I work with SE's. Most sales engineers that we have were developers or programmers in a prior life. They move on to Sales Engineering since they tend to be technically sound and have the opportunity to make a lot of money as their compensation consists of commission + salary + bonuses. They also tend to be shuffled or get laid off pretty quickly if they do not perform.
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Originally posted by: Gibson486
/whips out his application for FE b/c his company is forcing him to take it
it's not that bad man. i went to the bar and had shots at the lunch break because i figured i had failed the first part. then i got the letter saying i passed W00T!
Safeway
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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: Gibson486
/whips out his application for FE b/c his company is forcing him to take it
/whips out his PE, EIT, and FE documents. Too bad I am in law school.
how bad was the PE?
Haven't taken it yet, just have the documents. I am an EIT though, just no longer IT since I'm in law school. If I don't do Intellectual Property, I'll do construction law -- and get my PE.
It annoys me too that 'engineer' has become such a diluted term...there was a thread ranting about someone calling themselves a domestic engineer...aka housewife.
However, I disagree that real engineers require an engineering license. Most engineers don't need one and no one has time to study for it when it doesn't make a difference for his career. While they may not call themselves PEs, they are still engineers in every sense of the word. I'm a biomedical engineer, and don't need a license to do my job so I'm not going to get one.
Remind me again, why do I have spandex-clad gun wielding wacko cyclists who aren't even out of college telling me what an engineer should and should not have?
Did I ask your opinion about this?
K thx bye.
Did I ask your opinion about this?
K thx bye.
Safeway
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You don't look like you'd be an asshole, you have that boyish face. Surprise, you are.
And why the fuck are your panties in a knot over the cycling thread? Because I had to defend against 50 uneducated ATOTers, including yourself, that give cyclists no leeway?
Spandex-clad -- No, they are Lycra.
Gun-welding -- Yes, I took and passed the concealed carry test.
Wacko -- Don't think so.
Cyclist -- Yea, I'm in shape.
If you want to give weight to my comments about flagrant gun usage, then you might also want to give weight to the 15 others that said they would enjoy killing cyclists on the road.
I don't know what's more entertaining: Safeway's continuous self-immolation or his comments on engineering. I think UCB EECS would find his engineering comments more entertaining.
The way you're describing it is similar to a Field Applications Engineer. They are not considered lowly at all. Those positions often require a lot of experience and technical skills.
Maybe your industry is a bit different though.
Maybe your industry is a bit different though.
Do the sales engineering thing and code your own shit for fun or profit on the side... epic win.
I have one or two acquaintances who are SE's who just quit their jobs to go freelance (ya! even with this economy they quit a good paying job). Interestingly they are both doing iPhone / OSX app programming.
I have one or two acquaintances who are SE's who just quit their jobs to go freelance (ya! even with this economy they quit a good paying job). Interestingly they are both doing iPhone / OSX app programming.
Not true about the math, really... I got a Ph.D. in chemical engineering was in applied math and was offered a sales engineering job that would be a combo of selling systems and components, do some tech trouble shooting, and some custom system design.
Job would be fun. I could work at home, travel some to go to tech. conferences, and talk with a lot really smart people doing a wide variety of different things.
I decided to a post-doc first though... but if the job is still there when I'm done I'm gonna seriously consider it.
Interestingly enough though... my only non-A grade in grad school was the chemE grad math class (lol)... i got a B+, i think. But i got A's in graduate solid-state physics, chemE fluid dynamics, reaction kinetics, and optimization (which is hardcore applied math), etc.... all of which have just as much math as the math class, so it is not like i suck at math.
Um, no. real engineers drive trains.
Actually, the license/PE is not necessarily a requirement anymore unless you are signing off on stuff. And, I do agree with your generality of throwing "engineer" at the end of a title to make is sound better. Engineer is either a train operator (or any other "antiquated" definitions") in addition to someone who practices natural sciences (physics, bio, chem) in an appropriate-to-real-world-applications fashion.
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