Be careful what you wish for....

[counterstrikedude]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: marincounty
Ha ha. The OP is worried about the Dems fiscal discipline after the Repubs ran up trillions in debt. Nice.
It's OK for Repubs to spend like drunken sailors, but somehow the dems have to be fiscally responsible. This is similar to Repubs wanting a balanced budget after the huge deficits of Reagan.
Remember-deficits don't matter, Republicans said so.

How is Obama's 1.2 trillion dollar handout going to balance our budget?

Please, enlighten me.

It'll do better than the conservatives did

sad

That's the kind of attitude that destroys nations.

Total resentment of the current administration is not justification enough to support Obama.

and the idea that conservatives are collectively responsible for the united states' problems is even more absurd.

i guess that's the kinda crap obama spoon feeds his followers in his speeches.

So you think conservatives were succesfull in implementing there conservative policies? Or you think that me critising conservatives is somehow poisonous to America, yet you critising the potential actions of liberals is not poisonous?

uh, now you're just putting words in my mouth.

Personally, I don't think you have any arguments deeper than talking points. You have yet to show any depth on this forum at all, and whenever you are confronted you give a nonsense answer that makes no sense to try and spin your position (like how you just did).

i.
dont.
care.

I bet you liked Palin too didn't you?

not really, but liked her more than obama.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: marincounty
Ha ha. The OP is worried about the Dems fiscal discipline after the Repubs ran up trillions in debt. Nice.
It's OK for Repubs to spend like drunken sailors, but somehow the dems have to be fiscally responsible. This is similar to Repubs wanting a balanced budget after the huge deficits of Reagan.
Remember-deficits don't matter, Republicans said so.

How is Obama's 1.2 trillion dollar handout going to balance our budget?

Please, enlighten me.

It'll do better than the conservatives did

sad

That's the kind of attitude that destroys nations.

Total resentment of the current administration is not justification enough to support Obama.

and the idea that conservatives are collectively responsible for the united states' problems is even more absurd.

i guess that's the kinda crap obama spoon feeds his followers in his speeches.

So you think conservatives were succesfull in implementing there conservative policies? Or you think that me critising conservatives is somehow poisonous to America, yet you critising the potential actions of liberals is not poisonous?

uh, now you're just putting words in my mouth.

Personally, I don't think you have any arguments deeper than talking points. You have yet to show any depth on this forum at all, and whenever you are confronted you give a nonsense answer that makes no sense to try and spin your position (like how you just did).

i.
dont.
care.

I bet you liked Palin too didn't you?

not really, but liked her more than obama.

Didn't put words in your mouth, just analyzed what you said. Sad you can't explain your own blundering.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
You have nothing to worry about, the media will cover your asses either way. If the economy bottoms out and the world goes to war, they will continue to put the blame on Bush regardless. That, or they'll just cover everything up for Obama and pretend everything is hunky-dory as was done during the Clinton years.

QFT

I can't wait to here the spin when Obama follows through on his promises :laugh:

I think you mean "hear the spin". Anyway, I can't wait to see Obama follow through on his promises either, since that would be a first for most any politician. More importantly, I'd like to see how he's going to balance the budget while giving us universal healthcare and all the other goodies he promised. Like those eat-all-you-want diets, campaign promises are always too good to be true. Both McCain and Obama spent the majority of the campaign promising things neither had any intention of delivering.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
You have nothing to worry about, the media will cover your asses either way. If the economy bottoms out and the world goes to war, they will continue to put the blame on Bush regardless. That, or they'll just cover everything up for Obama and pretend everything is hunky-dory as was done during the Clinton years.

QFT

I can't wait to here the spin when Obama follows through on his promises :laugh:

I think you mean "hear the spin". Anyway, I can't wait to see Obama follow through on his promises either, since that would be a first for most any politician. More importantly, I'd like to see how he's going to balance the budget while giving us universal healthcare and all the other goodies he promised. Like those eat-all-you-want diets, campaign promises are always too good to be true. Both McCain and Obama spent the majority of the campaign promising things neither had any intention of delivering.

The US spend more per citizen on healthcare already than countries with socialized healthcare systems. It's a matter of making sure money is spent in the correct place and more efficient usage of the money. As it is now, the US is throwing money on a fire wondering why its being burned.

