Basic classes to carry guns?

[Bock]

You can keep a handgun in your car (as long as it is out of sight) even if you don't have a CHL as part of the castle doctrine....

however, I would hate to get into a pissing contest with a cop over that who may not know that law...

Everyone knows that law. If they truly hassle you about it, just say you're on your way to xyz in a different county... One more thing, if you have a tx chl but aren't carrying, you still have to inform the officer. If they run your license and find out about the chl that way, D:

The shooting test is easy unless you've never shot a gun before and definitely shouldn't possess one.

 

[highland145]

The accuracy test is pretty laughable though....

The ranges/number of shots are:
20 shots at 5 yards
20 shots at 10 yards
10 shots at 15 yards

You have to be a total idiot to fail this portion.....

Ours started at 3yds...:\

Everyone knows that law. If they truly hassle you about it, just say you're on your way to xyz in a different county... One more thing, if you have a tx chl but aren't carrying, you still have to inform the officer. If they run your license and find out about the chl that way, D:

States are different. GA used to require that it be in plain view. IIRC, NC was similar. SC, it had to be in the glove box or console. GA and SC have since made some changes.

Had a case on the Grand Jury where the driver had a pistol in the original hard case in the front floorboard. Improper weapon...felony charge. I got the impression that he was being an ass and the cop returned the favor.

 

[WackyDan]

You can keep a handgun in your car (as long as it is out of sight) even if you don't have a CHL as part of the castle doctrine....

however, I would hate to get into a pissing contest with a cop over that who may not know that law...

You want to be very sure of that in your state. Here in NC you can not have a firearm concealed in your car without having a carry permit if that fire arm is operable, and within reach. So if you have it out of sight in the center console or even the glove box - even in the back seat, you are in violation of the law if you don't have a carry permit. If you have the center console locked or it is in a locked case, or disassembled then you are fine. There are a lot of people that have handguns here that travel back and forth to the range, etc with no carry permit and are violating the law... Innocently yes, but it is something they make clear in the carry class.

 

[WackyDan]

The accuracy test is pretty laughable though....

The ranges/number of shots are:
20 shots at 5 yards
20 shots at 10 yards
10 shots at 15 yards

You have to be a total idiot to fail this portion.....

Those live fire tests (at least in NC) are meant to address more than accuracy and also recognize that not every one is showing up with a full frame semi with at least a 4" barrel. They also limit the rounds to 5 as many show up with 5 shot revolvers. I showed up with my S&W J Frame .38. Which at double action only and a short barrel is a challenge to shoot accurate when you first get it( I had plenty of practice). So if you showed up and had never really put more than a few rounds through that gun, then the distances could be a challenge for you. More importantly, the NC class live fire was focused more on safety. You would fail if you mishandled the firearm in any way deemed inappropriate by the instructor and range officer. I've been through three concealed carry classes in three states now, and NC was the only one with live fire required.

 

[shira]

Because he's an RBM troll who posts stupid shit he thinks will get people worked up.

Indiana is one of the few states where you don't need training classes to get a CPL. I personally think the classes are a good idea and I fully support them but I don't live in Indiana, so my opinion means nothing.

No rage to see here. Not even a story. OP is just being a moron yet again.

You clearly don't live anywhere that requires an IQ above 60, yet you continue to spout your opinion on ATPN as though it means something.

 

[rudeguy]

You clearly don't live anywhere that requires an IQ above 60, yet you continue to spout your opinion on ATPN as though it means something.

It took you 26 hours to come up with that shitty personal attack?

Really? Do you still think its magic that you can press keys and words show up on the internet?

