Barry Ritholtz -- I Like this guy.

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Kwatt

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Here is someone who feels like I do.

The economy is bad and looks like it is not getting better real soon.
Lets let the FDIC take over these mega banks and write off all the toxic debt.
They can then hire people who will not be getting 100' of millions in bonus's till after the first year if they show a profit. Cut out the legacy bonus's!

I would rather use tax dollars to restart them than to support the bad debt.
The debt holders made a bad choice. If I invest in a company and it fails. I lose my money. Why do all the supposed free marketers now beg for gov. $ intervention. Is it a free market or not? Sounds like it is a free market for profits and not for loses.


They want to eat the cake, outsource the baker, sell the oven and let the taxpayer buy them another one.. I'm calling BS.


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Get Long Torches & Pitchforks: Bailouts "Absolutely Asinine," Ritholtz Says
Posted Mar 10, 2009 11:15am EDT by Aaron Task in Newsmakers, Recession, Banking
Related: C, AIG, BAC, XLF, SKF, ^GSPC, ^DJI

With Ben Bernanke testifying about the need for regulatory overhaul while the government is reportedly considering yet another bailout package for Citigroup, one question remains front and center: What to do with ailing banks?

Barry Ritholtz, CEO of Fusion IQ, says the current bailout bonanza is "absolutely asinine" and believes there's no good reason the U.S. government should be rescuing the debt holders and counterparties of firms like AIG and Citigroup.

"Why do you and I as taxpayers have to make good some bet that Goldman or Deutsche Bank [or Pimco] made?," he asks. "When you lend money to an insolvent institution, you're not supposed to be made whole."

Ritholtz, author of The Big Picture Blog and the forthcoming Bailout Nation, believes the answer lies in good old-fashioned FDIC mandated receivership, which is another way of saying (fully) nationalize insolvent banks. (Full disclosure: I am collaborating with Ritholtz on his book and being paid for my efforts.)

While painful at the onset - for debt and shareholders alike - such a process would ultimately result in "a reboot - a fresh start" for companies like Citigroup, AIG and Bank of America, says Ritholtz. "Just get them out from under all of the horrific decisions their inept and incompetent management has made over the past decade."

From Nouriel Roubini to Paul Krugman, Alan Greenspan and a rising number of Republican Senators, momentum appears to be swinging toward that outcome.

Ritholtz predicts Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will eventually abandon his current strategy of trying to keep zombie banks alive by any means possible.

If not, "I wan to get long torches and pitchforks because eventually the taxpayer is going to figure out how badly they're getting screwed," he says - only half-jokingly.



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EDIT for clarification: The free marketers I am talking about are the ones taking the bailout money. I did not mean true free marketers.

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chess9

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Originally posted by: Kwatt
Here is someone who feels like I do.

The economy is bad and looks like it is not getting better real soon.
Lets let the FDIC take over these mega banks and write off all the toxic debt.
They can then hire people who will not be getting 100' of millions in bonus's till after the first year if they show a profit. Cut out the legacy bonus's!

I would rather use tax dollars to restart them than to support the bad debt.
The debt holders made a bad choice. If I invest in a company and it fails. I lose my money. Why do all the supposed free marketers now beg for gov. $ intervention. Is it a free market or not? Sounds like it is a free market for profits and not for loses.


They want to eat the cake, outsource the baker, sell the oven and let the taxpayer buy them another one.. I'm calling BS.


video


Get Long Torches & Pitchforks: Bailouts "Absolutely Asinine," Ritholtz Says
Posted Mar 10, 2009 11:15am EDT by Aaron Task in Newsmakers, Recession, Banking
Related: C, AIG, BAC, XLF, SKF, ^GSPC, ^DJI

With Ben Bernanke testifying about the need for regulatory overhaul while the government is reportedly considering yet another bailout package for Citigroup, one question remains front and center: What to do with ailing banks?

Barry Ritholtz, CEO of Fusion IQ, says the current bailout bonanza is "absolutely asinine" and believes there's no good reason the U.S. government should be rescuing the debt holders and counterparties of firms like AIG and Citigroup.

