Basic classes to carry guns?

[RickBean]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/04/indiana-bill-would-require-basic-class-to-carry-gun/22887155/
Very interesting article about regulations and control on guns which will help us to decrease number of crimes comitted with guns.
But only one question... Again.
Why professional firearms instructor does not support the bill because he said training should be an individual choice and not a government requirement?
Why somebody is against simplest trainings? Individual choice? Wtf? I'm sure that only 1 from 10 will "choose" this course by himself, what for?

 

[Blanky]

Is there any proof this increases safety? I presume so, but it's worth knowing, if it's to be put to law. Otherwise, it makes sense.

 

[highland145]

Very interesting article about regulations and control on guns which will help us to decrease number of crimes comitted with guns.

Link to article?

Democratic Sen. Jean Breaux authored a bill that would require applicants for a license to carry to first complete at least eight hours of classes from a certified firearms instructor. Breaux said doing so is a "common-sense practice."

We already have that for a carry permit.

 

[Triumph]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/02/04/indiana-bill-would-require-basic-class-to-carry-gun/22887155/
Very interesting article about regulations and control on guns which will help us to decrease number of crimes comitted with guns.
But only one question... Again.
Why professional firearms instructor does not support the bill because he said training should be an individual choice and not a government requirement?
Why somebody is against simplest trainings? Individual choice? Wtf? I'm sure that only 1 from 10 will "choose" this course by himself, what for?

Do you live in Indiana? If not, why concern yourself with what is going on in their state?

 

[Genx87]

Link to article?

We already have that for a carry permit.

But it is "common sense"!

 

[rudeguy]

Do you live in Indiana? If not, why concern yourself with what is going on in their state?

Because he's an RBM troll who posts stupid shit he thinks will get people worked up.

Indiana is one of the few states where you don't need training classes to get a CPL. I personally think the classes are a good idea and I fully support them but I don't live in Indiana, so my opinion means nothing.

No rage to see here. Not even a story. OP is just being a moron yet again.

 

[highland145]

But it is "common sense"!

Well, shit. Us rednecks ain't never been accused of that before.

 

[PliotronX]

Classes to carry a gun are entirely different from classes to own a gun. In Colorado, CCW endorsements from instructors are required before the local sheriff will issue a permit and I am okay with that idea. The classes are fantastic: everyone has usually had some form of training or a lot of practice with their legally owned firearms. People from all walks of life attend and all kinds of talk about scenarios where concealed carry would be good or bad plans. As long as the sheriff's policy is shall-issue rather than elitist "shall-only-issue-to-politicians-and-the-wealthy" policies in say California, that is perfectly fine. The notion that these classes reduce crime is preposterous. They just enhance public safety.

 

[Zargon]

Link to article?

We already have that for a carry permit.

apparently Indiana doesn't

 

[rudeguy]

Classes to carry a gun are entirely different from classes to own a gun. In Colorado, CCW endorsements from instructors are required before the local sheriff will issue a permit and I am okay with that idea. The classes are fantastic: everyone has usually had some form of training or a lot of practice with their legally owned firearms. People from all walks of life attend and all kinds of talk about scenarios where concealed carry would be good or bad plans. As long as the sheriff's policy is shall-issue rather than elitist "shall-only-issue-to-politicians-and-the-wealthy" policies in say California, that is perfectly fine. The notion that these classes reduce crime is preposterous. They just enhance public safety.

Well said and I totally agree with you.

My CPL class taught me way more than I ever thought it could. I was thinking we'd fire off a few hundred rounds, smoke some cigs, then take a test. It was 6 hours of classroom, 1 hour on the range (somewhere around there) and then a test. We even had one of the top self defense lawyers in the state come into the class and give us legal advice. It was great bouncing questions off someone who knew the laws and why they were laws.

I totally support the classes. I just don't know if its the government's place to mandate them. But I guess that's why we elect people to vote instead of listening to people on the internet.

 

[highland145]

apparently Indiana doesn't

So SC has more common sense that Indiana....:hmm: Some would disagree.

 

[mizzou]

gun carry training neeeeds scenarios where you may actually have to use self defense. Plinking a .22lr at a paper target and having a class on the law for 4 itself is not enough. People dont know their rights well enough about when they can shoot someone or not.

