*BCS Top 5 Standings Shakeup*

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

I'm not saying UGA is better or worse than LSU on the season. I'm saying that when a team goes 1-1 in a 2 week span and moves from #1 to #7 back to #2 and bypasses a team that went 1-0 in the same time span and was ranked 3 spots ahead, then someone wasn't paying attention when they voted. How is that not the very definition of "inconsistent"?

I agree with you completely. It is very unfair to Georgia. There is no rule saying you have to win your conference to play for the NC but it seems that the voters don't like for it to happen.

What's unfair to UGA is that their coach didn't start coaching until an embarrassing loss to SC, a blowout loss to UT and a squeaker vs Vandy.

Why should a team that isn't good enough to win their conf division be good enough to play for a NC? I would agrue that OU, VT and USC are all more deserving of a title shot than UGA.

You lost all credibility when you brought up USC. How does a team with only one victory over a ranked opponent who literally lost in the "biggest upset ever" (pointspread) to Stanford deserve to play for the NC more than a team that is 2-1 against the current Top 25? They only even won their conference because Oregon kept losing after Dennis Dixon went down. Do you believe everything you hear on ESPN?

If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

I'm not saying UGA is better or worse than LSU on the season. I'm saying that when a team goes 1-1 in a 2 week span and moves from #1 to #7 back to #2 and bypasses a team that went 1-0 in the same time span and was ranked 3 spots ahead, then someone wasn't paying attention when they voted. How is that not the very definition of "inconsistent"?

I agree with you completely. It is very unfair to Georgia. There is no rule saying you have to win your conference to play for the NC but it seems that the voters don't like for it to happen.

What's unfair to UGA is that their coach didn't start coaching until an embarrassing loss to SC, a blowout loss to UT and a squeaker vs Vandy.

Why should a team that isn't good enough to win their conf division be good enough to play for a NC? I would agrue that OU, VT and USC are all more deserving of a title shot than UGA.

You lost all credibility when you brought up USC. How does a team with only one victory over a ranked opponent who literally lost in the "biggest upset ever" (pointspread) to Stanford deserve to play for the NC more than a team that is 2-1 against the current Top 25? They only even won their conference because Oregon kept losing after Dennis Dixon went down. Do you believe everything you hear on ESPN?

If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

All I'm saying is don't give credit where credit isn't due. USC lucked out when Dixon went down, but it's their own fault they didn't stick Sanchez in sooner.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

I'm not saying UGA is better or worse than LSU on the season. I'm saying that when a team goes 1-1 in a 2 week span and moves from #1 to #7 back to #2 and bypasses a team that went 1-0 in the same time span and was ranked 3 spots ahead, then someone wasn't paying attention when they voted. How is that not the very definition of "inconsistent"?

I agree with you completely. It is very unfair to Georgia. There is no rule saying you have to win your conference to play for the NC but it seems that the voters don't like for it to happen.

What's unfair to UGA is that their coach didn't start coaching until an embarrassing loss to SC, a blowout loss to UT and a squeaker vs Vandy.

Why should a team that isn't good enough to win their conf division be good enough to play for a NC? I would agrue that OU, VT and USC are all more deserving of a title shot than UGA.

You lost all credibility when you brought up USC. How does a team with only one victory over a ranked opponent who literally lost in the "biggest upset ever" (pointspread) to Stanford deserve to play for the NC more than a team that is 2-1 against the current Top 25? They only even won their conference because Oregon kept losing after Dennis Dixon went down. Do you believe everything you hear on ESPN?

also, what about the ass whopping that tenn laid on georgia (same tenn that lost to 6-6 cal), sorry IMO no team that got blown out by any other team deserves to be in the NC game, probably why VT got passed over too

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

I'm not saying UGA is better or worse than LSU on the season. I'm saying that when a team goes 1-1 in a 2 week span and moves from #1 to #7 back to #2 and bypasses a team that went 1-0 in the same time span and was ranked 3 spots ahead, then someone wasn't paying attention when they voted. How is that not the very definition of "inconsistent"?

I agree with you completely. It is very unfair to Georgia. There is no rule saying you have to win your conference to play for the NC but it seems that the voters don't like for it to happen.

What's unfair to UGA is that their coach didn't start coaching until an embarrassing loss to SC, a blowout loss to UT and a squeaker vs Vandy.

Why should a team that isn't good enough to win their conf division be good enough to play for a NC? I would agrue that OU, VT and USC are all more deserving of a title shot than UGA.

