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Toasthead

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Originally posted by: mitmot
be happy you're still alive :p

seriously.

edit: and COME ON DUDE, this is AMERICA - SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE!!!!!
 

funkymatt

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you shouldnt have to pay rent for the entire time you don't have hot water. so if it's just a couple of days let them know about the great inconvenience and they may do some sort of rent proration.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: bonkers325
go to a doctor and ask for advice. if your health has been affected (showing symptoms of CO poisoning?) then sue and try to get a settlement or something.
CO has no lasting effects. Its only significant effect is to displace oxygen. Your red blood cells pick up the CO instead of O2. Thus you sufficate to death. As soon as you get out of the CO rich atmosphere into a normal one, you breath the CO out, and you are back to normal.

So the question becomes: did you get a severe brain injury? By his ability to post here, the answer is probably: no.

A doctor's test for CO is useless after you leave the area for more than a couple of hours since there is no longer any trace of CO in your body.
Umm

I could be wrong, but I really think you ought to check your facts and report back here.

That is not what I've heard.
 

Eli

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Did some research.

When Carbon Monoxide is inhaled, the CO combines with the hemoglobin to form carboxyhemoglobin or COHb. The CO displaces the oxygen on hemoglobin. The COHb bond is over 200 times stronger than oxygen's bond with hemoglobin. The strong COHb bond also makes it difficult for the body to eliminate CO from the blood. Carbon Monoxide can poison slowly over a period of several hours, even in low concentrations.

Symptoms such as headaches, dizziness and fatigue are common to a number of illnesses such as the flu or the common cold. These symptoms can occur with a COHb blood saturation levels of 10-30%. At 30-50% COHb symptoms are nausea, severe headaches, dizziness, and increased pulse and respiration. COHb levels over 50% cause progressive symptoms proceeding to loss of consciousness, collapse, convulsions, coma, and finally death.
High concentrations of carbon monoxide kill in less than five minutes. At low concentrations it will require a longer period of time to affect the body. Exceeding the EPA concentration of 9 ppm for more than 8 hours will have adverse health affects.

Thus, 25 - 30PPM is WAY too much.

You absolutely have rights when it comes to this, but they vary by state. Hopefully someone familiar with your states laws can come in and help you, but at the very least your rent should be reduced.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Eli
I could be wrong, but I really think you ought to check your facts and report back here.
You are wrong. If you can disprove what I said, be my guest.
When Carbon Monoxide is inhaled, the CO combines with the hemoglobin to form carboxyhemoglobin or COHb. The CO displaces the oxygen on hemoglobin. The COHb bond is over 200 times stronger than oxygen's bond with hemoglobin. The strong COHb bond also makes it difficult for the body to eliminate CO from the blood. Carbon Monoxide can poison slowly over a period of several hours, even in low concentrations.
Exactly what I said - it displaces your oxygen.
COHb levels over 50% cause progressive symptoms proceeding to loss of consciousness, collapse, convulsions, coma, and finally death.
Yes, that is what I said. With the lack of oxygen, your brain will die. Convulsions, coma, brain damage, death.

Care to actually disagree with me yet? I can give you hundreds/thousands of sources that all say the same thing. One example:
Carbon monoxide does not stay long in your system once you have stopped being exposed to it. To ensure the test is accurate it should be taken within 4 hours of exposure.

 

Eli

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I guess it's all realitive.

CO has no lasting effects. Its only significant effect is to displace oxygen. Your red blood cells pick up the CO instead of O2. Thus you sufficate to death. As soon as you get out of the CO rich atmosphere into a normal one, you breath the CO out, and you are back to normal.

That's what got me. You didn't actually specify a time frame, and for some reason your wording made me think "fast" - as in 5 minutes of fresh air and you're fine.

:)
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: Eli
That's what got me. You didn't actually specify a time frame, and for some reason your wording made me think "fast" - as in 5 minutes of fresh air and you're fine.
I suppose I could have put a time frame in that sentence. But I did include it later on in that post when I said you have a couple of hours where it can still be detected. Writing isn't my strongpoint.

 

0roo0roo

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stuff is bad long term, effects take a while from what i've read even if u live. long term potential effects

i'm mainly surprised carbon monoxide detector wasn't installed in the first place. aren't they practcally required?
 

AtlantaBob

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Suing is bad, mmkay? But they should compensate you if there's any significant trouble... I mean, it's no good to gripe about say, not having utilities for a few hours... but if I didn't have phone service for two weeks, there's no way am I paying the full priced phone bill.

Also, if the Best Western is truly gross, why not talk and see (with maybe a picture or two) and see if you can get slightly upgraded--Courtyard by Mariott, or something, not the Ritz Carleton...

Good luck.