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BBC: Israel's Secret Weapon

SandEagle, you miss the worst kept secret in the world. As the French Government built the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona on a French design that is identical to to a now French retired breeder reactor everyone in the world knows alot about. Because French Israeli relations have turned from warm to a very chilly relationship now.

But Israeli security is so tight, that the rest of the world can only estimate how many Plutonium based nuclear weapons Israel now has. From a low ball estimate of about 120 to as high as 300+. But when Israel is questioned, Israeli officials play cute and will neither confirm or deny.

After the US elections of 11/2012, Israel is very likely going to be facing international community and US support to make the Mid-east into a nuclear weapons free zone.

As Israel's free ride may end, as Israel hypocracy may come to a screeching halt under increasing international inquiries on a variety of different fronts.

The other thing to point out is the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona was not well built and is arguably as dangerous as the Russian reactor at Chernobly. There are already massive cracks in the Dismona containmnt dome and may be a very dangerous accident waiting to happen. Already very dangerous statistics are emerging that employees at Dismona are suffering cancer death rates that are really off the charts.

At least Dismona is now protected by the so called Israeli iron dome defnse system. That may partially protect Dismona from low and slow scud type missiles, but when Iran has high and extremely fast ballistic missiles that are very accurate, I for one really doubt the iron dome will protect Dismona in any way.

As any succesful attack against Dismona could render Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and parts of Iraq as unihabitable for at least 500 years into the future if not longer.
 
Thanks for the share. I really wish we'd pull back on our relationship with Israel. We can do business and be friendly, but we don't need to back them. If Israel wants American backing they can apply for Statehood and adopt the United States Constitution.
 
Lemon law said:
As any succesful attack against Dismona could render Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and parts of Iraq as unihabitable for at least 500 years into the future if not longer.
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Not to mention the effects of a massive Israeli second strike capability to whoever launched that missle attack. Much of that land, will also be uninhabitable.
 
Lemon law said:
SandEagle, you miss the worst kept secret in the world. As the French Government built the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona on a French design that is identical to to a now French retired breeder reactor everyone in the world knows alot about. Because French Israeli relations have turned from warm to a very chilly relationship now.

But Israeli security is so tight, that the rest of the world can only estimate how many Plutonium based nuclear weapons Israel now has. From a low ball estimate of about 120 to as high as 300+. But when Israel is questioned, Israeli officials play cute and will neither confirm or deny. -- that is there right...

After the US elections of 11/2012, Israel is very likely going to be facing international community and US support to make the Mid-east into a nuclear weapons free zone.

As Israel's free ride may end, as Israel hypocracy may come to a screeching halt under increasing international inquiries on a variety of different fronts.-- more predictions or speculation.....seems I have your track record handy...

The other thing to point out is the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona was not well built and is arguably as dangerous as the Russian reactor at Chernobly. There are already massive cracks in the Dismona containmnt dome and may be a very dangerous accident waiting to happen. Already very dangerous statistics are emerging that employees at Dismona are suffering cancer death rates that are really off the charts. -- links please....we are tired of your speculation....

At least Dismona is now protected by the so called Israeli iron dome defnse system. That may partially protect Dismona from low and slow scud type missiles, but when Iran has high and extremely fast ballistic missiles that are very accurate, I for one really doubt the iron dome will protect Dismona in any way. -- if that is a prediction then Dismona is very secure...

As any succesful attack against Dismona could render Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and parts of Iraq as unihabitable for at least 500 years into the future if not longer. -- you think???
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I believe we gave Israel multiple neutron bombs, a big mistake. Or we showed them how to develope the neutron bomb.
 
I believe Israel has over 100 neutron bombs all aimed at its neighbors, and ready to launch in an instant.
 
You want a link JediY, try this one out, for a start.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

Kinda unbiased in MHO. But still no problem, if you want more unbiased links, I can come up with an almost unlimited supply.

Let me put it this way, there is too much already known about the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona for Israeli to pull the wool over the eyes of anyone in the entire world. And I did not write a word of it.

So go right ahead and try to blame only me, but what this will mean in the future for Israel, is a subject for speculation.

JediY, don't confuse well known facts about Dismona with future speculation end consequences
 
As I should also mention, the Israeli reactor at Dismona is also built over a earthquake fault zone. And in the 4000+ history of Israel and even times before, that entire region has been subject to major earthquake activity. The fact the the Isreali region has had no major quakes recently only adds to the certainty the next big one is coming.

There is much Isreali biblical ado made of some Israeli blowing a horn and the walls of Jerico came tumbling down. As history could repeat itself, as the walls of Dismona could come tumbling down in any major earthquake. Bringing diasaster to not only Israel, but the entire region in yet another Chernolby type accident.
 
DCal430 said:
I believe we gave Israel multiple neutron bombs, a big mistake. Or we showed them how to develope the neutron bomb.
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All nuclear bombs emit large amounts of neutrons. The range of neutrons in air is less than the size of the fireball of the explosion itself though. There is no such thing as a "neutron bomb". That is science fiction.

The idea of an enhanced radiation bomb, or "salted bomb", has been theorized but one has never been designed, built, or tested by any nuclear nation as far as anyone knows. Such a bomb would create more deadly and longer-lived radioactive fallout. I don't find it plausible that Israel would consider using such a weapon as they are just as likely to irradiate their own territory as their enemies, unless you think the Jews control the weather. Which I wouldn't put past you, as you sound like the tinfoil-hat type.
 
QuantumPion said:
All nuclear bombs emit large amounts of neutrons. The range of neutrons in air is less than the size of the fireball of the explosion itself though. There is no such thing as a "neutron bomb". That is science fiction.

The idea of an enhanced radiation bomb, or "salted bomb", has been theorized but one has never been designed, built, or tested by any nuclear nation as far as anyone knows. Such a bomb would create more deadly and longer-lived radioactive fallout. I don't find it plausible that Israel would consider using such a weapon as they are just as likely to irradiate their own territory as their enemies, unless you think the Jews control the weather. Which I wouldn't put past you, as you sound like the tinfoil-hat type.
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The neutrons in a fussion of tritium with deuterium is highly energized compared to traditional fission reactions. The W70 is a neutron bomb, and causes a devastating release of high energy neutrons.
 
Here is some info taken from a physics forum:

A neutron bomb is merely a mini-H bomb rigged to enhance the neutron output.

Neutrons are heavy uncharged particles, which means they can pass through thick armor or lead rather easily, unlike gamma rays.

Neutrons are selectively absorbed by light elements such as carbon which form living matter, whereas other forms of thermonuclear radiation ( alpha, beta, gamma ) are selectively absorbed by heavy elements.

Many years ago, one of the popular science magazines published a picture taken with a neutron camera, of a brass candelabra with candles, sitting inside a lead-brick enclosure. The neutrons went right through the lead and brass, which looked ghostly on the pictures -- but the neutrons were selectively absorbed by the organic material in the candle wax, which looked dense on the neutron photo.

In other words, energetic neutrons can pass through lead and brass without losing much energy or momentum. Having passed through the lead [or armor] unimpeded, the neutrons then expend their momentum and energy when they hit something organic, such as beeswax or human tissue, knocking loose electrons, ripping up molecular bonds, and basically disrupting the life-chemistry of anything living. When a neutron strikes an atom of a light element, the result is a shower of secondary ionizing radiation, which causes damage just like any other radiation.

Neutrons also have a nasty habit of traveling through the ground and reflect off the water table and off bedrock, killing anyone in an underground bunker. Other types of radiation ( alpha, beta and gamma ) don't have that capability. The tendency of neutrons to go right through armor and bounce around corners makes them attractive as bunker-busters, because modern bunker systems have blast doors at intervals, and dog-leg passages that can run for miles underground.

Unfortunately, bunker systems tend to be built under large civilian cities -- Saddam's bunker network was built under Baghdad ( pop. 7 million http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad ). If the US had had bunker-busting neutron bombs at the time they invaded Baghdad based on fabricated information about WMD, taking out the bunkers could have killed millions of Iraqi civilians through neutron flash and seismic shocks.

A neutron bomb does NOT ( as commonly mis-reported ) kill people and leave structures intact. A neutron bomb is a mini-hydrogen bomb; and produces all of the usual destructive effects of an H-bomb ( heat flash, gamma radiation flash, supersonic blast wave, over-pressure wave at greater distances, and radioactive fallout plume reaching high altitudes ). A neutron bomb actually produces MORE radioactive fallout than a 'regular' tactical-H-bomb of the same yield, because most of the radioactive fallout of a 'regular' mini-H-bomb comes from neutrons that induce persistent radioactivity in pulverized material.

A neutron bomb simply has 'enhanced kill' of living tissue hiding inside armor or inside bunkers or behind berms. The enhanced kill comes about because a higher percentage of the bomb's energy comes out as energetic neutrons, whereas in a 'normal' H-bomb more of the energy would come out as blast / heat / X-rays and whatnot. A normal H-bomb is surrounded by metals that reflect neutrons back into the bomb, to increase the yield. A neutron bomb is built without the neutron reflectors, so that the neutrons can get out. That would normally cause a lower yield, but extra tritium is added to bring the yield back up to par.

When a 'normal' tactical H-bomb goes off in mid-air ( "air burst" ), most of the energy gets absorbed by air within a half-mile radius of the detonation, turning that air into a "fireball" of extremely hot plasma. That fireball then does 2 things -- it emits a powerful flash of radiant energy all the way from the infrared to the X-ray region of the spectrum, and (
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the fireball begins expanding at supersonic velocity, pushing aside millions of tons of air in the process. The displaced compacted air then flattens anything in its path. After a brief interval the fireball goes dark, because the scorched air within the fireball forms brown oxides of nitrogen. Displaced air then rushes back in, sweeping up pulverized material and ash into the fireball, which rises rapidly to the stratosphere and cooks a wider area with its heat and radiation as it rises.

The surplus of energetic neutrons emitted by a neutron bomb pass right through the forming fireball and keep going until they hit something solid made of light elements, such as people cowering behind a hardened wall.

Again, a neutron bomb is a matter of degree. All thermonuclear reactions produce neutrons, whether the reaction is fission ( A-bomb ) or fusion ( H bomb ). The tritium which 'powers' the H-bomb consists simply of heavy hydrogen which has 2 extra neutrons on every atom. That's necessary because an H-bomb turns hydrogen into helium. It takes 2 neutrons to make a helium atom, but a normal hydrogen atom has none, so heavy hydrogen is used to supply the required neutrons. Some of those extra neutrons get loose as neutron radiation. A neutron bomb is simply designed to let more neutrons out.

A neutron bomb can also kill electronics more effectively at short range, because some of the neutrons are stopped by silicon in the chips, which is a somewhat light element. It doesn't take much radiation damage to kill a chip, because silicon chips have to be near-perfect crystals in order to function as high-performance semiconductors. Anything that rips up the crystal structure even a little ruins the chip.

It's a myth that neutron bombs are clean, humane, or environmentally friendly. Their destructive effects are NO LESS than a tactical hydrogen bomb of equivalent yield. It's also a myth that neutron bombs can kill people in a WMD facility without releasing deadly spores, causing a nuclear meltdown or whatever. A neutron bomb might easily do both, especially if the targeting intel is sketchy or wrong. It takes an extremely high dose of radiation to kill anthrax, compared to what kills humans -- a strike near enough to crack open the containment and release the spores might not kill the spores.
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http://lofi.forum.physorg.com/How-does-a-neutron-bomb-work_12207.html
 
DCal430 said:
The neutrons in a fussion of tritium with deuterium is highly energized compared to traditional fission reactions. The W70 is a neutron bomb, and causes a devastating release of high energy neutrons.
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Nice, did you copy that from wikipedia yourself genius or did your mom help you?
 
QuantumPion said:
Nice, did you copy that from wikipedia yourself genius or did your mom help you?
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More defective reasoning from QuantumPion. Cyberage posted a contention that may or may not be valid, but QuatumPion showed zero ethics by not rebutting Cybersage in any real way and instead proving he is nothing but a troll by demonizing Cybrsage by accusing him of getting help from his Mommy! Like that is real reasoning?????????????????
 
This is why despite Israel's hyping of Iran's nuclear program... it's unlikely that Iran will make aggressive moves on Israel because everyone in the area knows that they have nuclear weapons and submarines which are capable of launching cruise missiles with a nuclear payload.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_class_submarine

Ironically, the subs were built for them by Germany.

Back to the point. Unless Iran undergoes a regime change and is taken over by insane irrational people, Iran won't attack Israel even if they develop a nuclear weapon because they don't want their cities to become craters surrounded by sheets of glass.

Ironically it could be recent U.S. activities in the middle east that are motivating Iran to develop the knowledge to create a nuclear weapon

The Iranian media, in fact, tut-tutted last year that Mr. Qaddafi's fatal error was relinquishing his secret nuclear weapons program in 2004.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...ld-happen-if-Iran-had-the-bomb-video/(page)/2
"If I was an Iranian national security planner, I would want nuclear weapons," Bruce Riedel, a 30-year veteran of the CIA now at the Brookings Institution in Washington, said in January.


"Look at the neighborhood that I live in: Everyone else has nuclear weapons who matters; and those who don't, don't matter, and get invaded by the United States of America," Mr. Riedel said on a panel hosted by the Atlantic Council, a Washington think tank.
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Not an unreasonable analysis of the thinking of Iranian leaders in my opinion.


One Israeli expert has this opinion

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Midd...ld-happen-if-Iran-had-the-bomb-video/(page)/3

If Iran were to become a nuclear power, the most immediate question would be what it means for Israel, where warnings have reached histrionic heights.
"Absolutely nothing will happen," says Martin Van Creveld, an Israeli historian and author of some 20 books on military strategy. "Israel has what it takes to deter Iran, and the Iranians know it."
Mr. Van Creveld is implying that Israel's own nuclear arsenal of an estimated 200 warheads would prevent any Iranian first strike. Israel has the only such arsenal in the Middle East, and – unlike Iran's program – it has never been subject to UN inspection or safeguards.
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We should proceed carefully in any case.
 
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Lemon law said:
You want a link JediY, try this one out, for a start.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/farr.htm

Kinda unbiased in MHO. But still no problem, if you want more unbiased links, I can come up with an almost unlimited supply.

Let me put it this way, there is too much already known about the Israeli breeder reactor at Dismona for Israeli to pull the wool over the eyes of anyone in the entire world. And I did not write a word of it.

So go right ahead and try to blame only me, but what this will mean in the future for Israel, is a subject for speculation.

JediY, don't confuse well known facts about Dismona with future speculation end consequences
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Disclaimer -The views expressed in this publication are those solely of the author
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as cybersage pointed out -- and very correctly I might add....
Unbiased? It is entirely the view of one person, who cannot help but interject his biases into it.
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