You are right, I meant I can't wait to hear the spin when he does follow through

 

[stlcardinals]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: marincounty
Ha ha. The OP is worried about the Dems fiscal discipline after the Repubs ran up trillions in debt. Nice.
It's OK for Repubs to spend like drunken sailors, but somehow the dems have to be fiscally responsible. This is similar to Repubs wanting a balanced budget after the huge deficits of Reagan.
Remember-deficits don't matter, Republicans said so.

How is Obama's 1.2 trillion dollar handout going to balance our budget?

Please, enlighten me.

It'll do better than the conservatives did

sad

That's the kind of attitude that destroys nations.

Total resentment of the current administration is not justification enough to support Obama.

and the idea that conservatives are collectively responsible for the united states' problems is even more absurd.

i guess that's the kinda crap obama spoon feeds his followers in his speeches.

So you think conservatives were succesfull in implementing there conservative policies? Or you think that me critising conservatives is somehow poisonous to America, yet you critising the potential actions of liberals is not poisonous?


Personally, I don't think you have any arguments deeper than talking points. You have yet to show any depth on this forum at all, and whenever you are confronted you give a nonsense answer that makes no sense to try and spin your position (like how you just did). I bet you liked Palin too didn't you?

The Republicans that held the power for Bush's first 6 years were hardly conservatives.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: RichardE

The US spend more per citizen on healthcare already than countries with socialized healthcare systems. It's a matter of making sure money is spent in the correct place and more efficient usage of the money. As it is now, the US is throwing money on a fire wondering why its being burned.

You expect "more efficient usage of the money" from gov't?!? :laugh: Best of luck with that . . . and balancing the budget!!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: stlcardinals

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: counterstrikedude

Originally posted by: marincounty
Ha ha. The OP is worried about the Dems fiscal discipline after the Repubs ran up trillions in debt. Nice.
It's OK for Repubs to spend like drunken sailors, but somehow the dems have to be fiscally responsible. This is similar to Repubs wanting a balanced budget after the huge deficits of Reagan.
Remember-deficits don't matter, Republicans said so.

How is Obama's 1.2 trillion dollar handout going to balance our budget?

Please, enlighten me.

It'll do better than the conservatives did

sad

That's the kind of attitude that destroys nations.

Total resentment of the current administration is not justification enough to support Obama.

and the idea that conservatives are collectively responsible for the united states' problems is even more absurd.

i guess that's the kinda crap obama spoon feeds his followers in his speeches.

So you think conservatives were succesfull in implementing there conservative policies? Or you think that me critising conservatives is somehow poisonous to America, yet you critising the potential actions of liberals is not poisonous?


Personally, I don't think you have any arguments deeper than talking points. You have yet to show any depth on this forum at all, and whenever you are confronted you give a nonsense answer that makes no sense to try and spin your position (like how you just did). I bet you liked Palin too didn't you?

The Republicans that held the power for Bush's first 6 years were hardly conservatives.

You sure? They sure thought they were :laugh:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RichardE

The US spend more per citizen on healthcare already than countries with socialized healthcare systems. It's a matter of making sure money is spent in the correct place and more efficient usage of the money. As it is now, the US is throwing money on a fire wondering why its being burned.

You expect "more efficient usage of the money" from gov't?!? :laugh: Best of luck with that . . . and balancing the budget!!

:laugh: Yeah, because since other countries can do it, that means American definatly cannot :laugh:

....

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RichardE

The US spend more per citizen on healthcare already than countries with socialized healthcare systems. It's a matter of making sure money is spent in the correct place and more efficient usage of the money. As it is now, the US is throwing money on a fire wondering why its being burned.

You expect "more efficient usage of the money" from gov't?!? :laugh: Best of luck with that . . . and balancing the budget!!

:laugh: Yeah, because since other countries can do it, that means American definatly cannot :laugh:

....

What other countries? Regardless, it's going to cost more if our gov't does it - it always does.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
You have nothing to worry about, the media will cover your asses either way. If the economy bottoms out and the world goes to war, they will continue to put the blame on Bush regardless. That, or they'll just cover everything up for Obama and pretend everything is hunky-dory as was done during the Clinton years.

Maybe (and this would be the silver lining) ... the media could have been promoting BHO because they know that, between him and foot-in-the-mouth Joe Biden, they are guaranteed a steady stream of scandals (he is from Chicago, Cook County, Illinois after all), gaffs, mistakes, and controversy to report on.

Nobody supports the media like themselves ... "if there's no news, make some"

Mayor Daley has already gone up three octaves (yesterday) about how the press is always so negative about BHO and his crew.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: RichardE

The US spend more per citizen on healthcare already than countries with socialized healthcare systems. It's a matter of making sure money is spent in the correct place and more efficient usage of the money. As it is now, the US is throwing money on a fire wondering why its being burned.

