Battle over Sex-ed books in Texas

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: quentinterintino

Originally posted by: skace
TEXAS = DUMB

yeah, new hampshire must be the shiznit huh?

NH pregnancy rate = 2.4%

TX pregnancy rate = 9.7%



Keep up the good work.

 

[halik]

Texas has been among the top five states in the country for teenage pregnancies for several years.

I'm glad to see that the abistinence thing is working out for Texas...theres nothing more effective than apply religion-based practices onto the real world. :roll:

 

[quentinterintino]

i could care less about the pregnancy rate, I just wouldn't be caught dead living in nh.

edit: just didn't like the equality quote from skace

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: quentinterintino

Originally posted by: skace
TEXAS = DUMB

yeah, new hampshire must be the shiznit huh?

NH pregnancy rate = 2.4%

TX pregnancy rate = 9.7%



Keep up the good work.

haha owned!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

For example, one textbook under review advises that a good way a teen-ager can prevent a sexually transmitted disease is to get plenty of rest so he or she can have a clear head about sex and choose abstinence.

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!



Was this some book found in someone's attic from the 1950s??

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
I just agree with the message, the safest sex is no sex. It is a true statement and can not be refuted.

That is a logical impossibility. The statement is not true. I am going to use the driving example again and maybe you can understand it this time.

Bob: I am the safest driver in the world.
Joe: Really, how is that?
Bob: I just don't drive.
Joe: But if you don't drive.... how are you a driver?
Bob: I ... uh... er.... well.... I'm a driver that doesn't drive, thats like the safest kind.
Joe: Bob, cocaine is a helluva drug.
Bob: Hellz yaaaaa.

If you are going to have a sex-ed class that simply tells kids not to have sex. Why not just skip the sex-ed class and give them another math class? Or a health class that teaches kids not to be so fat.

Originally posted by: quentinterintino
yeah, new hampshire must be the shiznit huh?

Gut reaction post. I mean, I don't read post after post about people in NH doing retarded things or else I'd probably say the same thing. I'm conditioned by ATOT to think Texas sucks. I can't help it.

Lol, Thanks for sticking up for me Fausto 🙂 But I didn't really mean to say anything bad about Texas. It just sort of came out in a weak moment. I like Amherst NH, really nice place, especially in the fall. You should see it, Quentin.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it. Regardless, it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex.

agreed

 

[quentinterintino]

yeah, no sweat. I do agree w/ you on the sex ed thing - our politicians are freaking dumb. But, there's some pretty smart people in texas, all in all. Right now i'm in new mexico - beautiful, but not as cool.


EDIT: there's also probably more people that live in Houston than the entire state of NH

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: quentinterintino
yeah, no sweat. I do agree w/ you on the sex ed thing - our politicians are freaking dumb. But, there's some pretty smart people in texas, all in all. Right now i'm in new mexico - beautiful, but not as cool.

And ranked just above TX for teen pregnancies. 😛

 

[Gurck]

I find it fascinating that such an ass-backwards place still exists in this day and age. I guess being in NY and not having this sort of thing anywhere near me has lead to the assumption that it's only certain backwoods pockets where everyone's related, but this is the majority of a state - and a big one at that - which feels this way :Q

 

[quentinterintino]

haha yeah, what do you think the kids in los alamos have to do all day?

-not study, from what i've heard.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it. Regardless, it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex.

agreed

it's a fellacy per it's definitetion... no sex is not sex and hence forth cannot be the safest sex. Can someone draw a venn diagram?? Safe sex is subset of sex, no-sex is outside the sex set, so no-sex != safe sex

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: halik

Texas has been among the top five states in the country for teenage pregnancies for several years.

I'm glad to see that the abistinence thing is working out for Texas...theres nothing more effective than apply religion-based practices onto the real world. :roll:

Fvcking retards.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it. Regardless, it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex.

I have to partly disagree. It is the parents responsibility to teach the kids how to be responsible about sex, and inform them how sex works and the results can be. It is the school's responsibility to teach them how the reproductive system works, how pregnancy works, what all the diseases are and how they spread and how they are prevented.

