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Intel Pentium D 805
2x1GB sticks of any decent brand of PC2 6400
I suggest this memory, as it is going to be the standard for both AM2 and Core 2 Duo. You might as well have some future proof memory.
ASUS P5WD2-E Premium
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131589
I suggest this mainboard for several reasons.
1. This motherboard supports Core 2 Duo.
2. This motherboard should allow you to overclock any processor you put in it by a very large factor.(I know you said overclocking is not necessary, but it is nice to know that you can do it should you choose to)
2x1GB sticks of any decent brand of PC2 6400
I suggest this memory, as it is going to be the standard for both AM2 and Core 2 Duo. You might as well have some future proof memory.
ASUS P5WD2-E Premium
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131589
I suggest this mainboard for several reasons.
1. This motherboard supports Core 2 Duo.
2. This motherboard should allow you to overclock any processor you put in it by a very large factor.(I know you said overclocking is not necessary, but it is nice to know that you can do it should you choose to)
m1ldslide1
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For a workstation, I agree fully with dguy. Intel 805, 2 gigs of DDR2, plus whatever video card makes sense for you.
I have felt the heat from an 805 box and it is substantial. wouldnt get one if I were you. buy the lowest end conroe in a few months if you can wait
The heat argument is non existant even with the stock cooler as long as you use some common sense and have proper case air flow. However, if the original poster can wait, I would suggest Core 2 Duo over any processor out now.
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Wow, great advice guys. Thanks! Heat would not be an issue except for one thing. I have 5 HDs in my box... that alone is enough to cause major heat issues. I am going to start pricing all these and see what I should do.
I think I read that the conroes are due July 23rd?
I think I read that the conroes are due July 23rd?
Definatly a good motherboard, but unless they have a new revision now, there is still no gurantee it will support Core 2 Duo(Conroe). A new VRM is required, and as of this point, the only motherboard officialy able to support Core 2 Duo is the Intel 975x board with the most recent revision.
I would go with a 920 or 930 over the 805 if you aren't planning to overclock. The 9xx series runs a LOT cooler than the 8xx series.
The Asus site says "Support Intel next generation 65nm CPU" I would assume that they are referring to Conroe. I agree. The OP says that he has five harddrives, so the cooler the parts, the better.
except for the fact they are talking about preslers...IE 9xx series which are 65nm parts....A little stretch applying that to Core 2 Duo....
Frankly I would just hold still and get the real deal Conroe ( core 2 duo) when it comes out in 6 weeks and avoid that POS 805D heater...It is hot at stock....Get the cheapest conroe and you will be leaps ahead of it....
Unlike the talking heads above repeating the same crap endlessly I would avoid these chips....A stock 805D has not much appeal...If you run an app that is not heavy SMP aware you can get single processing power of a chip 3 years old....NO thanks...
EDIT: and I am not talking about Stevty....The 920-930 would be better but I still think the conroe is now worth the wait....
Listen to me...get a conroe 2mb cache chip when they come out and you will be very happy
Unlike the talking heads above repeating the same crap endlessly I would avoid these chips....A stock 805D has not much appeal...If you run an app that is not heavy SMP aware you can get single processing power of a chip 3 years old....NO thanks...
EDIT: and I am not talking about Stevty....The 920-930 would be better but I still think the conroe is now worth the wait....
Listen to me...get a conroe 2mb cache chip when they come out and you will be very happy
If you can wait, Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Extreme.
The 805 is a value chip. Nothing wrong with that. It's just good to know. 533MHz FSB, as opposed to 800MHz for the 900 series and rest of the 800 series chips.
If you need s.th. now, AMD chips tend to perform better (if you've been out of the loop, AMD wears the performance crown these day, though that should change with Core 2). AMD is supposed to very soon release very competitive power dissipation levels with Energy Efficient and Small Form Fact Energy Efficient versions of their chips.
I just upgraded my workstation with a new Quadro card today and put my other FireGL on FS Forum.
An overclocked workstation??? Are you kidding???
Jzl, could you let us know what kinds of things you will be doing, and we can probably help you better.
