Battle of the Heavy Metal Bands: Quiet Riot vs Twisted Sister

[Bon Bon]

Man, I hate Heavy Metal as much as any sensible person would, but I don't see how TS was ever considered Metal. Quiet Riot, even.

Dio considered quiet riot metal. That makes quiet riot metal. Idk about twisted sister

 

[nakedfrog]

Well I do absolutely love AC/DC and Black Sabbath for the most part, but I was under the impression that if you ask someone today, some serious metalhead, they would never consider that "metal." I get the impression that they put AC/DC and Ozzy in the same genre with Taylor Swift.

Depends on if they know/respect their history, Black Sabbath are generally considered the first heavy metal band, even within the metal community. But I do understand where you're coming from, my partner grew up conservative Christian and rarely heard secular music until she moved out, and then gravitated towards pretty heavy stuff, Dimmu Borgir, In Flames, Cradle of Filth, etc, and I played some older metal band for her and she was like "this is metal?" so I filled her in a bit on the evolution of the genre. Like, if you've mostly listened to extreme metal and then someone plays Danzig's "Mother" for you, that's quite a jump, but there's no doubt that Danzig was considered metal.

 

[UsandThem]

Well I do absolutely love AC/DC and Black Sabbath for the most part, but I was under the impression that if you ask someone today, some serious metalhead, they would never consider that "metal." I get the impression that they put AC/DC and Ozzy in the same genre with Taylor Swift.

Even though their musical style varied quite a bit, I consider Black Sabbath to be the first big metal band. Of course this being 1970, and music has changed a lot since then. But compared to all the hippie music back then, Black Sabbath's debut album scared the hell out of a lot of people out when it first was released, and nothing else really compared to it at the time.

ACDC to me, was always a hard rock band. I guess they could have been considered a metal band as well since their style could be heavier than most other mainstream bands back then.

Ozzy was always metal. His 80s solo albums were not being the heaviest sound compared to other bands at the time (Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, etc.), but they were more of a hair metal style. He still scared the hell out of a lot of people in the 80s with his image / reputation.

Metal has changed a lot since it first hit, and some of the metal bands at the time don't sound heavy compared to what metal eventually evolved into, so it's always important to compare it to what music was out when it was released.

 

[Muse]

Quiet Riot really not on my radar. Twisted Sister did really rock!!!

 

[nakedfrog]

Even though their musical style varied quite a bit, I consider Black Sabbath to be the first big metal band. Of course this being 1970, and music has changed a lot since then. But compared to all the hippie music back then, Black Sabbath's debut album scared the hell out of a lot of people out when it first was released, and nothing else really compared to it at the time.

ACDC to me, was always a hard rock band. I guess they could have been considered a metal band as well since their style could be heavier than most other mainstream bands back then.

Ozzy was always metal. His 80s solo albums were not being the heaviest sound compared to other bands at the time (Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, etc.), but they were more of a hair metal style. He still scared the hell out of a lot of people in the 80s with his image / reputation.

Metal has changed a lot since it first hit, and some of the metal bands at the time don't sound heavy compared to what metal eventually evolved into, so it's always important to compare it to what music was out when it was released.

I mean, back then Metallica et al were the "extreme metal" of the day, being referred to as speed metal or thrash metal.

 

[UsandThem]

I mean, back then Metallica et al were the "extreme metal" of the day, being referred to as speed metal or thrash metal.

Yup.

Before Metallica and Slayer showed up, a song like this (released 1982) was considered to be heavy metal:

Then in 1983, the leftovers of the punk movement evolved into a heavier sound, and the next generation of metal began.

 

[Iron Woode]

LOL

My old ass thread is keeping people talking!

Here is something for everyone:

 

[lxskllr]

I can't listen to metal generally. It's just too much. I appreciate the skill, and can enjoy analytically listening to it, but everything turned up to 12 is fatiguing, and it gets on my nerves fast. A few years ago, I saw a group of (internationally known)metal bands in a bar, and had a surprisingly good time. The only band name I remember was TÝR. The music sounded great, and the people there were cool. It was almost a classical audience, but with denim and leather.

My last experience with heavier music was from the 80s when I saw MötleyCrüe. The music was atrocious, and I don't think a bigger group of cunts has gathered in one place at one time than their fans. I don't have enough fingers to count the near fights that occurred during the show. I was prepped for that when I went to Baltimore, but it was completely unnecessary.

 

[Iron Woode]

Depends on if they know/respect their history, Black Sabbath are generally considered the first heavy metal band, even within the metal community. But I do understand where you're coming from, my partner grew up conservative Christian and rarely heard secular music until she moved out, and then gravitated towards pretty heavy stuff, Dimmu Borgir, In Flames, Cradle of Filth, etc, and I played some older metal band for her and she was like "this is metal?" so I filled her in a bit on the evolution of the genre. Like, if you've mostly listened to extreme metal and then someone plays Danzig's "Mother" for you, that's quite a jump, but there's no doubt that Danzig was considered metal.

this band would like to have a word about Heavy Metal's beginnings:

 

[UsandThem]

this band would like to have a word about Heavy Metal's beginnings:

Great (acid-rock) song, but IMO the first major label "metal" song was released in 1970 which was:

 

[nakedfrog]

this band would like to have a word about Heavy Metal's beginnings:

They can have as many words as they want, Blue Cheer typically gets the nod for "first heavy metal song", and Iron Butterfly aren't widely considered one of "the big three" progenitors

 

[VashHT]

I can't listen to metal generally. It's just too much. I appreciate the skill, and can enjoy analytically listening to it, but everything turned up to 12 is fatiguing, and it gets on my nerves fast. A few years ago, I saw a group of (internationally known)metal bands in a bar, and had a surprisingly good time. The only band name I remember was TÝR. The music sounded great, and the people there were cool. It was almost a classical audience, but with denim and leather.

My last experience with heavier music was from the 80s when I saw MötleyCrüe. The music was atrocious, and I don't think a bigger group of cunts has gathered in one place at one time than their fans. I don't have enough fingers to count the near fights that occurred during the show. I was prepped for that when I went to Baltimore, but it was completely unnecessary.

I saw Tyr live a few years ago they were pretty damn good. They were opening for another band Kalmah (who was awesome), they didn't happen to be at that bar as well by any chance?

 

[lxskllr]

I saw Tyr live a few years ago they were pretty damn good. They were opening for another band Kalmah (who was awesome), they didn't happen to be at that bar as well by any chance?

I couldn't say. This is really outside of my wheelhouse, so I don't know the names. I only remember TÝR because the name's short, and I especially liked them. There was a band from Finland there, but I don't know the name, and *a lot* of metal comes out of Finland.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Sorry, but when I found Post Rock Instrumental Metal (Russian Circles, Pray for Sound, Coma Recovery et al.) and Symphonic Rock, all the rest faded away.

The intro to Crue's Dr. Feel Good is still an attention getter though.

 

[dlerious]

They can have as many words as they want, Blue Cheer typically gets the nod for "first heavy metal song", and Iron Butterfly aren't widely considered one of "the big three" progenitors

Love some summertime blues