Its very interesting, this concept of friendly-fire in online first person shooters. I suppose the argument is that it adds a sort of "realistic" feel to the game, and helps to check people's fire (less spray and pray). Perhaps more appropriate (and funny) is the even more "realistic" result that friendly fire has of pissing people off, creating ill-will amongst teammates and starting threads like this. It's not really a big problem for me, b/c half the time (literally, i'm not kidding here people, this is an EPIdemic in BF 2) i'm flying in the air b/c of an artillery strike, friendly or otherwise. The biggest thing i've noticed is that people simply get frustrated after some time, and before they leave the server they simply start hosing all their nearest teamates in the spawn area. Does anyone know DICE's take on this - why FF was implemented as part of the game, whether it can be turned off on certain servers, etc.
I play on a Day of Defeat server where FF is always on, and with the right kind of players (i.e. competitive, but not immature) and good admins, it can work to enhance the gameplay. Most of the time though - and I gotta be honest with ya, most of the time is practically ALL the time - it simply generates ill-will. Player a kills player b, player a doesn't apologize, player b kills player a, and the war begins....
I play on a Day of Defeat server where FF is always on, and with the right kind of players (i.e. competitive, but not immature) and good admins, it can work to enhance the gameplay. Most of the time though - and I gotta be honest with ya, most of the time is practically ALL the time - it simply generates ill-will. Player a kills player b, player a doesn't apologize, player b kills player a, and the war begins....
Killed my teammate by accident, picked up his medic kit, then revived him. He punished me afterward I brought him back from the dead. I was so pissed I was about to kill him all over again!
I was in an attack chopper almost got out of the ship, when a friendly jet comes and hits us directly, instant death for all 3 of us. I was punished for the TK.
Mines are my greatest and most powerful tool, but for the love of crap, they aren't worth the load of tks you're going to get by using them! I have thought about the 10 second rule so much spacelord, it makes so much sense it isn't funny.
Sometimes you just can't predict whether you shoot a teammate or an asshole!
I was in an attack chopper almost got out of the ship, when a friendly jet comes and hits us directly, instant death for all 3 of us. I was punished for the TK.
Mines are my greatest and most powerful tool, but for the love of crap, they aren't worth the load of tks you're going to get by using them! I have thought about the 10 second rule so much spacelord, it makes so much sense it isn't funny.
Sometimes you just can't predict whether you shoot a teammate or an asshole!
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If it was obvious stupidity on my part then I forgive. Otherwise I simply wait for an apology. If it was blatent then I still don't forgive but if the person simply says "sorry" then I will forgive them. Basically I press nothing until that 'sorry' comes up, if enough time passes they get punished by default.
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Maximilian
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Originally posted by: Soviet
Idiots like you are my favourite prey
Yeah because pointing out your stupidity makes me an idiot...
You are one of those dicks that punishes people because you're just looking for trouble and a reason to start feuds in the game. Then you ruin the game for everyone else by being the little child that you probably are. Don't worry, some day your balls will drop and you will grow up a bit.
We've all made mistakes while playing the game. I think they fixed the TK issue with Arty strikes though. I don't think a commander gets penalized for TK's now in that instance. If they wanted, they could change the mines issue by just not allowing points lost for blowing up a teammate either for the engineer or the person driving over them.
I have by accident killed someone right after spawning if it seems that they are running right at me before I can tell if they are friend or foe. I have revived someone after doing this by accident and wasn't penalized, but you will get some people that don't have a clue who will punish for the sake of it.
I don't punish often, but I will if I'm sitting in a vehicle all alone and someone rolls by and blows me up for no reason or if someone runs around and shoots without paying attention.
I think the TK idea is so that it doesn't become another shooter where all people do is just blitz an area with twice as much fire as needed. It's more for strategic assaults and realism because we have heard of way too much friendly fire deaths in the past few years due to mistakes and accidents IRL.
I have by accident killed someone right after spawning if it seems that they are running right at me before I can tell if they are friend or foe. I have revived someone after doing this by accident and wasn't penalized, but you will get some people that don't have a clue who will punish for the sake of it.