 

[Zargon]

Those live fire tests (at least in NC) are meant to address more than accuracy and also recognize that not every one is showing up with a full frame semi with at least a 4" barrel. They also limit the rounds to 5 as many show up with 5 shot revolvers. I showed up with my S&W J Frame .38. Which at double action only and a short barrel is a challenge to shoot accurate when you first get it( I had plenty of practice). So if you showed up and had never really put more than a few rounds through that gun, then the distances could be a challenge for you. More importantly, the NC class live fire was focused more on safety. You would fail if you mishandled the firearm in any way deemed inappropriate by the instructor and range officer. I've been through three concealed carry classes in three states now, and NC was the only one with live fire required.

we have live fire, but IL has the strictest requirements of any state for training

 

[rudeguy]

we have live fire, but IL has the strictest requirements of any state for training

Ours is very simple: 100 rounds down range at varying distance and positions. Reloads are required.

Accuracy is not part of the test. The reasoning behind the practice is to make sure you are safe. You know how to treat a loaded weapon, you know how to aim, you know how to fire. Its 100% safety focused vs accuracy.

I'm sure if you were shooting rounds into the floor or the wall, they would fail you. We didn't have anything close to that. The worst in my class was a chick who shot low, real low. She put 5 rounds into the target's crotch. After the instructor stopped laughing, he said "Well I'm pretty sure that would stop the threat!"

 

[Nebor]

Everyone knows that law. If they truly hassle you about it, just say you're on your way to xyz in a different county... One more thing, if you have a tx chl but aren't carrying, you still have to inform the officer. If they run your license and find out about the chl that way, D:

The shooting test is easy unless you've never shot a gun before and definitely shouldn't possess one.

The penalty for "failure to inform" was stripped out of Texas law several years ago. So while the duty to inform is still codified in Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE, the law has no teeth. It's no longer a class C misdemeanor as it originally was.

When an officer runs your DL through TLETS it's going to show you have a CHL. There's no downside to informing the officer that you have CHL, whether you're carrying a firearm or not. If you're not licensed, but carrying a weapon in the car, I wouldn't mention it unless specifically asked, or you're concerned that it will come into view during the traffic stop. Some dummies will shout "I've got a gun under the seat" as soon as you walk up, which puts everyone on edge.

 

[highland145]

The penalty for "failure to inform" was stripped out of Texas law several years ago. So while the duty to inform is still codified in Sec. 411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE, the law has no teeth. It's no longer a class C misdemeanor as it originally was.

When an officer runs your DL through TLETS it's going to show you have a CHL. There's no downside to informing the officer that you have CHL, whether you're carrying a firearm or not. If you're not licensed, but carrying a weapon in the car, I wouldn't mention it unless specifically asked, or you're concerned that it will come into view during the traffic stop. Some dummies will shout "I've got a gun under the seat" as soon as you walk up, which puts everyone on edge.

Teeth or not, that's still screwed up. If you're not carrying at the time, why should they give a rat's ass if you have a permit?

 

[irishScott]

Most shall-issue states have some mandated training IIRC, and most gun owners don't have an issue with it.

Hell even the NRA doesn't have an issue with it and in fact recommends training. There are a few fringe radicals who bitch, but even they've got much bigger fish to fry.

 

[rudeguy]

Most shall-issue states have some mandated training IIRC, and most gun owners don't have an issue with it.

Hell even the NRA doesn't have an issue with it and in fact recommends training. There are a few fringe radicals who bitch, but even they've got much bigger fish to fry.

I fully support the training. The issue is going to be going from not requiring it to requiring it. I don't know anyone who has taken that kind of training and regretted it but I know plenty who have not taken it and think they know enough without it.

This training is usually the best $100-$200 you will ever spend. The state needs to work on promoting the value of the training and not try to just force it on people. Or if they really want to make this happen, give 100 rounds of ammo subsidy to those who take the class.

 

[Nebor]

Teeth or not, that's still screwed up. If you're not carrying at the time, why should they give a rat's ass if you have a permit?

If you don't tell them you have a permit, it'll be pulled up in TLETS when they run your license. Then they're wondering if you have a gun but didn't tell them. Why didn't you tell them? Much better to be up front with your license, which other than a badge or a military ID, is your best chance of getting out of a ticket anyway.

