BBC- Director general slates 'gung-ho' war reports (ie Fox)

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Okay, if that doesn't suit your tastes, how about this gem of a quote from your friend and mine, Bill O'Reilly:

"We should not target civilians. But if [the Afghans] don't rise up against this criminal government [the Taliban], they starve, period," and, "What we can do is . . . say to those people, 'Look, we don't want to do this. But either you get rid of this guy yourself, or you're just going to have to starve to death because we're not going to let anybody in there'" (The O'Reilly Factor, 9/17/01).

Well according to The 1948 Genocide Convention:

• Article II(c): Deliberately inflicting on [a national] group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

• Article III(c): "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide"

That about sums it up. I'd be behind trying Bill O'Reilly for war crimes, anyone else agree? After all, according to the same document (of which the US is a signatory):

• Article IV: Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.

Next?

wow 1 quote right after 9-11 when oreilly was pissed off and that the best you can come up with. I think that shows you really had to search just to find ONE quote.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ornery
Bill O'Reilly is not a reporter. Where's the links to NEWS REPORTS?

Does it matter? Fox hires, supports and stands by Bill O'Reilly and his opinions. That is proof enough of their motives and beliefs.

I'll let ole' Bill speak for himself:

The same thing is true with politicians. Say one cross word about the president and he will know about it, believe me. Attorney General John Ashcroft won't talk to me because I criticized him for not updating the public on the Mark Rich investigation. Remember Mr. Rich? Remember his ex-wife and other pals spreading around millions to benefit the Clintons? Where exactly is that investigation, Mr. Attorney General?

New York Governor George Pataki has 86'ed me because I asked him why he wouldn't appoint a master or a group of financial experts to oversee the charity mess. The governor did not like the question.

Florida Governor Jeb Bush is mad at me because I asked him if state authorities were investigating Sami Al-Arian. He's a professor at the University of South Florida who brought the leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad -- a terrorist group -- to America. A few years ago, Florida taxpayers wound up paying that terrorist to lecture at USF, thanks to Sami.

Governor Bush did not want to comment on any possible investigation.

I could give you 30 more examples of the powerful getting teed off by unwelcome questions. The press, especially TV news, has been so soft for the last decade that the powerful are actually shocked by a pointed query.

Fox also has Clinton's buddy Geraldo on there. I guess that means Fox backed Clinton in the Paula Jones/Lewinski investigation too, eh?

You clowns might regain some credibility if you could link to a BIASED NEWS REPORT. Come on, you can do it!

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Excuse me? Ornery asked for links to examples of Fox's jingoism. I provided them.

You fvcked up AGAIN! I said, "Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?"

 

[konichiwa]

Fox also has Clinton's buddy Geraldo on there. I guess that means Fox backed Clinton in the Paula Jones/Lewinski investigation too, eh?

Okay, we can do this Ornery. Geraldo is a news reporter who Fox believes can fairly and unequivocally report the news. Bill O'Reilly is an opinionated editorialist, who is not touted as a news agent but as someone who represents the agenda and ideas of the Fox News corporation.

You seem to be missing that. Just because Fox has Geraldo on does not mean they support everything that he's done in the past, before he worked for Fox (I.E. Clinton), and the same goes for O'Reilly. But as long as Fox pays O'Reilly's check and has him (loudly) voicing his (idiotic) opinions, he represents the Fox news network.

See the difference? I knew you'd be able to. Only I'm sure you'll try to weasel out of it once again...

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Excuse me? Ornery asked for links to examples of Fox's jingoism. I provided them.

You fvcked up AGAIN! I said, "Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?"

Considering the majority of Fox "news reports" are verbatim from the Associated Press, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for here. If editorials and opinion pieces aren't enough to demonstrate Fox's demonstrable jingoism, I don't know what is.

Here's another one for you in case that O'Reilly piece wasn't enough.

 

[Ornery]

Someone who represents the agenda and ideas of the Fox News corporation.

Where's the links you keep weaseling out of providing to the BIASED NEWS REPORTS? I'm beginning to get the impression there aren't any! Is that possible? A simple yes or no will do!