I don't punish often, but I will if I'm sitting in a vehicle all alone and someone rolls by and blows me up for no reason or if someone runs around and shoots without paying attention.
I think the TK idea is so that it doesn't become another shooter where all people do is just blitz an area with twice as much fire as needed. It's more for strategic assaults and realism because we have heard of way too much friendly fire deaths in the past few years due to mistakes and accidents IRL.
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You assume that I take the game too seriously. I was merely pointing out the fact that this guy is an ass like so many other asses in the game. I will also assume that because you defend him that you are guilty of being an asshat as well.
I play the game to enjoy it and some people make that difficult. Not too hard to figure out why I called him out.
If not giving a crap about meaningless points in a game and getting all bent out of shape because someone subtracted a few because I killed them makes me an asshat, then you got me.
Me = p1zz0wn3d.
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Ever thought that people might play with the goal of getting a good score?? Ever noticed people have played games for fun + getting a high score since the beginning of video games?
Plus this guy sounded like someone who would be an idiot and run into mines/nades/claymores then punish just to be an ass. Then he says he harasses the other guy who already was punished till hes banned? Yeah we need more people like that in the game.. :roll:
Use common sense like you would in real life. Don't run in the middle of the road when you hear a vehicle coming behind you. Get over to the side of the road and let them pass.
What really bothers me is the people who punish instantly, without giving you the chance to apologize. It's like they have a finger on the punish button just waiting to press it. The worst is the people that run in front of your vehicle. And I'm someone that drives carefully and is always watching for people, but sometimes you just can't avoid them.
BTW, many people seem to think that getting punished hurts their score more. This is false. You lose the same amount of points for a TK, whether you're punished or not. Punishing is only used by the server for kicking, if you get too many witihn a certain period of time (or somethig like that).
BTW, many people seem to think that getting punished hurts their score more. This is false. You lose the same amount of points for a TK, whether you're punished or not. Punishing is only used by the server for kicking, if you get too many witihn a certain period of time (or somethig like that).
Uhh... I'm about 96.2% sure you're wrong. I think you lose the initial points from the TK, and if you're punished, you lose a few more.
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Hehehe, you seem worked up.
I would like to meet these people who play for a "score" then i can destroy their harmonious way of play.
I only punish for blatant TKs. I never do it for mines or vehicle issues.
Blatant means you and I were visible to each other for enough time for even the enemy to know who we are.
Blatant means you and I were visible to each other for enough time for even the enemy to know who we are.
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Originally posted by: Soviet
Hehehe, you seem worked up.
I would like to meet these people who play for a "score" then i can destroy their harmonious way of play.
Its ok. As with any game, there will always be childish n00bs.
Don't take this personally, but I think a person who gets all worked up over video game points is a little more childish than someone who exploits that weakness.
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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Originally posted by: Soviet
Hehehe, you seem worked up.
I would like to meet these people who play for a "score" then i can destroy their harmonious way of play.
Its ok. As with any game, there will always be childish n00bs.
Don't take this personally, but I think a person who gets all worked up over video game points is a little more childish than someone who exploits that weakness.
Yeah, playing the game the way its meant to be played is more childish then trying to get people pissed off at you and then harassing them...
My previous post stands.
The only time I punish nowadays is if it is a friendly jet ramming me, or if it is somebody tk'ing me for a vehicle.
Now we could call the jet ram an accident, but I think a little negative reinforcement might prevent such accidents from continually occurring.
Now we could call the jet ram an accident, but I think a little negative reinforcement might prevent such accidents from continually occurring.
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: BroeBo
Originally posted by: Soviet
Hehehe, you seem worked up.
I would like to meet these people who play for a "score" then i can destroy their harmonious way of play.
Its ok. As with any game, there will always be childish n00bs.
Don't take this personally, but I think a person who gets all worked up over video game points is a little more childish than someone who exploits that weakness.
Yeah, playing the game the way its meant to be played is more childish then trying to get people pissed off at you and then harassing them...
My previous post stands.
You can play the game the way it's meant to be played without getting a pantie wedgie over someone penalizing you for an accidental TK.
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