 

[piasabird]

In St. Louis, MO there is a place that advertises on 97.1FM talk radio, a mostly conservative station. They say some of the instructors are ex Navy Seals. They let people take the same classes as police and military personnel would take.

http://teamspartan.com/

 

[rudeguy]

In St. Louis, MO there is a place that advertises on 97.1FM talk radio, a mostly conservative station. They say some of the instructors are ex Navy Seals. They let people take the same classes as police and military personnel would take.

http://teamspartan.com/

ok?

 

[Kadarin]

Taking gun training classes is an excellent idea if you're interested at all in firearms.

As a vector for increasing gun control, however, the government could start requiring that you obtain $CERTIFICATION prior to owning a firearm, and then gradually make that certification either hard to get or otherwise nonexistent. At which point, "common sense" interferes with Constitutional right.

 

[NesuD]

Well after seeing a training class in Michigan full of people who were handling a handgun for what appeared like the first time in their lives I think it is advisable to require that they prove they can safely handle the weapon. The level of stupid in that class was seriously epic. The concept of always having the weapon pointed in a safe direction like down seemed beyond their comprehension. Do you want to know what a large number of women do when they fire a handgun for the first time in their lives? They scream and drop the gun. I am all for a persons right to carry and I do myself every day but there is also a responsibility that goes with that right. CPL license holders have an obligation to be masters of their weapons in both safety practices and their use. The deadly nature of the weapons demands this. In recent months we have seen at least 2 cases in the news of toddlers fishing around in mommies purse and discharging a handgun resulting in a death and 2 serious injuries. I would say that these mommies safety training was lacking. Any cpl training worth it salt will tell you that a purse is always the worst place for a woman to conceal a weapon. Keeping your weapon in a hot state with an easily defeated safety mechanism in reach of a toddler? Seriously! and these women supposedly had basic training. See how easy it is for stupid to take over even in those that had training. Why anyone would not think basic safety training is not a good idea is beyond me.

 

[Fern]

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We already have that for a carry permit.

Same here. I thought it was common.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Is there any proof this increases safety? I presume so, but it's worth knowing, if it's to be put to law. Otherwise, it makes sense.

Well, there is some safety instruction. But that's not really the point.

The point is understanding your state's law on when and how you are legally allowed to use your weapon in self defense.

Advertising that you class is staffed by Navy SEALs etc strikes me as stupid. You're not being trained to conduct covert ops and to kill the max number of opponents. You do need to be proficient in handling and use of your weapon, but the law is more important. I'd rather be trained by a lawyer than a SEAL.

Fern

 

[shortylickens]

I been thru plenty of civilian training and military training, and yes I think some basic firearms knowledge should be common to everyone. Teach it in junior high right after sex ed.

 

[smackababy]

Basic classes? As long as it is only upper middle and above, I'm okay with class based gun ownership. It is those poor and middle class people that commit all the crime anyway.

 

[highland145]

Same here. I thought it was common.

Fern

GA (next door) doesn't so SC and GA got into a pissing match about reciprosity so I had to get a NH cwp to be able to carry over there.

 

[Bock]

I live in TX, here, you need to have a CHL in order to carry. You can own a handgun w/o a CHL but not conceal carry.

Now as for the CHL---
You have to pass a range/shooting accuracy test. 3 different ranges @ 70% accuracy.
Long day in class going over handgun handling, non violent discourse, use of force.

 

[Fenixgoon]

i see no issue with classes for carry permits.

for just plain old ownership, i would say it's advisable but not necessarily required.

 

[spacejamz]

I live in TX, here, you need to have a CHL in order to carry. You can own a handgun w/o a CHL but not conceal carry.

Now as for the CHL---
You have to pass a range/shooting accuracy test. 3 different ranges @ 70% accuracy.
Long day in class going over handgun handling, non violent discourse, use of force.

The accuracy test is pretty laughable though....

The ranges/number of shots are:
20 shots at 5 yards
20 shots at 10 yards
10 shots at 15 yards

You have to be a total idiot to fail this portion.....

 

[spacejamz]

I live in TX, here, you need to have a CHL in order to carry. You can own a handgun w/o a CHL but not conceal carry.

Now as for the CHL---
You have to pass a range/shooting accuracy test. 3 different ranges @ 70% accuracy.
Long day in class going over handgun handling, non violent discourse, use of force.

You can keep a handgun in your car (as long as it is out of sight) even if you don't have a CHL as part of the castle doctrine....

however, I would hate to get into a pissing contest with a cop over that who may not know that law...