Maybe because of all the ranked teams, OSU has been the most consistently impressive. Their closest margin of vicotry is +18 points, their defense has been very impressive, and their offense looks like it hasn't skipped a beat even though they lost their starting QB, RB, and #1 and #2 WRs.
Maybe their schedule has been "easy", but if college football really is moving towards "parity" (the excuse for why all these other big teams have dropped games), then that is actually an argument in OSU's favor - they haven't blinked like so many other teams have. So many have been concerned over teams like USC not dominating opponents they should have dominated (they even lost to one), whereas OSU has dominated everyone they've played regardless of whether it was expected of them or not.
USF does have some impressive wins on its resume, but they haven't dominated every team they have played. If they would have been more convincing in their more impressive wins, I would bet they actually would be #1. Right now that doesn't really matter though, because they're #2 and that's all you need to be to get into the national championship. And when consider the past few years, being #2 is actually a good thing...
OSU's best schedule remains before them, you're crazy to think they don't control their own destiny (although considering you, its more just obvious blind biased hatred
) with playing @ PennSt in primetime, a suddenly respectable Illinois, Wisconsin, and @ Michigan who has furiously turned their season around.Did you even think before posting? There is no way a 1 loss team jumps an undefeated OSU - certainly not considering this season where it'll be a miracle if both teams (or even just one of them) in the championship are undefeated.
No, Ohio State is #1 solely because of history. Their history and name has parlayed itself into being #1 in the human polls over a lesser-known USF team. No matter how "impressive" they have been, USF has been more impressive.
They are only #1 in the BCS because they are #1 in both human polls. Don't worry about that much. OSU will lose at least one, if not two games in the next five weeks.
You're the one that seems worried about it to cook up ludicrous garbage - only in your dreams would an undefeated OSU miss the national championship to a 1 loss team this season.
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Maybe because of all the ranked teams, OSU has been the most consistently impressive. Their closest margin of vicotry is +18 points, their defense has been very impressive, and their offense looks like it hasn't skipped a beat even though they lost their starting QB, RB, and #1 and #2 WRs.
Maybe their schedule has been "easy", but if college football really is moving towards "parity" (the excuse for why all these other big teams have dropped games), then that is actually an argument in OSU's favor - they haven't blinked like so many other teams have. So many have been concerned over teams like USC not dominating opponents they should have dominated (they even lost to one), whereas OSU has dominated everyone they've played regardless of whether it was expected of them or not.
USF does have some impressive wins on its resume, but they haven't dominated every team they have played. If they would have been more convincing in their more impressive wins, I would bet they actually would be #1. Right now that doesn't really matter though, because they're #2 and that's all you need to be to get into the national championship. And when consider the past few years, being #2 is actually a good thing...
OSU's best schedule remains before them, you're crazy to think they don't control their own destiny (although considering you, its more just obvious blind biased hatred
Did you even think before posting? There is no way a 1 loss team jumps an undefeated OSU - certainly not considering this season where it'll be a miracle if both teams (or even just one of them) in the championship are undefeated.
I try to keep any bias out of logical posts. Looking at the computer rankings, OSU could easily wind up undefeated and on the outside looking in. They would have to maintain a sizeable lead in both human polls for this to happen. And we all know that, after last year, people can change their minds at the end of the year to help influence who they believe should be in.
I stand by my initial statement. OSU could go undefeated and still miss out on the BCS Championship game. What impressive win will they have over the next five weeks? They have two teams on their schedule who are ranked at the bottom of the top 25. PSU loses and they are out of the top 25, Illinois and Wisconsin have already played their way out and Michigan has just snuck back in after five straight wins.
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Maybe because of all the ranked teams, OSU has been the most consistently impressive. Their closest margin of vicotry is +18 points, their defense has been very impressive, and their offense looks like it hasn't skipped a beat even though they lost their starting QB, RB, and #1 and #2 WRs.
Maybe their schedule has been "easy", but if college football really is moving towards "parity" (the excuse for why all these other big teams have dropped games), then that is actually an argument in OSU's favor - they haven't blinked like so many other teams have. So many have been concerned over teams like USC not dominating opponents they should have dominated (they even lost to one), whereas OSU has dominated everyone they've played regardless of whether it was expected of them or not.