"Why do you and I as taxpayers have to make good some bet that Goldman or Deutsche Bank [or Pimco] made?," he asks. "When you lend money to an insolvent institution, you're not supposed to be made whole."

Ritholtz, author of The Big Picture Blog and the forthcoming Bailout Nation, believes the answer lies in good old-fashioned FDIC mandated receivership, which is another way of saying (fully) nationalize insolvent banks. (Full disclosure: I am collaborating with Ritholtz on his book and being paid for my efforts.)

While painful at the onset - for debt and shareholders alike - such a process would ultimately result in "a reboot - a fresh start" for companies like Citigroup, AIG and Bank of America, says Ritholtz. "Just get them out from under all of the horrific decisions their inept and incompetent management has made over the past decade."

From Nouriel Roubini to Paul Krugman, Alan Greenspan and a rising number of Republican Senators, momentum appears to be swinging toward that outcome.

Ritholtz predicts Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will eventually abandon his current strategy of trying to keep zombie banks alive by any means possible.

If not, "I wan to get long torches and pitchforks because eventually the taxpayer is going to figure out how badly they're getting screwed," he says - only half-jokingly.



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I do not understand bailing out the banks. If Romania goes belly up, I'm sorry, but we didn't make their dumb bankers buy our derivatives. Same for Iceland. Who owns Iceland these days? Not them! :)

Furthermore, we are shoveling good money after bad. Every week it's someone else. The politicians are only demonstrating how extensively they've been BOUGHT and co-opted.

-Robert

 

Lemon law

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Long torches and pitchforks are fine for chasing Frankenstein monsters, once the monsters are cornered, its time for the tar, feathers, and a rail to escort them out of town.

Why do we trust idiots like Bernanke or Hank the crank Paulson to fix it, when they were asleep at the switch when the system was being broken? All they advocate is to leave no Frankenstien monster banker behind
in some cush bailout?

We need the common sense wisdom, go to jail, straight to jail for grand theft, do not pass go, and do not receive any bonuses.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Kwatt
Why do all the supposed free marketers now beg for gov. $ intervention.

Which free marketers are supporting the bailouts? Not me. Not any of the free marketers I know.

Stop spreading FUD.
 

Kwatt

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Kwatt
Why do all the supposed free marketers now beg for gov. $ intervention.

Which free marketers are supporting the bailouts? Not me. Not any of the free marketers I know.

Stop spreading FUD.


The companies taking the money are they not free marketers?
Have they been begging for gov. regulation?
If they have been I stand corrected.

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EDIT for clarification: The free marketers i am talking about are the ones taking the bailout money. I will add this to the Org. Post.

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Lemon law

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Kwatt
Why do all the supposed free marketers now beg for gov. $ intervention.

Which free marketers are supporting the bailouts? Not me. Not any of the free marketers I know.

Stop spreading FUD.
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Bobber asks," Which free marketers are supporting the bailouts? Not me. Not any of the free marketers I know.

Stop spreading FUD.

In case you have not noticed Bobber, Hank the crank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and all those bankers screaming bail me out were free marketeers yesterday. And to prove they are still ideologically pure, they now support the idea of their own bail out, but when they have some poor smuck in an ajustable rate mortgage, they refuse to bail that smuck out by restructuring the mortgage.

And for that matter, when wall street was getting rich, there was a deafening silence from Bobber's real free marketeers like Limbaugh warning of the dangers.

In short Bobber, quit spreading unreality. If we can't learn the real cause, we can learn no lessons to prevent this in the future.

Face the facts, free marketeers got everything they wanted from government in the past eight years and have now laid a giant egg.
 

BoberFett

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If they free market is about government non-intervention, and these people are asking for government money, then by definition they are not free marketers. A true free marketer will take his lumps when the chips are down because he reaped the rewards while things are up.

What's so hard to understand? Why are you so thick headed? Dropped as a baby?
 

