices. The WDS support makes this possible, something not typically found on competitive brands at this same price level.

In my case, I find the Belkin router, as a router, to be quite limited, doesn't provide all the features I'm come to expect w/ an advanced router, such as that found on my D-Link DI-624. Therefore, I've kept my DI-624 but disabled the wireless, then patched one of the Belkin routers in AP mode (and of course, bridging enabled) to the DI-624 w/ a simple ethernet patch cable. All other Belkin routers are also configured as APs w/ bridging enabled, but all these are patched to my Tivos. Of course, you can do the same thing w/ other network devices, like the family room PC, mom's laptop, whatever you like. IOW, I maintain the advantages of my DI-624 router (which doesn't support WDS, so it's not bridgeable), while gaining the advantages of the Belkin router's wireless WDS.

However you configure it, the "big deal" in this forum regarding the Belkin routers is that they support WDS, can therefore be bridged w/ other Belkin "G" routers (and of course, dedicated Belkin APs), and for a fraction of the cost of buying dedicated APs, game adapters, etc. We're not doing anything here in this forum wrt these Belkin routers that you couldn't accomplish w/ other brand routers, BUT, you would be forced to buy expense, dedicated APs/bridges for this purpose.

In my case, I've managed to aquire four (4) Belkin F5D7230-4 routers for a maybe $20 or so (after all rebates). No way, no how, can you build an equivalent distributed wireless system w/ the "G" protocol this cheaply EXCEPT w/ the Belkin line. As far as the SVEASOFT, some people are using this primarily to make the mediocre Belkin router, a better router. Since WDS is already supported, it doesn't have much more relevance to this discussion. In the case of Linksys, I believe SVEASOFT has *added* WDS support (don't hold me to that, I don't follow SVEASOFT advancements all that closely). In that case, it would obviously benefit the Linksys crowd, it would make Linksys capable of achieving the same thing, although you still can't beat the Belkin on pricing. Just beware that WDS, even when supported, is typically NOT interoperable across brands.

I hope that clears up a few things, it's not really as complex once you see it in action, it's a lot harder to explain than actually execute. It's just that not everyone is aware of the WDS/bridging capability built into the Belkin routers, so people usually don't recognize how easy and cheaply they can dramatically improve their wireless network, and in this case, Tivo specifically.

HTH

eibgrad

he he
enjoy!
HTH
tishoo

 

thelanx

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If I have wireless adaptors in my desktop and notebook, I really don't have a need for network bridges do I? It seems that wireless bridges are only usefull for devices that don't have wireless support themselves.
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: TheTurk
Great, finally I can throw away my junky Lynks G router that keeps kicking me out every so often, and get the good old Belkin.
Belkin is the best router.

Bestbuy rebates are always good.

I fell on the floor laughing from this post... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, belkin has the worst security, worst features, worst web admin I have ever used. I love my linksys WRT54G with updated firmware, belkin cant touch this with a 1000 foot pole.
 

tishoo

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Originally posted by: thelanx
If I have wireless adaptors in my desktop and notebook, I really don't have a need for network bridges do I? It seems that wireless bridges are only usefull for devices that don't have wireless support themselves.


Right and wrong.

Your network performance WILL increase, because wireless radios on traditional routers can either send or receive, and from/to one (wirelessly connected) device at a time, only - at max speed (which is already WAY lower than stated theoretical max speeds, most 54 mbps routers will do 10-15 mbps). Using a bridged network limits the maximum simultaneous connectsions to 1 (or 2, when you run 3 total bridges/rout, or 3 when your run 4 etc.) I've been able to move stuff tremendously fast between a TiVo on Router 2 and a PC on Router 3, while browsing the web on Router 3, via its bridged connection with Router 1 (which is connected to my Cable modem). If I had wireless adapters all around and the one wireless router connected to my cable modem, my TVoToGo transfer to my PC would be beamed down to Router 1, and then back up tot eh PC. SUPER slowly!
 

tishoo

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Originally posted by: Quasmo

I fell on the floor laughing from this post... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, belkin has the worst security, worst features, worst web admin I have ever used. I love my linksys WRT54G with updated firmware, belkin cant touch this with a 1000 foot pole.

Valid point (bad admin features) - that's why I use my old D-Link router with MUCH better admin tools as my central, MAC filtering, routing device that also serves (static) DHCP.

And my Belkins disallow G client connection (making them watertight), and only BRIDGE to the MAcs of the other 2 Belkins in the house. Even with WEP, I feel that's quite a secure setup.

I'm not saying the Linksys can't do this, but 3 Linksys Routers (WRT54Gs) would cost 180 after rebates. The Belkins are 30 after rebate. Less than half what I paid for my (otherwise defunct) DLink 802.11B router.
 

thelanx

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Originally posted by: tishoo
Originally posted by: thelanx
If I have wireless adaptors in my desktop and notebook, I really don't have a need for network bridges do I? It seems that wireless bridges are only usefull for devices that don't have wireless support themselves.


Right and wrong.

Your network performance WILL increase, because wireless radios on traditional routers can either send or receive, and from/to one (wirelessly connected) device at a time, only - at max speed (which is already WAY lower than stated theoretical max speeds, most 54 mbps routers will do 10-15 mbps). Using a bridged network limits the maximum simultaneous connectsions to 1 (or 2, when you run 3 total bridges/rout, or 3 when your run 4 etc.) I've been able to move stuff tremendously fast between a TiVo on Router 2 and a PC on Router 3, while browsing the web on Router 3, via its bridged connection with Router 1 (which is connected to my Cable modem). If I had wireless adapters all around and the one wireless router connected to my cable modem, my TVoToGo transfer to my PC would be beamed down to Router 1, and then back up tot eh PC. SUPER slowly!

I see, in this case it is also advisable to connect your pc to router 3 via wired connection to maximize speeds?

Also in your setup router 1 talks to routers 2 and 3, router 2 talks to 1 and 3, and router 3 talks to routers 1 and 2 right?
 

tishoo

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Originally posted by: thelanx
I see, in this case it is also advisable to connect your pc to router 3 via wired connection to maximize speeds?

Also in your setup router 1 talks to routers 2 and 3, router 2 talks to 1 and 3, and router 3 talks to routers 1 and 2 right?

Ahh, I did not explain myself well enough. There are NO (absolutely NONE!) wireless devices in my nework. Completely ZERO. Absolutely NADA. Everything (including said PC) is wired to one of the Belkins.

Router 1 is connected to the Cable modem (via my DLink router, but ignore that indirection for now!). MAC filtering lets it allow/seek out Router 2 and 3 to bridge with.

Router 2 and 3 see each other AND Router 3. I *thought* this would lead to race conditions (device on router 3 wants WEB access, Router 3 sees Router 2 as having strongest signal, and the conenction is Device->Router3->Router2->Router1. However, the WDS implementation seems smart enough to manage this instead as Device->Router3->Router1 directly! AND allows for Device->Router3->Router2->AnotherDevice connections seamlessly. (instead of going VIA Router1!)

In my topology/setup, Router 1 is on the 1st floor, Routers 2 and 3 are in different 3rd floor bedrooms (one's a den, with PC/s, the other has TiVo/s). Obviously, Router 2 and 3 are (relatively) VERY close together (1 wall in between them) while Router 2 is separated from them booth by two floors and a wall or two. I'm still absolutely amazed at my connection speeds and reliability.

They did a good job with that firmware :)

<edit> To answer your first question - yes, with this setup, try to minimize ALL other wireless connections, because its cheaper to use another Belkin 7230-4 (max 4 can be bridged!) instead of ANY kind of adapter! The only wireless device in my home is a spare TiVo that's for sale, and I haven't bothered to wire it in; instead I use the otherwise redundant D-Link DWL-122 USB-wireless 802.11B adapter, connecting to my D-Link 802.11B router (which is Uplinked via the 'WAN' port to the cable modem and handles routing.DHCP, MAC filtering etc.) The 3 Belkin routers are locked to G-only mode, and in my case, block any clients from connecting and don't broadcast SSID. The G and B networks run on channels (at least) 4 numbers apart (supposedly minimizes interference/harmonics)
 

noxhaven

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I recently received a postcard notice from Belkin notifying me that the $30 rebate I submitted for this router is not valid. This is what the postcard said:

Dear Customer: Thank you for participating in this promotion. Unfortunately we could not honor your request due to the following reason(s): F5D7230-4 54G ROUTER - The UPC barcode submitted is not eligible for this promotion.

WTH? If the barcode off of the Best Buy router that I bought was not eligible for the rebate, then why did Best Buy advertise that offer AND why did the rebate form print off of the cash register?

Has anyone else encountered this? And or does anyone have any advise on how to go about claiming my $30 rebate?

Thanks.


p.s. I photocopied everything before I mailed out the rebate in case something like this happened.

 

Harvey

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noxhaven -- I've occasionally run into problems like this where someone just gets it wrong. If you are sure your router is covered by this rebate program, phone the toll free number (800) 223-5546, and pursue your question with a real human being (if you can reach one). Sometimes, just having all the documentation in front of you cuts through a lot or operator malfunctions.

You can also contact them at their Rebate Online Inquiry page.

Good luck. :)
 

noxhaven

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Thanks Harvey.

What's weird is that when I go onto RebateHQ's website and search for my rebate status, it shows that it has been approved for payment. In that case, why would they send me that postcard?

I guess I'm the only one that received that notice. =P

 

ECartman

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one caveat....I have 3 Belkin routers also .... they do bridge and they are very very reliable. But you cannot use WPA in bridge mode. Belkin tech support confirms that it wont work. So if you need a secure wireless setup and want to use Beklin routers as bridges ...forget it.

Other than that it's a great dealio
 

Natsuki

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Originally posted by: ECartman
one caveat....I have 3 Belkin routers also .... they do bridge and they are very very reliable. But you cannot use WPA in bridge mode. Belkin tech support confirms that it wont work. So if you need a secure wireless setup and want to use Beklin routers as bridges ...forget it.

Use WEP and MAC Address filtering and that should be secure enough I believe.
 

ECartman

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Originally posted by: Natsuki
Originally posted by: ECartman
one caveat....I have 3 Belkin routers also .... they do bridge and they are very very reliable. But you cannot use WPA in bridge mode. Belkin tech support confirms that it wont work. So if you need a secure wireless setup and want to use Beklin routers as bridges ...forget it.

Use WEP and MAC Address filtering and that should be secure enough I believe.


Secure enuf but MAC addresses are easy to capture and spoof. WEP is supposedly breakable. But you're right it may be secure enuf for home use.