You expect "more efficient usage of the money" from gov't?!? :laugh: Best of luck with that . . . and balancing the budget!!

:laugh: Yeah, because since other countries can do it, that means American definatly cannot :laugh:

....

What other countries? Regardless, it's going to cost more if our gov't does it - it always does.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf

There is a bunch there :laugh:

You would think for spending twice per much as Canada does on Health care (and 2k as much as the nearest country) as well as at least 5% more GDP the US could insure everyone, and have better care. Like I said, throwing money on the fire and wondering why its burning.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: techs
Dems didn't get what they wished for. They still have a radical right wing Republican Senate base that can thwart any real change.

Guess your premise for this thread is false.

Ahh... the excuses begin.

"How can we do what we promised? We only controlled 90% of the government!"

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

I think you mean "hear the spin". Anyway, I can't wait to see Obama follow through on his promises either, since that would be a first for most any politician. More importantly, I'd like to see how he's going to balance the budget while giving us universal healthcare and all the other goodies he promised. Like those eat-all-you-want diets, campaign promises are always too good to be true. Both McCain and Obama spent the majority of the campaign promising things neither had any intention of delivering.

Republicans still control the Senate, forget about any promises.

I look forward to Obam repairing the image of our nation in regards to world status.

I look forward to higher taxes to repair issues we have at home.

I look forward to Reoublicans leaving our country thanks to said taxes increase.

 

[AFMatt]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: techs
Dems didn't get what they wished for. They still have a radical right wing Republican Senate base that can thwart any real change.

Guess your premise for this thread is false.

Ahh... the excuses begin.

"How can we do what we promised? We only controlled 90% of the government!"

It's funny to see that argument/excuse come up since it didn't stop the Dems from increasing defecit spending over the past 2 years. Sadly, people will continue to use that excuse many times over the next 4 years, along with the "But Bush made it imposs...blah blah blah" excuse, generally without even checking the vote counts or contents of the bills.

Obama delivering on his talks of change, taxes, and spending is about as reliable as when Bush Sr. said "read my lips, no new taxes."

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: techs
Dems didn't get what they wished for. They still have a radical right wing Republican Senate base that can thwart any real change.

Guess your premise for this thread is false.

Ahh... the excuses begin.

"How can we do what we promised? We only controlled 90% of the government!"

It's funny to see that argument/excuse come up since it didn't stop the Dems from increasing defecit spending over the past 2 years.

Sadly, people will continue to use that excuse many times over the next 4 years,

along with the "But Bush made it imposs...blah blah blah" excuse, generally without even checking the vote counts or contents of the bills.

Obama delivering on his talks of change, taxes, and spending is about as reliable as when Bush Sr. said "read my lips, no new taxes."

WWYBYWB?

Liar Liar Liar

How did you expect Dems to do anything with a Reoublican dead heat in congress and Bush?

 

[CPA]

I don't see how they can put pay-go into place and stick with it when they still are considering funding additional bailouts (auto industry) and stimulus packages (tax rebates, infrastructure programs, etc).

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: techs
Dems didn't get what they wished for. They still have a radical right wing Republican Senate base that can thwart any real change.

Guess your premise for this thread is false.

Ahh... the excuses begin.

"How can we do what we promised? We only controlled 90% of the government!"

It's funny to see that argument/excuse come up since it didn't stop the Dems from increasing defecit spending over the past 2 years. Sadly, people will continue to use that excuse many times over the next 4 years, along with the "But Bush made it imposs...blah blah blah" excuse, generally without even checking the vote counts or contents of the bills.

Obama delivering on his talks of change, taxes, and spending is about as reliable as when Bush Sr. said "read my lips, no new taxes."

Exactly. For the last year, Obama has been touting all this "change": balanced budget, fewer taxes, more jobs, etc. But before the polls had even closed, the media was already making excuses and flat out saying "ok, it's time we reset expectations!"

WHAT?! Reset expectations from TWELVE HOURS AGO? What's changed, other than Obama winning, which was supposed to be the magic cure to our cancer?

(In the interest of full disclosure, I did in fact vote for Obama, but not because I thought he could deliver)

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: AFMatt

Obama delivering on his talks of change, taxes, and spending is about as reliable as when Bush Sr. said "read my lips, no new taxes."

You can also add Clinton's middle class tax cut and universal healthcare to the campaign promises graveyard.