For Conroe, they ship on July 23rd, and you should be able to buy one retail within a couple of months from that date (Aug/Sept). The previews show that it will be a very good chip, but wait until the actual reviews of shipping systems come out (hype is often just that).
I would avoid the Pentium D completely, especially with the large power usage you already have on the system...unless you have a VERY expensive PSU and some very serious cooling.
A couple of things.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.
I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.
People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.
As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an overclocked workstation. You simply need to run some stability tests and make sure that your overclock is rock solid.
I hate to break it to you, but processors have not moved too far in the last three years. A 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 is more than enough for general workstation usage. The reason to get a Pentium D 805 is because it is both cheap and dual core.
People also like to way over estimate the power usage of the Pentium D chips. In the system in my signature, my power supply cost around $90 or so when back when I bought it. I do not know how much it is now. Nonetheless, I have enough power to put the highest end Pentium D in here, load up the entire case with optical and hard drives, and load up all of the usb ports and expansion slots with no problem. When buying a power supply, just know what brands are good and what brands you should avoid.
As suggested multiple times already, only get the Pentium D 805 if you cannot wait. If you can wait, then look at the low end Core 2 Duo processors.
The X2 3800+ is an absolute terrible value when compared to the Pentium D 805. $123 vs $297? Heat is only an issue for people who haven't a clue on how to build a pc.
Markfw
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No, heat is an issue when your central AC keeps running because it can't keep up with all the heat produced by 8xx series running hot. As for the price, at stock it way faster than an 805, and overclocked on similar priced motherboards and memory, its way faster also. I know, I have both. Do you ?
And nice insult dude. Do you OWN your own house and pay the electric bill ? On days when it gets over 90, I have to shut off my 805 and 820 systems, as the AC (2 1/2 ton unit for 1300 sq feet) can't keep up, no joke ! My other 5 X2 systems don't put out as much heat together as the 2 8xx series. I run Folding@Home, number 3 for Anandtech.
Maximilian
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Never ever buy a Pentium D 8xx series, if somone offers you one for a dollar take it and SELL it... theyre garbage, Intels whole 90nm line is garbage. Get a 9xx series pentium D, its built on the 65nm and the latest steppings put it in line with the AMD offerings power consumption wise, both idle and load. It consmes slightly more than the AMD chips but its leaps and bounds ahead of the 8xx series.
But i would also say wait for conroe, its only 6-weeks away. Itll totally be worth it too!
But i would also say wait for conroe, its only 6-weeks away. Itll totally be worth it too!
You guys just love bashing Intel, now don't you? Do you not remember why you went to AMD in the first place? They offered a better processor in the price vs performance category. The Pentium D 805 at $123 is far better than any AMD dual core in the price vs performance category. Considering that most Pentium D 805s overclock to 3.6Ghz and beyond with an aftermarket air cooler, they seem to be a pretty good value to me. Anandtech would also agree with me.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2736&p=11
You could say that I insulted someone, but I would think not. Common sense is something so basic that everyone should have it, but for some reason, many do not.
Also, I HIGHLY doubt that your Pentium D systems would cause your A/C unit to be on 24/7. They simply do not run that hot. My 820 system certainly does not affect my electric bill by too much of a factor. Not too much more than my old Athlon 64 system.
Anandtech seems to say that it does not use THAT much more power either(30-40% more at full load than an X2 3800+).
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2736&p=10
At stock, the X2 3800+ is faster, but it is nowhere near 100% faster, even though it costs more than 100% more. The Athlon 64 X2 3800+ usually overclocks to the 2.4-2.6Ghz range. The Pentium D 805 usually overclocks to the 3.6-4Ghz range. Both being that fast, they would be very close.
Calling the 8XX series trash is pure fanboyism, plain and simple. Loyalties to companies are quite pointless. Just buy and use whatever works best for you. Complaining when the Pentium D is not as fast as the MUCH higher priced Athlon 64 X2 processors is very rediculous and dull minded. I could say that the Athlon 64 3000+ is the biggest piece of trash on Earth because it is not as fast as a 3.8Ghz Pentium 4, however I do not as that is quite stupid(Their price difference is quite large). You should compare processors of similar price to each other. The Pentium D 805 and 820 are to be compared with what AMD has as competition for them, which is the Athlon 64 3200+ and Athlon 64 3500+ respectively, not the X2 processors.
I do not see why you all hate Intel so much. Are you trying to justify your purchase by defending it, or what? No one is trying to attack your choice either. The Athlon 64 is a damn good series, no one is questioning that. I am simply saying that the Pentium D 805 would be a great processor for a workstation on a budget. Yes, the Core 2 Duo is a MUCH better choice, and I suggest the user wait for it. However, if the user cannot wait and can only afford along the lines of the 805, then I suggest the 805, as that is the best processor in that price range.
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2736&p=11
You could say that I insulted someone, but I would think not. Common sense is something so basic that everyone should have it, but for some reason, many do not.
Also, I HIGHLY doubt that your Pentium D systems would cause your A/C unit to be on 24/7. They simply do not run that hot. My 820 system certainly does not affect my electric bill by too much of a factor. Not too much more than my old Athlon 64 system.
Anandtech seems to say that it does not use THAT much more power either(30-40% more at full load than an X2 3800+).
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2736&p=10
At stock, the X2 3800+ is faster, but it is nowhere near 100% faster, even though it costs more than 100% more. The Athlon 64 X2 3800+ usually overclocks to the 2.4-2.6Ghz range. The Pentium D 805 usually overclocks to the 3.6-4Ghz range. Both being that fast, they would be very close.
Calling the 8XX series trash is pure fanboyism, plain and simple. Loyalties to companies are quite pointless. Just buy and use whatever works best for you. Complaining when the Pentium D is not as fast as the MUCH higher priced Athlon 64 X2 processors is very rediculous and dull minded. I could say that the Athlon 64 3000+ is the biggest piece of trash on Earth because it is not as fast as a 3.8Ghz Pentium 4, however I do not as that is quite stupid(Their price difference is quite large). You should compare processors of similar price to each other. The Pentium D 805 and 820 are to be compared with what AMD has as competition for them, which is the Athlon 64 3200+ and Athlon 64 3500+ respectively, not the X2 processors.
I do not see why you all hate Intel so much. Are you trying to justify your purchase by defending it, or what? No one is trying to attack your choice either. The Athlon 64 is a damn good series, no one is questioning that. I am simply saying that the Pentium D 805 would be a great processor for a workstation on a budget. Yes, the Core 2 Duo is a MUCH better choice, and I suggest the user wait for it. However, if the user cannot wait and can only afford along the lines of the 805, then I suggest the 805, as that is the best processor in that price range.
I had a question about that, too. Didn't know if the OP actually meant a real workstation, in the sense of a high end computer little less than a server, or workstation in the sense of a plain ordinary desktop. If high-end workstation, then the 805 would be inappropriate. It's a value chip.
I take it you don't do much professional work on computers then...
Using an overclocked chip for a workstation is like building a Taxicab out of an old reconditioned VW bug...sure it can work, but it's far less reliable and breaks down more often.
In your sig, you have only a single HDD, a Radeon 850, and a single DVD with a 500w PSU.
For something like a graphics workstation, you're talking about a much higher end Vid card, 5 HDDs (either in raid or JBOD), multiple DVDs/CDs, and many USB connections. The power difference on the 805 alone is close to 100w at load if it's overclocked! That's 20% of your peak rated power (and no PSU is even close to 100% efficient).
And leave us not forget that you will need more fans for better cooling on the beast...even more load for the PSU.
The better choice (if you can't wait) is certainly an X2 3800 or higher...
So you need 4 screens output (2 dual head video cards...)
1. For the motherboard (depending on your budget), I would probably say the Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe. It should have everything you need built in (including Raid 5 if you want). About $235 USD
2. For the CPU, they range from the AMD Socket AM2 X2 3800+ to the X2 5000+...prices range from $287 to $685. Get what's in your budget...
3. You will need 2 dual head video cards, and since you aren't a gamer you won't need the expensive ones...but you will probably want dual DVI for the screens.
4. For Ram, most any DDR2 667 (PC2-5400) should do...definately go for the 2GB kit though as they are usually better matched than random value ram.
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