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Only I'm sure you'll try to weasel out of it once again...

like how you dodged my post so here it is agains:
wow 1 quote right after 9-11 when oreilly was pissed off and that the best you can come up with. I think that shows you really had to search just to find ONE quote to try to discredit oreilly.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Only I'm sure you'll try to weasel out of it once again...

like how you dodged my post so here it is agains:
wow 1 quote right after 9-11 when oreilly was pissed off and that the best you can come up with. I think that shows you really had to search just to find ONE quote to try to discredit oreilly.

Try again, I've referenced 3 separate Fox incidents far.

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Only I'm sure you'll try to weasel out of it once again...

like how you dodged my post so here it is agains:
wow 1 quote right after 9-11 when oreilly was pissed off and that the best you can come up with. I think that shows you really had to search just to find ONE quote to try to discredit oreilly.

Try again, I've referenced 3 separate Fox incidents far.

and you are too stupid to realize that OReilly is an analist, he analises the news; therefore, opinioated. MSNBC had Donhaue who did the same but for the left and noone wanted to hear that nut. Furthermore OReilly isn't a conservative. He did more to harm Geb Bush in the november elections than anyone else. You just assume he is a conservative because he is a patriot and most of your liberal friends hate america and bash america every chance they get.
So far im getting from you that fox news is too patriotic, guess thats a bad thing when you hate your country. But for those who love their country fox news is their place, thats why their ratings keep growing. Americans watch a pro-american news station--are you too stupid to understand that?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: BigJelly
and you are too stupid to realize that OReilly is an analist, he analises the news; therefore, opinioated.

Read up, buddy, I have said many times that O'Reilly is an "opinionated" "editorialist," not a news anchor (which, by the way, is what Ornery has been blasting me about, mind you). Commentators, however, represent the views of the network/paper/radio station they comment for.

MSNBC had Donhaue who did the same but for the left and noone wanted to hear that nut.

Okay...point being?

Furthermore OReilly isn't a conservative. He did more to harm Geb Bush in the november elections than anyone else. You just assume he is a conservative because he is a patriot and most of your liberal friends hate america and bash america every chance they get.

Did I say he was a conservative? Furthermore, I don't hate America, I don't bash America. That is one thing you and most of "your conservative friends" seem to confuse: dissent does not mean hatred or bashing. Just because I do not agree with the current administrations bellicose foreign policy does not mean I hate, or bash, America. Get it through your head -- "with us or against us" is an idiotic mantra chanted by the millions of idiotic, unthinking Americans who are too ignorant or uninformed to make decisions for themselves.

So far im getting from you that fox news is too patriotic, guess thats a bad thing when you hate your country.

Bla bla bla, bla bla bla. Look up the definition of jingoism. I have no problem with patriotism, but when it becomes nationalistic, belligerent, xenophobic fervor, it becomes a problem.

But for those who love their country fox news is their place, thats why their ratings keep growing. Americans watch a pro-american news station--are you too stupid to understand that?

Nope, thanks for asking though.

 

[konichiwa]

Oh by the way, some more interesting articles for you folks. I love how the standard Clinton-bashing conservative line is that he is a "draft dodger." Well it's no surprise that the words "draft dodger" have never slipped past Bill O'Reilly's lips.

Ornery...Another...

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: BigJelly
MSNBC had Donhaue who did the same but for the left and noone wanted to hear that nut.

They also had on Alan Keyes and his show was cancelled withing 6 months.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?

Ornery... here is your link.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Excuse me? Ornery asked for links to examples of Fox's jingoism. I provided them.

You fvcked up AGAIN! I said, "Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?"

There was one I read back in Feburary, which made me hate FoxNews. It was when Colin Powel was presenting his evidence and the part that sickened me was like this.

"After Colin Powel's presentation on monday there will be an open SC meeting on tueday, which is designed to embarrass the US and let other countries can voice their opinions"

it was a news report and they just put their own OPINION right in the middle of it. I don't have a link right now, since I have a final tomorrow, but PM me on saturday and I will search for it when I have time.


But let's make a deal. If I find that jingoistic news report, will you STFU and stop defending Fox"news" with such fervor?

 

[jahawkin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Someone who represents the agenda and ideas of the Fox News corporation.

Where's the links you keep weaseling out of providing to the BIASED NEWS REPORTS? I'm beginning to get the impression there aren't any! Is that possible? A simple yes or no will do!