StageLeft

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I find it unfortunate that most of the arguments against this are either very simple and extremely, unapologetically short-sighted (e.g. times are tough now you need to help us keep our job, blah blah), or rely on excess obfuscation and only experts with their expert analysis can offer any idea as to why the bailouts should continue and thus they just must be trusted (e.g. endless tirades with multi-page sh*t, probably the same kind of stuff that was used to defend why there was no housing bubble, CDSs are just fine and the DOW was cheap when it dropped to 12k). Common sense and a long history of US prosperity speaks against the substantial bailouts. Maybe common sense is wrong this time. Or maybe not.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why do we trust idiots like Bernanke or Hank the crank Paulson to fix it, when they were asleep at the switch when the system was being broken? All they advocate is to leave no Frankenstien monster banker behind
in some cush bailout?
From another site.

Exhibit A:
Chairman Bernanke before the Congressional Joint Economic Committee on March 28th 2007: "...the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime market seems likely to be contained."

Exhibit B:
Chairman Bernanke to Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, April 3rd, 2008: "...Much necessary economic and financial adjustment has already taken place, and monetary and fiscal policies are in train that should support a return to growth in the second half of this year and next year."

And mind you this is at at point where even a braind dead monkey knew the sh*t he was flining was going toward the fan. I remember back in Feb of last year seeing Ben as another Baghdad Bob, oblivious to everything else going on and touting the same tired sh*t. This isn't like saying Team A will beat Team B 50 to 40 and the final score is 48 to 41. This is akin to saying that a junior high football team is going to win the Superbowl next year in the middle of the damn game and the junior high football team isn't even playing.

 

chess9

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why do we trust idiots like Bernanke or Hank the crank Paulson to fix it, when they were asleep at the switch when the system was being broken? All they advocate is to leave no Frankenstien monster banker behind
in some cush bailout?
From another site.

Exhibit A:
Chairman Bernanke before the Congressional Joint Economic Committee on March 28th 2007: "...the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime market seems likely to be contained."

Exhibit B:
Chairman Bernanke to Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, April 3rd, 2008: "...Much necessary economic and financial adjustment has already taken place, and monetary and fiscal policies are in train that should support a return to growth in the second half of this year and next year."

And mind you this is at at point where even a braind dead monkey knew the sh*t he was flining was going toward the fan. I remember back in Feb of last year seeing Ben as another Baghdad Bob, oblivious to everything else going on and touting the same tired sh*t. This isn't like saying Team A will beat Team B 50 to 40 and the final score is 48 to 41. This is akin to saying that a junior high football team is going to win the Superbowl next year in the middle of the damn game and the junior high football team isn't even playing.

I say Skoorb! Brilliant finds, eh? Hoist on his own petard! Good job my boy. You will be rewarded with exactly nothing because you didn't go to Hahvad, and don't know Alan Green Spandex poisonally. ;)

This country is ruled by an oligarchy of idiots....Would someone shut off the lights when this disaster is finally run its course?

-Robert

 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: chess9
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why do we trust idiots like Bernanke or Hank the crank Paulson to fix it, when they were asleep at the switch when the system was being broken? All they advocate is to leave no Frankenstien monster banker behind
in some cush bailout?
From another site.

Exhibit A:
Chairman Bernanke before the Congressional Joint Economic Committee on March 28th 2007: "...the impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime market seems likely to be contained."

Exhibit B:
Chairman Bernanke to Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, U.S. Senate, April 3rd, 2008: "...Much necessary economic and financial adjustment has already taken place, and monetary and fiscal policies are in train that should support a return to growth in the second half of this year and next year."

And mind you this is at at point where even a braind dead monkey knew the sh*t he was flining was going toward the fan. I remember back in Feb of last year seeing Ben as another Baghdad Bob, oblivious to everything else going on and touting the same tired sh*t. This isn't like saying Team A will beat Team B 50 to 40 and the final score is 48 to 41. This is akin to saying that a junior high football team is going to win the Superbowl next year in the middle of the damn game and the junior high football team isn't even playing.

I say Skoorb! Brilliant finds, eh? Hoist on his own petard! Good job my boy. You will be rewarded with exactly nothing because you didn't go to Hahvad, and don't know Alan Green Spandex poisonally. ;)

This country is ruled by an oligarchy of idiots....Would someone shut off the lights when this disaster is finally run its course?

-Robert
Unfortunately, I ripped it right off the last post at market-ticker.derringer.net. It's in my repetoir of "doom and gloom financial porn", hee hee I made up the football analogy, though :eek:
 
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