 

[irishScott]

I fully support the training. The issue is going to be going from not requiring it to requiring it. I don't know anyone who has taken that kind of training and regretted it but I know plenty who have not taken it and think they know enough without it.

This training is usually the best $100-$200 you will ever spend. The state needs to work on promoting the value of the training and not try to just force it on people. Or if they really want to make this happen, give 100 rounds of ammo subsidy to those who take the class.

Indeed. Also aside from basic proficiency there should always be an extended legal discussion about how and when to use your gun down to local laws and the laws of other states. Would avoid situations like that PA lady who crossed into New Jersey with her unrecognized permit.

 

[rudeguy]

Indeed. Also aside from basic proficiency there should always be an extended legal discussion about how and when to use your gun down to local laws and the laws of other states. Would avoid situations like that PA lady who crossed into New Jersey with her unrecognized permit.

That was by far the best part for me. I already know how to handle a gun safely, I know how to load and unload a gun, I know how to store a gun, I know how to shoot a gun but the lawyer was great. I learned so much about how our law works and the thinking behind it. Since we don't have a ton of case law here, knowing the spirit of the law is really important.

But in my class there were people who didn't understand how important safety was or other things. I was happy to sit through a couple hours of refresher knowing that other people were learning things that could help save lives.

 

[Fern]

The accuracy test is pretty laughable though....

The ranges/number of shots are:
20 shots at 5 yards
20 shots at 10 yards
10 shots at 15 yards

You have to be a total idiot to fail this portion.....

Strange?

Ours started at 3yds...:\
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Yeah, I've taken the NC class, but it was about 15 yrs ago. The law's changed significantly since then.

But as for distance, IIRC we didn't shoot near as far spacejamz's class. Again IIRC, we had legal problems shooting somebody out that far. Some guy 40'-50' away does NOT pose an imminent threat. (At that time in NC we had an obligation to flee etc.)

We shot from one distance, and again rather short IIRC. The real point was that the instructor(s) kept your target and it was done in case you fired your weapon and had to go to court. The target was to be submitted as evidence that you had demonstrated proficiency. I.e., you weren't a menace by virtue of being a crappy shot.

We were also commanded to shot for center mass, no head shots. The idea being a target with it's 'face' shot out made you look like a homicidal maniac in court.

Fern

 

[highland145]

If you don't tell them you have a permit, it'll be pulled up in TLETS when they run your license. Then they're wondering if you have a gun but didn't tell them. Why didn't you tell them? Much better to be up front with your license, which other than a badge or a military ID, is your best chance of getting out of a ticket anyway.

If I'm not carrying, it should be none of their business. If I'm a bad guy, I probably won't have a permit but might have a gun. The cops are in much more danger from the bad guy. It almost reeks of "show me your papers."

 

[rudeguy]

If I'm not carrying, it should be none of their business. If I'm a bad guy, I probably won't have a permit but might have a gun. The cops are in much more danger from the bad guy. It almost reeks of "show me your papers."

When we first got CPL, the police computers were only able to flag and alert for wanted felons. So the cop swiped your license and they get big warnings on their screen and you would eat pavement. Since then they fixed it and they know you are a good guy.

So years ago every disclosed even if they weren't carrying. Now some still do out of habit or bad information.

 

[shortylickens]

That was by far the best part for me. I already know how to handle a gun safely, I know how to load and unload a gun, I know how to store a gun, I know how to shoot a gun but the lawyer was great. I learned so much about how our law works and the thinking behind it. Since we don't have a ton of case law here, knowing the spirit of the law is really important.

But in my class there were people who didn't understand how important safety was or other things. I was happy to sit through a couple hours of refresher knowing that other people were learning things that could help save lives.

It never hurts to have a safety refresher.

In fact I think our gun club is doing one this summer.