USF does have some impressive wins on its resume, but they haven't dominated every team they have played. If they would have been more convincing in their more impressive wins, I would bet they actually would be #1. Right now that doesn't really matter though, because they're #2 and that's all you need to be to get into the national championship. And when consider the past few years, being #2 is actually a good thing...
OSU's best schedule remains before them, you're crazy to think they don't control their own destiny (although considering you, its more just obvious blind biased hatred
Did you even think before posting? There is no way a 1 loss team jumps an undefeated OSU - certainly not considering this season where it'll be a miracle if both teams (or even just one of them) in the championship are undefeated.
I try to keep any bias out of logical posts. Looking at the computer rankings, OSU could easily wind up undefeated and on the outside looking in. They would have to maintain a sizeable lead in both human polls for this to happen. And we all know that, after last year, people can change their minds at the end of the year to help influence who they believe should be in.
I stand by my initial statement. OSU could go undefeated and still miss out on the BCS Championship game. What impressive win will they have over the next five weeks? They have two teams on their schedule who are ranked at the bottom of the top 25. PSU loses and they are out of the top 25, Illinois and Wisconsin have already played their way out and Michigan has just snuck back in after five straight wins.
All 5 teams remaining on their schedule are 5-2 and Big10 teams...are you seriously that blinded by your bias?
Uhm, go look at how LSU is ranked higher than OSU in four out of the six computer polls. Now go compare OSU and LSU's remaining schedule. Then keep in mind that the national opinion is that the SEC and PAC-10 are the strongest conferences and the Big Ten is very down this year.
I'm not "cooking up garbage". LSU, with one loss, could very easily wind up in a BCS Championship game against USF. Hell, South Carolina could too.
I'm not an SEC rah-rah. I'm just putting it out there as a distinct possibility.
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Originally posted by: mpitts
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Maybe because of all the ranked teams, OSU has been the most consistently impressive. Their closest margin of vicotry is +18 points, their defense has been very impressive, and their offense looks like it hasn't skipped a beat even though they lost their starting QB, RB, and #1 and #2 WRs.
Maybe their schedule has been "easy", but if college football really is moving towards "parity" (the excuse for why all these other big teams have dropped games), then that is actually an argument in OSU's favor - they haven't blinked like so many other teams have. So many have been concerned over teams like USC not dominating opponents they should have dominated (they even lost to one), whereas OSU has dominated everyone they've played regardless of whether it was expected of them or not.
USF does have some impressive wins on its resume, but they haven't dominated every team they have played. If they would have been more convincing in their more impressive wins, I would bet they actually would be #1. Right now that doesn't really matter though, because they're #2 and that's all you need to be to get into the national championship. And when consider the past few years, being #2 is actually a good thing...
OSU's best schedule remains before them, you're crazy to think they don't control their own destiny (although considering you, its more just obvious blind biased hatred
Did you even think before posting? There is no way a 1 loss team jumps an undefeated OSU - certainly not considering this season where it'll be a miracle if both teams (or even just one of them) in the championship are undefeated.
I try to keep any bias out of logical posts. Looking at the computer rankings, OSU could easily wind up undefeated and on the outside looking in. They would have to maintain a sizeable lead in both human polls for this to happen. And we all know that, after last year, people can change their minds at the end of the year to help influence who they believe should be in.
I stand by my initial statement. OSU could go undefeated and still miss out on the BCS Championship game. What impressive win will they have over the next five weeks? They have two teams on their schedule who are ranked at the bottom of the top 25. PSU loses and they are out of the top 25, Illinois and Wisconsin have already played their way out and Michigan has just snuck back in after five straight wins.
All 5 teams remaining on their schedule are 5-2 and Big10 teams...are you seriously that blinded by your bias?
And three of them are barely ranked. What will OSU's marquee wins be if they win out? They won't have one.
I promise you I am not being biased. And I have already made it abundantly clear on this forum that I believe OSU will lose. If you don't think it is possible that OSU wins out and doesn't get in, you aren't looking at the facts.
How else am I supposed to project what might happen?
Let me ask you this: If LSU wins out, do you think that they would wind up in the BCS Championship game? What if South Carolina does?
What if this happens:
OSU wins out
USF wins out
LSU wins out
What happens?
It cant be answered. Because, it is not about what LSU, OSU, and the other "contender" teams do... but its how the rest of the country does.
If their opponents tank the rest of their games, these teams' perceived strength of schedule would also tank.
So no, its too complex to project to January now.
If the season had ENDED now, personally, *I* would pit OSU vs USF, and not coincidentally they both top LSU in the rankings (especially given LSU's last 2 games)
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is all three can manage to win all their games ahead of them, depending on individual performances in each game, it'll likely be an OSU vs USF/LSU.
An undefeated OSU, after playing Michigan, would sit at #1 still. Reason being, Michigan is a rivalry game that always proves challenging. Penn State is going to be a strong matchup too.
No bias from me, as anything can happen. But with how much of a margin there has been in OSU's games, it's clear they are not being challenged, but also have the skill. To believe they don't belong at the NC game is ridiculous, as this year, if undefeated, they will still deserve to be there, further proving the point BCS sucks.
hopefully the teams at the top have some shake up though, so that an undefeated OSU leaves no doubt of belonging at the NC game.
(biased Missouri fan here)
Kansas is so overrated, look at who have played
1. Central Michigan 2. Southern Louisiana 3. Toledo. 4. Florida International 5. K-State 6. Baylor 7. Colorado 8. Texas A&M 9. Nebraska 10. Oklahoma State 11. Iowa State and 12 Missouri.
Look at the first 6 teams they've played, yeah they are all pretty horrible with the exception of K-State, and all but the K-State game was at home. Come on lets be honest 13 in the BCS and 15 in the AP, is in my opinion a little bit of a stretch, even though they are undefeated. Maybe this is jsut my Missouri fan side ripping on their rival, but Kansas don't play anyone good, really.
Kansas is so overrated, look at who have played
1. Central Michigan 2. Southern Louisiana 3. Toledo. 4. Florida International 5. K-State 6. Baylor 7. Colorado 8. Texas A&M 9. Nebraska 10. Oklahoma State 11. Iowa State and 12 Missouri.
Look at the first 6 teams they've played, yeah they are all pretty horrible with the exception of K-State, and all but the K-State game was at home. Come on lets be honest 13 in the BCS and 15 in the AP, is in my opinion a little bit of a stretch, even though they are undefeated. Maybe this is jsut my Missouri fan side ripping on their rival, but Kansas don't play anyone good, really.
Again your bias shines through. Right now we're playing major "what-if" games. Why didn't you include BC? What if they win out? They'd be undefeated as well, but your bias excludes them as a possibility. The real concern is most likely going to be an undefeated USF or BC being leapfrogged by a 1 loss team (but again, another major "what-if", chances are USF/BC don't remain undefeated). But with the rate teams are losing, teams behind OSU that already have one loss and are still in contention have just as much of a chance to lose as OSU does, making things all the crazier.
You also cannot just look at those teams simply winning out, because a lot will count with the teams they end up beating in order to win out. OSU for example - should they face a 9-2 Michigan game playing for a Rose Bowl spot and OSU wins @ Michigan, there's no way that win would be any less quality than any game USF plays, and because that game would be OSU's most recent, it would also carry more weight.
But since you're so certain OSU is going to lose anyways, I'm not sure why you're so concerned to try and cook up a scenario where OSU would miss the national championship game should they do the impossible (according to you, because how dare they be able to beat Michigan) and win out.
I think probably what's going unsaid in this thread but not in the mind of the pollsters is that OSU is tired of hearing and thinking about that atrocious loss in the NC game. This is precisely why they are extremely focused and haven't mis-steped. Anything can happen but if you beat who you play (like OSU has) then good things happen. OSU's strength of schedule only gets better. They're #1 now with a shitty SoS, it can only get better. LSU, OU, USF & BC's remaining foes certainly aren't hugely better.
I don't think the human pollsters would let a 1 loss team jump OSU. The computers might but they just aren't enough of a factor (33% I think or is it 25%?)
I don't think the human pollsters would let a 1 loss team jump OSU. The computers might but they just aren't enough of a factor (33% I think or is it 25%?)
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Ohio State's remaining schedule is harder then any of the other undefeated teams. They have weak computer rankings now, but will improve significantly. Coupled with the fact the will be #1 in the polls if they are undefeated, they have little chance of losing the #1 spot in the BCS.
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