LOL!!! Colmes is the worst liberal on tv, radio, whatever. He is the biggest pushover in the history of media (ok that may be a bit of hyperbole). Other than him, do you want to name another liberal or two on Fox??

 

[freegeeks]

I heard that during the toppling of Hussein's statue, the BBC was doing a report on an Earthquake in China instead. If that's true, what do you think of it?

not true, I saw the toppling of Hussein's statue on the BBC -- I switched between CNN and BBC and they had the same picture

 

[Vernor]

That BBC apparthick has some gal.


The BBC is virulently anti-American

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?


I heard that during the toppling of Hussein's statue, the BBC was doing a report on an Earthquake in China instead. If that's true, what do you think of it?

I was watching the toppling of Hussein's statue live on the BBC's news site's webcam.

Andy

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: BigJelly
Seeing that the BRITISH military boycotted the BBC during the war because of THEIR slanted coverage and one of BBC's reporters was pissed off that the BBC was bias against the war, id say the BBC is as fair and balenced as Hitler's propaganda.

Can we have some links - Here in the UK, I've seen or heard of no big negative reaction to the BBC's coverage from any source (TV, radio or newspaper) via the British Armed Forces.

Yeah, the BBC and Hitler's propaganda machine are quite similar

Andy

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?


I heard that during the toppling of Hussein's statue, the BBC was doing a report on an Earthquake in China instead. If that's true, what do you think of it?

I watched the statue come down live on bbc so it is not true, also they had an exiled Iraqi there who explained how it felt seeing the statue come down and what he felt about the US troops putting the US flag over its head.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: jahawkin

Originally posted by: Ornery
Someone who represents the agenda and ideas of the Fox News corporation.

Where's the links you keep weaseling out of providing to the BIASED NEWS REPORTS? I'm beginning to get the impression there aren't any! Is that possible? A simple yes or no will do!

LOL!!! Colmes is the worst liberal on tv, radio, whatever. He is the biggest pushover in the history of media (ok that may be a bit of hyperbole). Other than him, do you want to name another liberal or two on Fox??

Geraldo Rivera Reports

Eleanor Clift

Susan Estrich

Geraldine Ferraro

David Horowitz

...more

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Ornery
Links to Fox news reports that are Jingoistic?


I heard that during the toppling of Hussein's statue, the BBC was doing a report on an Earthquake in China instead. If that's true, what do you think of it?

I watched the statue come down live on bbc so it is not true, also they had an exiled Iraqi there who explained how it felt seeing the statue come down and what he felt about the US troops putting the US flag over its head.

Sorry, I could have sworn I heard BBC, but maybe it was Al-Jazeera. I get those two mixed up.

 

[freegeeks]

I watched the statue come down live on bbc so it is not true, also they had an exiled Iraqi there who explained how it felt seeing the statue come down and what he felt about the US troops putting the US flag over its head.

I will always remember the loud "Oh Nooooooooo" from the exiled Iraqi on BBC when that US marine put the flag over its head. The guy was pretty emotional about it

 

[ConclamoLudus]

I think the real trouble that most liberals have with FOX is the ratings. I'm not argueing that they're unbiased, but I think most of America understands that when they turn it on and they watch it because they probably agree with it more, that's the real fear that liberals have of FOX. The world isn't exactly lacking in news coverage on any medium, but people will probably get more of their news from a channel that they agree with more often.

I'm sure anybody could dig up a bias for either party on any station. You are much more likely to pick out things you disagree with because they may make you angry, all the while you are probably ignoring the stuff that you agree with.

Ratings Link

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
I think the real trouble that most liberals have with FOX is the ratings. I'm not argueing that they're unbiased, but I think most of America understands that when they turn it on and they watch it because they probably agree with it more, that's the real fear that liberals have of FOX. The world isn't exactly lacking in news coverage on any medium, but people will probably get more of their news from a channel that they agree with more often.

It's not the ratings per se, it's that so many in the US unquestioningly absorb the attitudes and opinions expressed on FOX "news" and spend most of their waking hours regurgitating them. This thread is actually an excellent example of this; half the rebuttals from those on the right side of the spectrum are just sound-bites they've retained from Fox via sheer repetition.