Battleship Bismarck

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Grasshopper, I think you really meant to say that they were fired from TU-22M Backfire bombers, not Su-24 Fencers. The movie was based on a book from the mid-1980s, I believe, so the story line was prety tired by the time it was made. You definitely don't mean the Tu-22 as it was a horribly different design altogether.

The AS-4 can be carried by either the Tu-22 or Tu-22M. You're right that they are completely different airplanes. The planes show in the movie were either Su-24s or Tu-22Ms. I don't recall which off the top of my head.

Grasshopper

 

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Originally posted by: Aquaman

Originally posted by: Pastfinder

I would have liked to see the battle royal match between the Yamato vs Bizmark vs Missouri For sure the Missouri would have wooped ass......... better guns, better targeting & better speed

The Yamato had 18" guns. If one of THOSE shells hit the Missouri or Bismarck, look out! That would be one hell of a matchup though, damn...

From the link provided earlier.......... the US 16 inch gun was just as good as the Japanese 18 inch gun

GENERAL COMMENTS: The Japanese 18.1"/45 reigned supreme as the most destructive piece of naval ordnance ever mounted afloat. However, its ballistic performance was not particularly inspiring, and the performance of its Type 91 shells was inferior to the norm, partly because they were optimized for underwater trajectories 7. Immediately below it in terms of power is the US 16"/50. Good ballistics, and superb shells, give this gun a tremendous whallop, and in combat terms I rate it as the equal of the Japanese weapon, largely because of its shells. Below that, in an upset, comes Richelieu's 15"/45, as the best all-around 15" gun, and feel the most useful in an actual combat situation. The Italian 15"/50 was an enormously potent weapon from a raw power perspective, but it sacrificed a lot in order to achieve that performance, and had decidedly inferior shells. I should note, though, that I am still investigating this particular gun and her shells in more detail; the information available on her shells is rather spotty. Bismarck's 15"/47 shell is 10% lighter than the French and Italian, although her cyclic rate is attractive, and her guns were very accurate. At the bottom of the spectrum, King George V's 14" gun clearly doesn't have nearly the oomph necessary to compete with the rest of these guys.

Cheers,
Aquaman

eh, it wasn't all one sided. a little farther down the page...,..u only win if u stay far enuph away from the 18inch guns

If the American stays at range (30,000-35,000 yards), she should be able to deliver many more hits to Yamato than she receives in return, because she can both shoot and maneuver (due to her much better stable vertical fire-control system elements). Further, Yamato's internal subdivision is not as good as SoDak's, and American hits are therefore likely to be more damaging than the Japanese. On the other hand, historically the Americans had little idea of Yamato's capabilities, and were likely to have attempted to close the range with her, not knowing the extent of her armoring, or that she was, in fact, armed with truly enormous 18.1" guns, rather than the 16" guns everyone on the American side of the lake assumed was the case. Closing the range with Yamato would likely have resulted in the American ship learning a painful lesson in gunfire supremacy. South Dakota's belt is better than Yamato's (barely), but at close range Yamato's guns have much better penetration. Further, Yamato's secondaries are very powerful, and would have begun to take a possible toll on SoDak's exposed radars and fire-control equipment, which would reduce her advantage in fire-control substantially if disabled. The bottom line is that South Dakota is a boxer, and should maintain her distance from a slugger like Yamato. Under the right circumstances, however, she was perfectly capable of dishing out critical damage to her hulking opponent.