The system was supposed to avoid the possibility of having TWO teams that can claim they are national champions.
It hasn't worked yet.
The system was supposed to avoid the possibility of having TWO teams that can claim they are national champions.
It hasn't worked yet.
believe me, the alumni far outweighs the students in bowl games as it is.
they are ones with MONEY to travel across country. how many students do you know ( i sure as hell wasnt one of them) that could follow my team around in an RV or afford flights to here and there. there are students that can go, but they are also the ones having mommy and daddy buy their plane tickets and pay for their school and whatnot.
sorry, it cant work. there would have to be homefield for the top seeds for the first round.
It's a good thing the BCS system was in place for your two examples. Because if it relied on human polls (which was the target of the "penalized for losing late" statement), then those two teams would've be SOL. How else can you explain the fact that USC is ahead of LSU?
LSU is number 2 in the polls. They lost on October 11 to the No. 17 ranked Gators. They then rattled off quality wins against Alabama Mississippi, Arkansas, and No. 5 Georgia. The only close game was against a tough Mississippi team.
USC lost on Sept 27 to an average Cal team. The only ranked opponent they beat since is WSU.
OU lost to a strong, ranked KSU team. Previously, OU was unanimous No. 1. After that loss, 55 of the 63 Media voters and 63! out of the 65 AP writers dropped them from number 1. How in the world do they justify dropping them below USC?? Strength of Schedule? Nope, OU's is higher. Quality wins? Nope, OU has more. Better conference? ROFLMAO.
The only reason is the date they lost. It's simple, if you lose you drop. If you win you will not be passed by a lesser team.
Oklahoma and Nebraska should be thankful that the BCS has other factors besides the human polls.
BTW, if you could tell me what Nebraskas AP ranking was after the loss, I would appreciate it. Also, how many other undefeated, 1 loss or 2 loss teams that year.
Fine then, let there be homefield. That is how it is done in D 1-AA, II and III right?
And I wasn't referring to students. I was referring to the general public. The Super Bowl was here in Atlanta a few years ago. I am not a fan of the Rams or the Titans, but I went. You don't have to have a bunch of people travel across country to sell out a football game.
Actually, it would be #8 and #9. And I would feel a LOT better about leaving out #9 than #3, like we do now.
Teams get left out of the basketball tournament too.
Imagine if only the top 4 teams in college basketball got the chance to play for the national championship.
Gotcha.
I thought you were referring to my posts about using the current BCS bowls as a platform for a playoff system. Originally posted by: mpitts
Gotcha.
there will always be a controversy, if we took in 100, then there would be the 100 vs 101 controversy. in the NCAA BBall tourney there is a 64 to 65 controversy every year, but how many people demand getting rid of the tourney because of that??
the point is, most of us could live with SOME kind of playoff. my idea works because it gives us SOME playoff indications without changing the status quo very much. even going 8 teams would increase the whole thing one week more than my idea would.
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You talk about fans which haven't missed a game in years. That would mean they go to all the games, home and away. Those fans are therefore travelling away every other week anyways during the regular season - what is a couple more trips during the offseason?
Or are you ignoring the away games - which those fans watch on TV?
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LSU lost by 12, USC lost in tripple overtime. Oklahoma lost 35 to 7. Point margin has a major effect in the human polls. Getting absolutely blown away puts you behind the other 1 loss teams that barely lost that one game. If USC lost to Cal 35 to 7, I guarantee LSU would be #1 not #2. Date had nothing to do with it.
lets talk ticketing now.
with no certainty of your team going to the next round...that would be a logistical nightmare for the athletic depts ticket offices.
that would have to be a massive effort getting 80,000 tickets distributed. doled out to the respective universities, the casual observers or whoever wanted to go the game.
im for playoffs, but...this isnt basketball where you have to deal with maybe 15,000 ppl at a game. it could be 100,000 ppl were a game held at the rosebowl. 100,000 tickets in a week. 20,000 a day. i dont know of a single ticket office that could handle demand like that.
EDIT: like i said, i dont disagree with you man on your ideas, im just being realistic here. you arent dealing with a perfect world, where it just falls into place without effort. this would be a major undertaking to do a complete overhaul.