The school should NOT be encouraging kids with condoms and morning after pills, and teaching them how to give good head or the ins and outs of homosexuality.

Abstinence is a good lesson but they're going way overboard with their approach. Radical conservatism is just as bad, or may be even worse, than Radical liberalism.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: brunswickite
Text

Education is considering and will likely approve four books, all of which extol the virtues of abstinence. Three make no mention of contraceptives at all while one makes passing reference to condoms.

For example, one textbook under review advises that a good way a teen-ager can prevent a sexually transmitted disease is to get plenty of rest so he or she can have a clear head about sex and choose abstinence.

:roll:

What amazes me is that the very people who oppose this are the same people who want us to take this very approach with educating children about firearms.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it. Regardless, it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex.

I have to partly disagree. It is the parents responsibility to teach the kids how to be responsible about sex, and inform them how sex works and the results can be. It is the school's responsibility to teach them how the reproductive system works, how pregnancy works, what all the diseases are and how they spread and how they are prevented.

The school should NOT be encouraging kids with condoms and morning after pills, and teaching them how to give good head or the ins and outs of homosexuality.

Abstinence is a good lesson but they're going way overboard with their approach. Radical conservatism is just as bad, or may be even worse, than Radical liberalism.

As the evidence points out, they're going to do it regardless. At least radically left thinking would help prevent some disease transmission and pregnancy, so I'd have to say it's far better than the radical right. Cute example about giving kids tips on oral btw. I'd like for you to quote where anyone in this thread suggested that, or any state which does this. Any time you've got a link or quote, just go ahead and reply with it 😉

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: brunswickite
Text

Education is considering and will likely approve four books, all of which extol the virtues of abstinence. Three make no mention of contraceptives at all while one makes passing reference to condoms.

For example, one textbook under review advises that a good way a teen-ager can prevent a sexually transmitted disease is to get plenty of rest so he or she can have a clear head about sex and choose abstinence.

:roll:

What amazes me is that the very people who oppose this are the same people who want us to take this very approach with educating children about firearms.

hah great point... any takers?
Kinda hard to argue for firearms safety prgram at school though (analogous to sex-ed), guns arent really a hot/problem issue in schools. (someones gonna say school shootings - more people die annualy by getting hit by a lightning than getting shot in a multiple public shootout)

<- has way too many guns at the house🙂

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it.

Do you have a problem with the books not mentioning any contraceptives?

I wonder how many kids that get to the age of having sex haven't heard
of contraceptives?

Do we need to write books to tell kids how to breath also?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it.

Do you have a problem with the books not mentioning any contraceptives?

I wonder how many kids that get to the age of having sex haven't heard
of contraceptives?

Do we need to write books to tell kids how to breath also?

well if you have a school program that's teaching kids about body's vital functions, then covering the relevant information would be a good idea...

Why not leave out parking procedures from drivers ed? Reading from English classes etc. I'm sure kids at that they can figure it out themselves...

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dabuddha

The lesson for Texas teens is that the only safe sex is no sex, and that may be a lesson that heads nationwide.

That message is correct so I don't see a problem with it. Regardless, it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about sex.

I have to partly disagree. It is the parents responsibility to teach the kids how to be responsible about sex, and inform them how sex works and the results can be. It is the school's responsibility to teach them how the reproductive system works, how pregnancy works, what all the diseases are and how they spread and how they are prevented.

The school should NOT be encouraging kids with condoms and morning after pills, and teaching them how to give good head or the ins and outs of homosexuality.

Abstinence is a good lesson but they're going way overboard with their approach. Radical conservatism is just as bad, or may be even worse, than Radical liberalism.

As the evidence points out, they're going to do it regardless. At least radically left thinking would help prevent some disease transmission and pregnancy, so I'd have to say it's far better than the radical right. Cute example about giving kids tips on oral btw. I'd like for you to quote where anyone in this thread suggested that, or any state which does this. Any time you've got a link or quote, just go ahead and reply with it 😉

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