 

[highland145]

When we first got CPL, the police computers were only able to flag and alert for wanted felons. So the cop swiped your license and they get big warnings on their screen and you would eat pavement. Since then they fixed it and they know you are a good guy.

So years ago every disclosed even if they weren't carrying. Now some still do out of habit or bad information.

Still happens. Last week, a friend got stopped in podunk GA by 2 idiots. Pulls his DL and the cop sees his cwp underneath..."He's got a gun, he's got a gun!" Dumb assholes. He didn't even have one in the vehicle.

 

[WackyDan]

If I'm not carrying, it should be none of their business. If I'm a bad guy, I probably won't have a permit but might have a gun. The cops are in much more danger from the bad guy. It almost reeks of "show me your papers."

They see that same info on you here in NC if you are a NC resident. You are only obligated to inform them you are carrying as a permit holder if you are actually carrying. This is due to the statutes on concealed carry here in NC (and many states) that you must disclose if you are carrying to police ONLY if you are being approached by or approaching police on official business... ie; traffic stop. Otherwise, they are free to ask you if you are carrying because they've run your license.

I have a hard time believing that any state has a law that stipulates a carry permit holder must notify an officer they are NOT carrying before any inquiry by the LEO... But hey, I guess anything is possible.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If you don't tell them you have a permit, it'll be pulled up in TLETS when they run your license. Then they're wondering if you have a gun but didn't tell them. Why didn't you tell them? Much better to be up front with your license, which other than a badge or a military ID, is your best chance of getting out of a ticket anyway.

I've never had an issue when informing the officer I have a CHL whether I'm carrying or not. Both times I was pulled over I received a warning, one verbal and the other one written. 74mph in a 65mph zone (written warning) and 78mph in a 65mph zone (verbal warning), the later I didn't realize the speed limit had dropped from 75mph to 65mph (near Winnie, TX).

 

[piasabird]

I think it is kind of stupid to give someone a weapon like a colt .45 and expect someone to shoot it if they have never held a loaded gun. I shot a 44 magnum once and it was shooting a canon. I would start people off with something a little lighter like a ruger .22 with a bull barrel. I think the ability to shoot and try different firearms might be a good idea. I shot rifles in the military in the 70's and 80's and the Military 5.56 rifle round did not present much of a kick at all due to the recoil spring. Not bad for a weapon that can shoot through both sides of a steel ammo can and hit a target a mile away.

 

[WackyDan]

I think it is kind of stupid to give someone a weapon like a colt .45 and expect someone to shoot it if they have never held a loaded gun. I shot a 44 magnum once and it was shooting a canon. I would start people off with something a little lighter like a ruger .22 with a bull barrel. I think the ability to shoot and try different firearms might be a good idea. I shot rifles in the military in the 70's and 80's and the Military 5.56 rifle round did not present much of a kick at all due to the recoil spring. Not bad for a weapon that can shoot through both sides of a steel ammo can and hit a target a mile away.

.45 is a pussy cat compared to the .44 Mag and not really an issue for most to fire. Not too much more recoil than a 9mm. Please remember, caliber has nothing to do with power generally.

 

[rudeguy]

I think it is kind of stupid to give someone a weapon like a colt .45 and expect someone to shoot it if they have never held a loaded gun. I shot a 44 magnum once and it was shooting a canon. I would start people off with something a little lighter like a ruger .22 with a bull barrel. I think the ability to shoot and try different firearms might be a good idea. I shot rifles in the military in the 70's and 80's and the Military 5.56 rifle round did not present much of a kick at all due to the recoil spring. Not bad for a weapon that can shoot through both sides of a steel ammo can and hit a target a mile away.

You truly are a moron.

Why would you start someone out on a gun with no recoil? That's only going to allow them to form bad habits. I'd recommend a single action .44 mag. That way you learn how to shoot, not anticipate recoil and you damn sure won't touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot.