Beautiful fonts?

Muse

Lifer
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Steve Jobs' death has had me investigating just who this guy was and I'm blown away. Below is a statement he made in his famous commencement address at Stanford in 2005, and it has me wondering if there are some beautiful fonts available (on my Windows XP laptop!) that will help me better appreciate the speech (and etc.). Ideas???
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Reed College at that time offered perhaps the best calligraphy instruction in the country. Throughout the campus every poster, every label on every drawer, was beautifully hand calligraphed. Because I had dropped out and didn't have to take the normal classes, I decided to take a calligraphy class to learn how to do this. I learned about serif and san serif typefaces, about varying the amount of space between different letter combinations, about what makes great typography great. It was beautiful, historical, artistically subtle in a way that science can't capture, and I found it fascinating.

None of this had even a hope of any practical application in my life. But ten years later, when we were designing the first Macintosh computer, it all came back to me. And we designed it all into the Mac. It was the first computer with beautiful typography. If I had never dropped in on that single course in college, the Mac would have never had multiple typefaces or proportionally spaced fonts. And since Windows just copied the Mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them. If I had never dropped out, I would have never dropped in on this calligraphy class, and personal computers might not have the wonderful typography that they do. Of course it was impossible to connect the dots looking forward when I was in college. But it was very, very clear looking backwards ten years later.

... the above from http://news.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html
 

rivan

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Must, resist... tackling the huge overstatement he's making about his (obviously substantial) personal importance in the evolution of desktop publishing.

I find Zapfino gorgeous, but it's not well suited to a large amount of text, being a script font. For a speech length document, I'm a huge fan of Caslon. It's classic, very legible and common enough that there will likely be free versions of it available. If it's a sans face you prefer, I'm a fan of Avenir and Univers.
 

alfa147x

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I think you guys are missing the big picture. The whole fonts portion was talking about how little things matter. How attention to detail can be a game changer.
 

TheStu

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Must, resist... tackling the huge overstatement he's making about his (obviously substantial) personal importance in the evolution of desktop publishing.

I find Zapfino gorgeous, but it's not well suited to a large amount of text, being a script font. For a speech length document, I'm a huge fan of Caslon. It's classic, very legible and common enough that there will likely be free versions of it available. If it's a sans face you prefer, I'm a fan of Avenir and Univers.

Way to resist
 

manly

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I think in general fonts have been commoditized by the Internet and operating systems, hardly anybody will pay for them nowadays and you can guess the average quality of free downloaded typefaces. MS admitted as much years ago when they created a few high-quality typefaces just for the Web, bundled with IE. The type foundries do still exist for the professional publishing industry, but that really doesn't affect consumers.

Personally I've always liked Adobe Garamond as an alternative to Times.
 

Muse

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Thanks for the very classy replies. I have tended to stick with Arial for both on screen viewing and printing, but I'll try the fonts suggested, assuming I have them in Windows or can download them.
 

jimhsu

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hardly anybody will pay for them nowadays and you can guess the average quality of free downloaded typefaces...

Yes, free fonts in general are quite .. bleh, but there are a few (e.g. (http://www.tenbytwenty.com/nevis.php) Nevis) non-abandonware free ones that I like enough to use as central type elements on websites. Used to have a list somewhere ... can't seem to find it now. Some others: Cicle (http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Cicle), SF new republic (http://www.dafont.com/sf-new-republic.font), League gothic (http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/fonts/7-league-gothic - lots of other brilliant open source fonts on that site BTW), etc etc
 
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deep16

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asking a wrong question may be , but need to know this .

1. what font does lion use ?
2. can that be used in ubuntu ? if yes then how ?
 

slashbinslashbash

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Adobe Garamond (not ITC Garmond) >> Times New Roman
Helvetica >> Arial

As for the speech, I don't think he was necessarily talking about any particular font. If you were around in ye olden days of DOS then you know that screen fonts came in one flavor (which you can still see in your BIOS boot screen, if your motherboard has a BIOS that is! Believe it or not, this font was actually built into the hardware) and that when you wanted to print a document, you had a choice of maybe a dozen typefaces that were built into your Dot Matrix printer (which you would choose by pressing a button on the front of the printer; usually you also had a choice of 10, 12, or 14 point sizes). The computer sent raw ASCII text to the printer, and the printer would spit them out in the chosen font and size.

I wrote many a homework essay in MS Word 5.0 for DOS. Back when Word was a word processor, not a typesetting or desktop publishing program. Each character was the same width as any other character; usually you could fit 80 characters across on a CGA, EGA, or VGA screen; and 25 lines from top to bottom. How they rendered on the printed page would differ depending on the font and size (and margins, etc.) you chose on the printer. The Windows 3.x "WYSIWYG" revolution made quite a big difference in how nice printed documents looked. But of course, that was basically a copy of the Mac.

You can see the original Macintosh fonts here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonts_on_Macintosh#Fonts_of_the_original_Macintosh
Original_Mac_fonts.png


This was in 1984, keep in mind. Windows 2.0 didn't come until almost 4 years later, and it still looked like this (notice it still just uses the basic system font for everything):

Windows_2.0.png


The Apple LaserWriter printer was just as big a deal, and it was introduced in 1985. A laser printer was head and shoulders above the quality of even high-end dot-matrix printers, which continued to dominate the PC market well into the 90's. You *could* produce true graphics on a dot-matrix, but they often looked pretty bad.

My point is, just about *any* modern font, even lowly Times New Roman, can be considered "beautiful" when compared with the state of the art from the early 80's when the Macintosh was developed.
 

Muse

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Must, resist... tackling the huge overstatement he's making about his (obviously substantial) personal importance in the evolution of desktop publishing.

I find Zapfino gorgeous, but it's not well suited to a large amount of text, being a script font. For a speech length document, I'm a huge fan of Caslon. It's classic, very legible and common enough that there will likely be free versions of it available. If it's a sans face you prefer, I'm a fan of Avenir and Univers.
Do you mean Casino? :confused: