baseball closer most overrated position?

[Kev]

every position in baseball is overrated because baseball sucks ass

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Kev
every position in baseball is overrated because baseball sucks ass

wow, that was a very well informed comment.

 

[Matt2]

Originally posted by: Kev
every position in baseball is overrated because baseball sucks ass

you suck ass :|

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: coldcut
Who thinks baseball closers are the most overrated position? Nothing special, except get three outs with nobody on base, up to 3 runs ahead, except some make much money as the starters.

"baseball closer most overrated position?"
Manager

 

[JawaJedi]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: Fausto1

I guess Gagne would have a lot more saves if the Dodgers were in the lead more often eh?

He would if idiot management hadn't shipped away Sheff for a couple warm bodies. I used to be a Dodgers fan, but in a cynical way, I'm glad that mistake is coming back to haunt them now.

Well Odalis Perez isn't exactly a "warm body." Though the Dodgers were still ripped off and Shawn Green is a wuss.

 

[notfred]

missionary is the most overrated position.

 

[jurzdevil]

Originally posted by: notfred
missionary is the most overrated position.

HAHAHHAHAHA




seriously though...baseball is the worst sport ever.

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: jurzdevil
seriously though...baseball is the worst sport ever.

Then why would you ever click on a thread topic that begins with "baseball closer..."?

 

[RabidMongoose]

The 'save' is a very overrated 'statistic', much like RBIs.

So, yes, closers are overrated in baseball. A good bullpen is important. However, a closer is an overrated role.

 

[pyonir]

Take a look at the world series champs in the last 10 years. Two closers were named MVP of the series (Wetteland and Rivera). The Yankees had Rivera, the other closers in those years were, Percival, Rob Nen, Mark Wholhers and Duane Ward (who all had outstanding seasons as closers). The exception being BK Kim of the Dbacks, I would say closers are pretty damned important and hardly an overrated role.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Naming the MVP doesn't mean much. That just says that closers are overrated to those that believe they are.

Giving a closer $8 million is overrating closers. Saves are one of the most overrated stats in baseball and that's a position held by most people involved in sabermetrics. The job of a closer probably has less impact on a team's production than a batter or a starting pitcher.

Hell, a lot of closers are failed/injured starting pitchers. Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

 

[Soccer55]

I don't think that closers are overrated. A closer usually comes into a game with the responsibility of maintaining the lead. You lose the lead, and you may very well lose the game. In addition, as others have said, they come to the mound straight from warming up in the bullpen and are expected to produce. There is not much room for error, so they have no time to try to establish any sort of rhythm during the game itself. I think it's a tough position. Overpaid, maybe some are.....overrated, not in the least. Especially someone like Billy Wagner who comes into a game bringing some heat (100+ mph) and just blows it by people.

-Tom

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Giving a closer $8 million is overrating closers.

IMO, that should be edited to say: Giving an athlete $8 million is overrating athletes. I mean, seriously.....what does any athlete need with $8 million that can't be done with $2-3 million or even $1 million? Aside from having 859 cars and 5 different houses. That loot would be better off in the hands of a charity or something like that.

Just my $.02

-Tom

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
you don't seem to know much about baseball.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: pyonir
Watch Eric Gagne...then come back and report your findings.

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Giving a closer $8 million is overrating closers.

IMO, that should be edited to say: Giving an athlete $8 million is overrating athletes. I mean, seriously.....what does any athlete need with $8 million that can't be done with $2-3 million or even $1 million? Aside from having 859 cars and 5 different houses. That loot would be better off in the hands of a charity or something like that.

Just my $.02

-Tom

If someone gave you 8 million dollars to play baseball would you say no?

then shut up and stop b1tching

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

If someone gave you 8 million dollars to play baseball would you say no?

then shut up and stop b1tching

Yes, I would say no. And I will preempt the "you say this now, but if it really happened, you wouldn't turn it down" garbage by saying that I most certainly would due to the fact that it's a ridiculous amount of money to be paying any single person to do anything.....especially to play sports. What could I do with $8 million that I couldn't do with less? Put it in a bank account and watch it gain interest? IMO, athletes in general are overpaid. You can't tell me that A-Rod getting $25 million/yr or Sosa getting $16 million/yr or Bonds getting $15.5 million/yr is not being overpaid.

-Tom

 

[RabidMongoose]

All of these people essentially saying 'you don't know anything about baseball' just because the original poster said closers are overrated are being incredibly ignorant. These are probably the same types of people that say 'RBIS are the most important stat man!!!1!!' Saying the value of a closer is overrated is a very valid and controversial baseball topic debated by many baseball writers.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

Citing one example doesn't really mean much in proving or disproving a topic. And that doesn't really prove anything. If anything, it says that closers are overrated.

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

Citing one example doesn't really mean much in proving or disproving a topic. And that doesn't really prove anything. If anything, it says that closers are overrated.

I guess I was trying to point out that although it is "pitching one inning", it is definitely not as easy as it may look. It just so happens he was the first example I thought of. The nasty closers like Smoltz, Wagner, and Gagne just make it look easy.

-Tom

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
All of these people essentially saying 'you don't know anything about baseball' just because the original poster said closers are overrated are being incredibly ignorant. These are probably the same types of people that say 'RBIS are the most important stat man!!!1!!' Saying the value of a closer is overrated is a very valid and controversial baseball topic debated by many baseball writers.

Nope, but I have read colcut's posts before and know he doesn't know his ass from his head. Secondly, I don't let writers or analyst determine my thinking. The closer is an important position, and to me they are not overpaid.

 

[brunswickite]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

If someone gave you 8 million dollars to play baseball would you say no?

then shut up and stop b1tching

Yes, I would say no. And I will preempt the "you say this now, but if it really happened, you wouldn't turn it down" garbage by saying that I most certainly would due to the fact that it's a ridiculous amount of money to be paying any single person to do anything.....especially to play sports. What could I do with $8 million that I couldn't do with less? Put it in a bank account and watch it gain interest? IMO, athletes in general are overpaid. You can't tell me that A-Rod getting $25 million/yr or Sosa getting $16 million/yr or Bonds getting $15.5 million/yr is not being overpaid.

-Tom

I am not saying athletes are not overpaid, i am just saying that if someone was writing you a check for 10 million dollars to play baseball, you would not turn it down.... (you could donate 9 million of it if you like), but you would not turn it down

 

[Soccer55]

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

If someone gave you 8 million dollars to play baseball would you say no?

then shut up and stop b1tching

Yes, I would say no. And I will preempt the "you say this now, but if it really happened, you wouldn't turn it down" garbage by saying that I most certainly would due to the fact that it's a ridiculous amount of money to be paying any single person to do anything.....especially to play sports. What could I do with $8 million that I couldn't do with less? Put it in a bank account and watch it gain interest? IMO, athletes in general are overpaid. You can't tell me that A-Rod getting $25 million/yr or Sosa getting $16 million/yr or Bonds getting $15.5 million/yr is not being overpaid.

-Tom

I am not saying athletes are not overpaid, i am just saying that if someone was writing you a check for 10 million dollars to play baseball, you would not turn it down.... (you could donate 9 million of it if you like), but you would not turn it down

Ah, ok. That changes things.....point taken.

-Tom

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: brunswickite

Originally posted by: Soccer55

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Pitching one inning isn't that great of an accomplishment. A bullpen is important - but putting so much focus on one man being a closer (and overpaying them) is overrated.

Tell that to Byun-Hyun Kim. Poor kid came into games 5 and 6 of the World Series a couple of years ago to close them out and win the title for his team and both times he left with a loss due to a game winning home run.

If someone gave you 8 million dollars to play baseball would you say no?

then shut up and stop b1tching

Yes, I would say no. And I will preempt the "you say this now, but if it really happened, you wouldn't turn it down" garbage by saying that I most certainly would due to the fact that it's a ridiculous amount of money to be paying any single person to do anything.....especially to play sports. What could I do with $8 million that I couldn't do with less? Put it in a bank account and watch it gain interest? IMO, athletes in general are overpaid. You can't tell me that A-Rod getting $25 million/yr or Sosa getting $16 million/yr or Bonds getting $15.5 million/yr is not being overpaid.

-Tom

I am not saying athletes are not overpaid, i am just saying that if someone was writing you a check for 10 million dollars to play baseball, you would not turn it down.... (you could donate 9 million of it if you like), but you would not turn it down

Ah, ok. That changes things.....point taken.

-Tom

If you think they are overpaid and if you dont like what they are getting paid, then dont go to the games, dont buy the aparral(sp?), and dont watch the games on TV. If everyone does this I doubt if they would be getting paid as much

 

[Soccer55]

If you dont like what they are getting paid, then dont go to the games, dont buy the aparral(sp?), and dont watch the games on TV. If everyone does this I doubt if they would be getting paid as much

Nah, they would just raise ticket prices I actually couldn't go to many games even if I wanted to. Nearest teams are Yanks/Mets at around 4.5 hours away. The only reason I actually keep up on baseball these days is because I need to finish higher in the standings than my friend in our fantasy baseball league.

-Tom