You lost all credibility when you brought up USC. How does a team with only one victory over a ranked opponent who literally lost in the "biggest upset ever" (pointspread) to Stanford deserve to play for the NC more than a team that is 2-1 against the current Top 25? They only even won their conference because Oregon kept losing after Dennis Dixon went down. Do you believe everything you hear on ESPN?

If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

All I'm saying is don't give credit where credit isn't due. USC lucked out when Dixon went down, but it's their own fault they didn't stick Sanchez in sooner.

hey man, it's your argument not mine. It's been one fucked up season for college fb in general.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Ns1
It's been one fucked up season for college fb in general.

Now that is something I think we can all agree on.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Alkaline5

I'm not saying UGA is better or worse than LSU on the season. I'm saying that when a team goes 1-1 in a 2 week span and moves from #1 to #7 back to #2 and bypasses a team that went 1-0 in the same time span and was ranked 3 spots ahead, then someone wasn't paying attention when they voted. How is that not the very definition of "inconsistent"?

I agree with you completely. It is very unfair to Georgia. There is no rule saying you have to win your conference to play for the NC but it seems that the voters don't like for it to happen.

What's unfair to UGA is that their coach didn't start coaching until an embarrassing loss to SC, a blowout loss to UT and a squeaker vs Vandy.

Why should a team that isn't good enough to win their conf division be good enough to play for a NC? I would agrue that OU, VT and USC are all more deserving of a title shot than UGA.

You lost all credibility when you brought up USC. How does a team with only one victory over a ranked opponent who literally lost in the "biggest upset ever" (pointspread) to Stanford deserve to play for the NC more than a team that is 2-1 against the current Top 25? They only even won their conference because Oregon kept losing after Dennis Dixon went down. Do you believe everything you hear on ESPN?

If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

All I'm saying is don't give credit where credit isn't due. USC lucked out when Dixon went down, but it's their own fault they didn't stick Sanchez in sooner.

hey man, it's your argument not mine. It's been one fucked up season for college fb in general.

So true. I was always against a playoff, but after this season I think it's a must.

 

[Chryso]

Originally posted by: Ns1
If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

Meh, it shouldn't take Booty to beat Stanford.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Ns1
If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

Meh, it shouldn't take Booty to beat Stanford.

you are right, i dont think usc deserve to be in the NC game this season, but no team has a really strong case , i guess lsu/osu is a fair compromise

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Chryso

Originally posted by: Ns1
If you want to argue "they only won their conference because dixon went down" then you have to say "they only lost their games because booty broke a finger"

Meh, it shouldn't take Booty to beat Stanford.

you are right, i dont think usc deserve to be in the NC game this season, but no team has a really strong case , i guess lsu/osu is a fair compromise

agreed

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

if you want a laugh look at OSU's bowl record vs the SEC

 

[fustercluck]

Bah, after that crazy ass college football season we end up with a couple of regulars in the BCS bowl 😛 - Ah well. I'm ok with LSU being there, but I don't like Ohio St being there, they played a pretty soft schedule. I'd of put in USC or Oklahoma ahead of them without much thought at all. Sucks to see another undefeated team not be able to play for the championship. Hawaii tried to schedule tougher games, but no one wanted to play them (or so I hear). Maybe if we all complain more we'll get a playoff system soon 😀

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: ropeadope
Hawaii tried to schedule tougher games, but no one wanted to play them (or so I hear). Maybe if we all complain more we'll get a playoff system soon 😀

Hawaii didn't try very hard. Fresno State will go and play anyone anywhere. Hawaii didn't even want a home and home, they wanted teams that would travel to them, with no reciprocation.

USC did do a home and home with Hawaii a few years back.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

if you want a laugh look at OSU's bowl record vs the SEC

30 years of history doesn't mean anything for this year. i for one hope history will be challenged.

 

[kalster]

USC did do a home and home with Hawaii a few years back.

score of the game in 2005 was
usc 63, hawaii 17 😉

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: kalster

USC did do a home and home with Hawaii a few years back.

score of the game in 2005 was
usc 63, hawaii 17 😉

Haha yea. I would expect if they played this year, that Hawaii would keep it much closer as their Offense has to be at least decent against good teams, and their defense won't be quite as bad as it was back then.

-Kevin

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

Well then maybe the conference should send its #3 team to play the others #3 team. Don't they teach comparison (<, >, =) operations in the SEC?

Last year the Big10 sent two teams to BCS games. This left the #3 Big10 team (#5 ranked Wisky) for the CapitalOne bowl. They played - and beat - Arkansas who was the SEC West champ. Penn State punked Tennessee in the Outback bowl but I have no idea what number they were in the SEC.

So your blanket statement has at least one hole in it. Not that this will dissuade you from somehow thinking up a reason the SEC is god's gift to college football.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

Well then maybe the conference should send its #3 team to play the others #3 team. Don't they teach comparison (<, >, =) operations in the SEC?

Last year the Big10 sent two teams to BCS games. This left the #3 Big10 team (#5 ranked Wisky) for the CapitalOne bowl. They played - and beat - Arkansas who was the SEC West champ. Penn State punked Tennessee in the Outback bowl but I have no idea what number they were in the SEC.

So your blanket statement has at least one hole in it. Not that this will dissuade you from somehow thinking up a reason the SEC is god's gift to college football.

Tennessee was around the #5 team in the SEC last year. Maybe even lower. Can't believe we lost that PSU game because of some fluke fumble that took a fluke bounce into a sprinting PSU player's hands. Ah well such is life.

And the SEC IS god's gift to college football. Just look at the ladies.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

Not that this will dissuade you from somehow thinking up a reason the SEC is god's gift to college football.

sec isn't God's gift to football, but college football wouldn't be half as fun if there weren't any delusional sec fans to argue with 😉

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

Not that this will dissuade you from somehow thinking up a reason the SEC is god's gift to college football.

sec isn't God's gift to football, but college football wouldn't be half as fun if there weren't any delusional sec fans to argue with 😉

Speaking of which, does anyone have a link to some relative conference strength poll?

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Speaking of which, does anyone have a link to some relative conference strength poll?

Here is Sagarin's for this year: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

SEC, Big East, Pac 10, Big 12, ACC, Big 10.

Note that the strongest conference changes every year.

 

[rocadelpunk]

http://www.sundaymorningqb.com...y/2007/12/3/12023/0450

No, no, not again. The worst result of last year's mythical championship game was the growth and perpetuation of this absurd notion of superior "SEC speed," based not on the collective 40 times and shuttle drills of hundreds of players on a couple dozen teams that make up the SEC and Big Ten, but on a handful of plays in a single game that was decidedly outside the season-long patterns of both participants, and not demonstrably decided by "speed" (unless you're willing to suggest Tennessee and Arkansas were done in a week earlier by "speed," too, which was at least as plausible). These conferences need to play more often.

Anyway, then, the foolish geographical chest-thumping only lasted a few days before the onset of the offseason relegated it to the safe obscurity of message boards and occasional comment thread. This time, do not expect the partisan sons of the South to fall quiet at any point over the next month prior to the Buckeyes' "rematch" (ugh) with LSU; for a sampling of the inane vitriol to come, check this comment thread, or any SEC board, or let the usually sage Gator fans at Saurian Sagacity sum it up in a series of smug that doesn't even apply to their own team:

One would think the false sense of inevitability that followed Ohio State prior to last year's championship (or USC the year before that, or that very, very fast Miami team in 2002, or, I don't know, LSU, Ohio State, West Virginia, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Oklahoma, California, Florida or LSU again prior to stunning upsets over the last three months) would demonstrate the virtues of humility to fans everywhere, and lead them to stop for a second to recognize - last year's anomalous championship beatdown is a great example of this - that anything can happen in one game, on one night, and "anything" will not necessarily reconcile itself with the accumulation of disparate performances that precedes it. It only adds to the accumulation; it doesn't define it. Based on everything we know from the dozen "samples" on both sides leading up to last January, that Florida team couldn't beat that Ohio State team by 27 points again in a whole season of trying. There's a reason the Gators were underdogs, and it's not because they kept the fast guys under wraps when squeaking out wins against South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

Based on everything we know from both teams' performances this season, Ohio State and LSU should be a close, hard-hitting game between two of the few teams that still operate largely from traditional two-back sets on offense and do not hesitate to run old-fashioned isos, counters and traps into the line. It's an interesting collision of style and persona between loose cannon Les Miles and icy, understated mercenary Jim Tressel, and their emphases on emotion, "poise" (as Miles likes to repeat to his oft-flagged charges) and discipline. But it will be decided by the side that executes and catches the right breaks under the specific set of circumstances that unfold on Jan. 7, at which point, of course, that team will be instantly refashioned into gold-drenched superheroes with inherent abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Naturally: We are the champions! These are the myths we make.

