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[IHateMyJob2004]

it's all relative, do they have more cash than microsoft? more than google? more than apple?

can they afford to make bb11 if bb10 fails?

How much is it costing them to make BB10 while generating billions in free cash flow a year?

You do realize there is a worldwide market. And in that market, many people don't want or can not afford smartphones, correct? Even in the US, you may be surprised to find that some people see a way to save $20 and they save $20. Shocking, I know. RIMM will remain FCF positive. That is a non issue.

In a world (note that I did not say USA) that tends to actually like their Blackberrys it is hard to see that new tech would result in some sort of failure.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

RIM isn't going anywhere, at least anytime soon.

We just swapped out a small subsection of our users old BB's for Android devices. They revolted and they were all switched out to newer BB's in three weeks. BB has an entrenched corporate segment.

Having said that, I think RIM is done in the consumer space. But I also don't think the consumer space is where they make most of their money as it is anyways.

RIMM also provides an app for iOS and Droid to use their e-mail servers. Not as secure (if I remember correctly) but it bridges the gap a bit. RIMM, satisfying the demands of the consumer.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Holy crap, go check out the keyboard about 6:30 in. Hope that thing is patented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x5KKQx04yD0#!

 

[Jodell88]

Holy crap, go check out the keyboard about 6:30 in. Hope that thing is patented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x5KKQx04yD0#!

I really like the keyboard also. I really believe that BB10 will deliver a solid user experience.

 

[trmiv]

Funny, I've been at my current job for two years and in that time we've gone from over 100 BB users down to 3 today. They all got iPhones or Android phones.

Yea we've been losing BB users quickly as well. We've added almost 500 wireless email users in the past year, and I'd say 475 of those were Android or iOS (with the bulk being iOS). We have close to 1000 iOS/Android users now, and 170 BB users.

 

[bearxor]

Funny, I've been at my current job for two years and in that time we've gone from over 100 BB users down to 3 today. They all got iPhones or Android phones.

To be completely fair, they were pretty crappy Android devices (Casio G'Zone Commmando, free because the company wanted to save money).

I'm not trying to point out trends, I simply stated that there is still a section in the corporate community that is loyal to BlackBerry.

RIMM also provides an app for iOS and Droid to use their e-mail servers. Not as secure (if I remember correctly) but it bridges the gap a bit. RIMM, satisfying the demands of the consumer.

Funny you bring something like that up. It's been my belief that within the next 10 year, RIM will have to transition to a services-based company, providing solutions for iOS, Android and (maybe) WP. I think their hardware solutions will be nearly non-existent eventually, but the company won't be going anywhere.

 

[iSights]

Problem is, RIM thinks they're in the mobile phone business. They're not. They think they're in the handset business. They're not.

They're in the communications business.

The value behind the BlackBerry phone system is BlackBerry Messenger. It, and the backend services, are what make the platform valuable. Without it, a BlackBerry is just a so-so phone with a decent keyboard.

To survive, RIM needs to roll out a secure, cross-platform messaging system for use on existing smartphones and tablets. That's iOS. That's Android. And that's Window's Phone.

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[IHateMyJob2004]

>> To survive, RIM needs to roll out a secure, cross-platform messaging system
>> for use on existing smartphones and tablets. That's iOS. That's Android.
>> And that's Window's Phone.

OK, since that happened months ago. Do you have anything else to add? Or is that post from the slashdot comments that you copied and pasted not your own original thouht?

I'll one up you. The BB10 will integrate all social networking into one application. Phone numbers, e-mail, twitter, facebook, etc .... all integrated into one app. That's BB10.

 

[lothar]

Holy crap, go check out the keyboard about 6:30 in. Hope that thing is patented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x5KKQx04yD0#!

Meh...I don't see anything special about the keyboard besides the gestures.

The keyboard clearly uses SwiftKey's prediction engine.
RIMM can't patent that because they didn't invent it.

Any keyboard where you have to move your fingers out of the way after typing each letter to see if the suggestion has shown up yet embedded in the keys is bound to be slow.
Without the predictions above the key, out of the way of your fingers, it is faster to just type the whole word than it is to flick suggestions out of the keyboard.

I 100% agree with that statement.
I don't understand how RIMM's method can be faster than SwiftKey's method.
Some people may prefer it to be embedded in the keys. Others may prefer it to be right above the keyboard like SwiftKey currently implements on their Android version.
While it may be evolutionary, I don't see this method as revolutionary and it certainly won't win any typing records.

 

[lothar]

RIMM's stock is at a low, and the numbers look interesting. Hope it's not a value trap. :hmm:
If one thinks they will be successful with BB10, then now may be the time to buy their stock.

The question is...Do you buy RIMM's stock or Nokia's?
If Nokia didn't put all it's eggs in one basket, they would almost be a no brainer here.
Will WP7/8 ever gain any traction? At some point I expect BB to stop losing marketshare once BB10 is released. BB has a very strong brand in the smartphone market. Microsoft also has tons of cash.

I am still of the belief that there's only room for 3 OS's in this market.
Android/iOS competing between 1st and 2nd place, with either WP7/8 or BB10 being a distand 3rd. 4th place won't be worth mentioning and may as well be dead.

People keep saying Blackberry should leave the consumer market. I see that as something that will only lead to their faster demise.

 

[zerocool84]

RIMM's stock is at a low, and the numbers look interesting. Hope it's not a value trap. :hmm:
If one thinks they will be successful with BB10, then now may be the time to buy their stock.

The question is...Do you buy RIMM's stock or Nokia's?
If Nokia didn't put all it's eggs in one basket, they would almost be a no brainer here.
Will WP7/8 ever gain any traction? At some point I expect BB to stop losing marketshare once BB10 is released. BB has a very strong brand in the smartphone market. Microsoft also has tons of cash.

I am still of the belief that there's only room for 3 OS's in this market.
Android/iOS competing between 1st and 2nd place, with either WP7/8 or BB10 being a distand 3rd. 4th place won't be worth mentioning and may as well be dead.

People keep saying Blackberry should leave the consumer market. I see that as something that will only lead to their faster demise.

I'd bet on Windows Phone over BB10. Microsoft has endless amounts of money to keep throwing at WP to eventually make it succeed. RIM does not have that luxury.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

RIM is still focusing on the businss end. That's the whole point of gestures on the keyboard. They want to focus on minimizing wasted time.

As for the consumer end, that is just apps/games. And they are working hard towards getting the devloper community enthused and involved. Seems to be working from the outside looking in.

 

[lothar]

Well...So much for the new "exclusive" Blackberry keyboard.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/14/octopus-keyboard-iphone-blackberry-10/

There's an app for that.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Well...So much for the new "exclusive" Blackberry keyboard.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/14/octopus-keyboard-iphone-blackberry-10/

There's an app for that.

All that is needed is a jailbroken iPhone. Go figure.

Also, the BB10 software learns user tendencies. It predicts the next word based on user history, not a dictionary like the app for jailboken iPhones.