Bay Trail benchmark appears online, crushes fastest Snapdragon ARM SoC

[SiliconWars]

Would Intel have been smarter to design Haswell for a higher power envelope and sacrifice the thin and light laptop market?

Intel has more than enough billions to do both, but it costs them less to alienate enthuasiasts.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel has more than enough billions to do both, but it costs them less to alienate enthuasiasts.

Dear me, you're right. I guess Intel does have products aimed at Enthusiasts,

So, what's the problem, again? Is it that the -E processors cost more and that enthusiasts want ultra high end parts for $300?

 

[Sweepr]

There is something called LGA2011 for enthusiasts, and guess what, it will will get IB-E in two months and a badass 8C/16T Haswell-E (LGA2011-3) next year. No reason to rush anything when your competition needs a 220W 5GHz cherry-picked CPU to barely match your regular (nearly half the die size IGP included) 84W U$300 chips. They dont even need a new desktop chip next year to keep LGA1150 users happy if they manage to improve Haswell OC capability in that ''refresh'' (the higher IPC is already there, very similar if not better gains vs SB than Nehalem -> SB). Moreover, both Intel and AMD have a clear focus on mobile now.

 

[inf64]

Not hard when you have 10x the RnD and process node tech reverse engineered from another world . If both had access to the same resources the race would be much closer.

 

[blackened23]

Intel has more than enough billions to do both, but it costs them less to alienate enthuasiasts.

I must be under the mistaken impression that the Haswell is for mainstream use. I also must be mistaken that the i5 4670k Haswell barely costs more than what a Celeron did in 1998 - Sure sounds like the enthusiast line of CPUs to me.

Or you could always opt for an "enthusiast" 8 core 8350 which uses 5 times more power while still managing to be substantially slower in nearly...everything.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Not hard when you have 10x the RnD and process node tech reverse engineered from another world . If both had access to the same resources the race would be much closer.

Sure, but that's why AMD shouldn't even bother going up against Intel in the high end space. And that's precisely what new management has done...shifted focus to battles that it can win.

 

[Abwx]

Dear me, you're right. I guess Intel does have products aimed at Enthusiasts,

So, what's the problem, again? Is it that the -E processors cost more and that enthusiasts want ultra high end parts for $300?

Very nice slide , indeed/
Left part in yellow specify " First Intel 8 core DT CPU"...

So intel agree that a competitor has already a 8 core
desktop CPU offering.

 

[blackened23]

Not hard when you have 10x the RnD and process node tech reverse engineered from another world . If both had access to the same resources the race would be much closer.

Is that intel's fault? I think with proper leadership many years ago, that AMD could be Intel's position right now. But what happened instead? AMD had their chance after the Athlon and they freakin' blew it. AMD had the lead and they squandered their opportunity with their arrogance. Now they're paying the price and probably will never, ever recover. Thank Hector Ruiz for this.

I'd love to see AMD being more competitive in the desktop and mobile space, but the fault for their current misfortunes belong squarely on AMD and their lack of good leadership. Unfortunately in the silicon business - moreso now than ever before - making money requires a lot of money in the war chest, so it's going to be tough for AMD to make any type of comeback.

 

[Abwx]

Is that intel's fault? AMD had their chance after the Athlon and they freakin' blew it. AMD had the lead and they squandered their opportunity with their arrogance. Now they're paying the price and probably will never, ever recover. Thank Hector Ruiz for this.

This has been discussed at legnth , their chance
was crushed by illegal activities , intel did throw more
than 10bn to crush them , it worked and this is why
we are here theses days.

 

[blackened23]

Oh. Of course. It was intel's fault.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This has been discussed at legnth , their chance
was crushed by illegal activities , intel did throw more
than 10bn to crush them , it worked and this is why
we are here theses days.

I dont recall Intel forcing AMD to delay a node in pure greed and to waste 5.5B$ on ATI.

Its all nice if we close your eyes and pretend its someone elses fault than who it really is. Then I also want the Amiga back in its original form and with unified memory space between CPU and GPU. Something the PC is just closing in on now. But one can only blame Commodore and perhaps Motorola. And not IBM, VIA, AMD, Intel, HP, Dell, and whoever else.

 

[SiliconWars]

Fine, swap enthusiast with mainstream when it's suits your agenda. I wonder how many of you would normally label yourselves as "mainstream" though.