I have no problem with them being number 4. But a lot of it has to do with where they were ranked at the beginning of the year ("hollywood hype machine") and the error in human polls due to losing late. The AP rankings for 2 loss teams are: UM, Texas, Tenn, OSU. UM lost on 10/04, Texas and Tenn lost on 10/11 and OSU lost on 11/22. That is not a coincidence. If UM had won that game vs. Iowa but lost a couple of weeks later, you would surely see a lower ranked UM team.
Besides, it wouldn't be unheard of to rank a team that UM beat, say OSU, ahead of them. It sounds stupid at first, but look at where FSU is in relation to Miami.
How does the Super Bowl do it? They play the Super Bowl a week after the conference championship game.
Demand for those tickets begin the day a team gets into the playoffs (and even months before that), not the day they are in the Super Bowl.
How do conference championship games in college do it? Georgia didn't know they were going to be playing in the SEC championship game until 7 days before the game was played. There wasn't an unsold ticket for that game, and that dome holds more than 70K people.
You are looking at this in a very myopic way. It isn't just going to be people who live and went to Oklahoma that would buy tickets to a national semi-final/final tickets if OU was in an 8-team playoff.
I keep seeing people asying playoffs won't and can't work in college football. Yet, NCAA Div's I-AA, II, II all have playoffs for their nat'l championships......and there are LOTS of I-AA schools. Not every school in the country is I-A. And let's get serious about what big-time college football really is: just the minor leagues for the NFL. Most of the major colleges, notice I didn't say ALL of them because there are notable exceptions, but most have dismal graduation rates among players and even when they graduate, a good majority are not up to the level of their contemporaries they are "graduating" with.
I'd personally like to see the major bowls go back to being a reward for the conferences, like they used to be. We are seeing a Rose Bowl that unintentionally is a reflection of what the Rose Bowl used to be.
I'd personally like to see the major bowls go back to being a reward for the conferences, like they used to be. We are seeing a Rose Bowl that unintentionally is a reflection of what the Rose Bowl used to be.
Margin of victory/defeat does not account for OSU still receiving first place votes well into the season despite barely escaping 3 of its first 4 victories while OU mauled through it's opponents (see gistech's sig) and was not a unanimous pick until all other teams lost. How can you not agree with the fact that human polls show that if you lose, you drop and if you win you will not get leapfrogged? For every 3 examples where this is not the case, there are hundreds more that show it is.
there are 2 weeks between the conf championship game and the SB in the NFL.
there were 2 weeks for the conf championship games, at least in the big 12. and in those cases they are known (not ALL the time) who's going or not going.
OK, with that reasoning you're saying even if USC went into the game 11-0 and lost in triple overtime to Cal in the last game of the year to make their record 11-1 and Oklahoma lost 35-7 to KState earlier in the year to go maybe 1-1 then win the next 11 games to finish at their 12-1, USC would still be #1? If you really think that, you're just kidding yourself. Oklahoma would be the #1 team and USC would fall down to #3. Date matters big time.
Not to mention that Oklahoma was pretty much guaranteed to be in the BCS title game so a let down versus K State was inevitable IMHO. I know I predicted it but yet, they still went down in the polls.
There are NOT two weeks between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. There USED to be, but not anymore.
There are times when people don't know who will be playing in a conference championship game until 7 days before it is played. It happens. It happened this year. Tickets are still sold. People still go to the game. People still watch on TV and advertisers still pay networks. Money is still made everywhere.
okay, you are right
i stand corrected. sorry about that.
last year it was one week...i thought the only year they did that was in 2001 b/c of 9-11.
when did they change that?
I am a U of M fan if it wasn't obvious enough before. Seriously though, before everyone knocks the system for being unfair (ie. USC not going to the championship game and TCU not potentially going to a BCS Bowl earlier in the season) shouldn't we see if it pans out that the computers were right and USC wasn't a strong enough team to play for the National Championship. If Michigan wins, there is no real argument other than that the "people's choice" wasn't sent to the championship. If USC wins, then talk about fixing this thing or getting rid of the BCS altogether because it obviously didn't do what it was intended to (eliminate co-national champs).
16 team or 8 team playoff would be good but there isn't enough time. the team that wins the most and goes to the 'college bowl' is out of school for so long. These are college atheletes. it's not really fair for them to be out of class.
once more. THAT'S WHY I PROPOSED A 4 TEAM PLAYOFF. it IS a playoff, the controversy would not be anywhere NEAR as strong as it is now. and VERY little would have to change.
you would take 2 bowl games to play the finals on jan 1, 2 and then play the final game in another bowl game on jan 8 or so.
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