But the athletes, the speed, all of that is a given. LSU and Ohio State have both turned in top ten recrutiting classes each of the last four seasons. They've all got the athletes. They've all got the speed. The differences in raw talent on this level are nil. This championship, like all championships, will be about combining management, strategy and execution in the moment, and probably a bounce or timely flag or two. Not as catchy as "SEC Speed," but anything more precise than wrongheaded, bumper sticker hubris rarely is.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: hdeck

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: preslove
LSU is going to straight up murder osu this year. SEC schedules gnaw on great teams, slowing them down, injuring them, making them look bad. Then they get several weeks rest to heal up. Then they beat the shit out of teams from pansy ass conferences. This will be no different with LSU v osu.

Right. That's why the Big10 actually had a winning record against the SEC in bowl games last year.

that's because of the bowl scheduling doing big 10 #3 team vs sec #5 team and crap like that.

Well then maybe the conference should send its #3 team to play the others #3 team. Don't they teach comparison (<, >, =) operations in the SEC?

Last year the Big10 sent two teams to BCS games. This left the #3 Big10 team (#5 ranked Wisky) for the CapitalOne bowl. They played - and beat - Arkansas who was the SEC West champ. Penn State punked Tennessee in the Outback bowl but I have no idea what number they were in the SEC.

So your blanket statement has at least one hole in it. Not that this will dissuade you from somehow thinking up a reason the SEC is god's gift to college football.

How did those Big10 teams far in the BCS games? How convenient those 2 results are left out while you boast about wins in lower bowl games.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: rocadelpunk
http://www.sundaymorningqb.com...y/2007/12/3/12023/0450

No, no, not again. The worst result of last year's mythical championship game was the growth and perpetuation of this absurd notion of superior "SEC speed," based not on the collective 40 times and shuttle drills of hundreds of players on a couple dozen teams that make up the SEC and Big Ten, but on a handful of plays in a single game that was decidedly outside the season-long patterns of both participants, and not demonstrably decided by "speed" (unless you're willing to suggest Tennessee and Arkansas were done in a week earlier by "speed," too, which was at least as plausible). These conferences need to play more often.

Anyway, then, the foolish geographical chest-thumping only lasted a few days before the onset of the offseason relegated it to the safe obscurity of message boards and occasional comment thread. This time, do not expect the partisan sons of the South to fall quiet at any point over the next month prior to the Buckeyes' "rematch" (ugh) with LSU; for a sampling of the inane vitriol to come, check this comment thread, or any SEC board, or let the usually sage Gator fans at Saurian Sagacity sum it up in a series of smug that doesn't even apply to their own team:

One would think the false sense of inevitability that followed Ohio State prior to last year's championship (or USC the year before that, or that very, very fast Miami team in 2002, or, I don't know, LSU, Ohio State, West Virginia, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Oklahoma, California, Florida or LSU again prior to stunning upsets over the last three months) would demonstrate the virtues of humility to fans everywhere, and lead them to stop for a second to recognize - last year's anomalous championship beatdown is a great example of this - that anything can happen in one game, on one night, and "anything" will not necessarily reconcile itself with the accumulation of disparate performances that precedes it. It only adds to the accumulation; it doesn't define it. Based on everything we know from the dozen "samples" on both sides leading up to last January, that Florida team couldn't beat that Ohio State team by 27 points again in a whole season of trying. There's a reason the Gators were underdogs, and it's not because they kept the fast guys under wraps when squeaking out wins against South Carolina and Vanderbilt.

Based on everything we know from both teams' performances this season, Ohio State and LSU should be a close, hard-hitting game between two of the few teams that still operate largely from traditional two-back sets on offense and do not hesitate to run old-fashioned isos, counters and traps into the line. It's an interesting collision of style and persona between loose cannon Les Miles and icy, understated mercenary Jim Tressel, and their emphases on emotion, "poise" (as Miles likes to repeat to his oft-flagged charges) and discipline. But it will be decided by the side that executes and catches the right breaks under the specific set of circumstances that unfold on Jan. 7, at which point, of course, that team will be instantly refashioned into gold-drenched superheroes with inherent abilities far beyond those of mortal men. Naturally: We are the champions! These are the myths we make.

But the athletes, the speed, all of that is a given. LSU and Ohio State have both turned in top ten recrutiting classes each of the last four seasons. They've all got the athletes. They've all got the speed. The differences in raw talent on this level are nil. This championship, like all championships, will be about combining management, strategy and execution in the moment, and probably a bounce or timely flag or two. Not as catchy as "SEC Speed," but anything more precise than wrongheaded, bumper sticker hubris rarely is.

You just quoted some random dudes blog? 😛