The point stands, it's people with quad SB's who aren't upgrading. None of you did, none of you will be with the "Haswell refresh", mainstream or enthusiast or whatever you want to call yourselves.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Fine, swap enthusiast with mainstream when it's suits your agenda. I wonder how many of you would normally label yourselves as "mainstream" though.

The point stands, it's people with quad SB's who aren't upgrading. None of you did, none of you will be with the "Haswell refresh", mainstream or enthusiast or whatever you want to call yourselves.

So people should stick with their Phenoms too?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Fine, swap enthusiast with mainstream when it's suits your agenda. I wonder how many of you would normally label yourselves as "mainstream" though.

Ah, now accusations of an "agenda". It never stops with the personal attacks and jabs, SiliconWars, eh?

Tell me...what was the average single threaded performance per clock gain from Yorkfield to Nehalem?

 

[Abwx]

I dont recall Intel forcing AMD to delay a node in pure greed and to waste 5.5B$ on ATI.

I recall them bribing retailers here in France to not
sell competing products , i can specify the targeted
retailers names and contracts , this was implemented
during the "intel inside" campaign back in 2001 and
through 2002 , long before they back payed the DELL
and HPs when they were even more pressed by the A64.

 

[SiliconWars]

Ah, now accusations of an "agenda". It never stops with the personal attacks and jabs, SiliconWars, eh?

Agenda is a personal attack now is it? I bet I can find posts by you and the rest claiming that the E-series are for idiots with too much money and the 25/2600K etc are all that anybody needs.

As for personal attacks, you should know plenty about it, or you would on any other forum.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I recall them bribing retailers here in France to not
sell competing products , i can specify the targeted
retailers names and contracts , this was implemented
during the "intel inside" campaign back in 2001 and
through 2002 , long before they back payed the DELL
and HPs when they were even more pressed by the A64.

You dont want to talk about it do you? You just want to close your eyes and point elsewhere in hope that the reality doesnt show up.

AMD on purpose delayed a node, simply because they didnt think Intel could beat them. Instead all they saw was $ signs by milking what they had. Then they wasted 5.5B$ on a disaster called ATI afterwards. Not to mention delayed chip designs.

So unless you can prove that the board at AMD worked for Intel. Then its AMDs own fault.

 

[SiliconWars]

AMD on purpose delayed a node, simply because they didnt think Intel could beat them. Instead all they saw was $ signs by milking what they had. Then they wasted 5.5B$ on a disaster called ATI afterwards. Not to mention delayed chip designs.

Is this the same ATI, without which there would have been no console revenue up till now, and no ~$6 billion over the next few years on the next gen?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Is this the same ATI, without which there would have been no console revenue up till now, and no ~$6 billion over the next few years on the next gen?

That revenue is not realized yet, and might never be. Also its revenue, not cash. You dont buy companies with revenue.

 

[SiliconWars]

That revenue is not realized yet, and might never be. Also its revenue, not cash. You dont buy companies with revenue.

I guess we'll find out when AMD's gpu division is 20% of yearly revenues won't we.

How close to $8 billion cash has McAfee come to recouping btw?

 

[blackened23]

Fine, swap enthusiast with mainstream when it's suits your agenda. I wonder how many of you would normally label yourselves as "mainstream" though.

What do you mean when it suits me? Intel's roadmap clearly defines the mainstream and enthusiast line and they haven't changed an awful lot in the past 5 years. E and X CPUs were always enthusiast while the unlocked K core i5/i7 CPUs have always been mainstream.

In fact, the 350$ and under segment has been considered the "mainstream" by intel for greater than a decade and has been defined as such on all of their roadmaps. Even the celerons were priced around the 200$ ballpark more than a decade ago.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I guess we'll find out when AMD's gpu division is 20% of yearly revenues won't we.

How close to $8 billion cash has McAfee come to recouping btw?

I am sure you can find the numbers in Intels results.

 

[SiliconWars]

I am sure you can find the numbers in Intels results.

So you know more about ATI's results than McAfee's? Figures.

 

[Abwx]

How close to $8 billion cash has McAfee come to recouping btw?

For a firm whose revenue was 1.2bn , guess thay paid
at a 40 PER , at best , it will take 40 years if there s
no revenue growth ...or decline.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So you know more about ATI's results than McAfee's? Figures.

No, but the point you missed was, that you obviously didnt check Intels reults for their software and service group that McAfee is part of. Else you wouldnt have posted such a silly thing.

That group made a 2381 million $ profit in 2012.